Topic: Can god make a rock so heavy, he cannot lift it?
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #7,206
inb4
> God doesn't exist
I know.
If god exists, could he make a rock so heavy, that he would never be able to lift it?
if
> Yes
then he is not all powerful, as he cannot lift the rock.
> but he can lift it too!
Then he didn't actually create a rock he couldn't lift, as you've just said- he can lift it, therefor he is not all powerful, as he failed the task of creating the rock he could not lift
if
> no
then he is not all powerful because he cannot create such a rock.
> he can create the rock, and then increase his strength.
I am talking about a rock, that he can never lift.
> God doesn't exist
I know.
If god exists, could he make a rock so heavy, that he would never be able to lift it?
if
> Yes
then he is not all powerful, as he cannot lift the rock.
> but he can lift it too!
Then he didn't actually create a rock he couldn't lift, as you've just said- he can lift it, therefor he is not all powerful, as he failed the task of creating the rock he could not lift
if
> no
then he is not all powerful because he cannot create such a rock.
> he can create the rock, and then increase his strength.
I am talking about a rock, that he can never lift.
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #126,091
Hey it's like one disinterested faggot preaching to several other, equally disinterested faggots.
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,095
I had a super smart theology professor in elementary school, and I asked him the same question.
He told me that whatever god does it makes sense. God would never make such nonsenses like creating a rock so heavy he couldn't lift... then he asked me in comparison to what would he lift the rock, since lifting is relative... if you created a rock on earth, let's say double the size of the earth, lifting that rock would from faaaar away look like you actually lifted earth from the rock... bla bla bla...
He started debating with me to a point when he realized I don't really believe in god, and that I was just trolling... was a fun class :D
He told me that whatever god does it makes sense. God would never make such nonsenses like creating a rock so heavy he couldn't lift... then he asked me in comparison to what would he lift the rock, since lifting is relative... if you created a rock on earth, let's say double the size of the earth, lifting that rock would from faaaar away look like you actually lifted earth from the rock... bla bla bla...
He started debating with me to a point when he realized I don't really believe in god, and that I was just trolling... was a fun class :D
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,097
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
> He told me that whatever god does it makes sense. God would never make such nonsenses like creating a rock so heavy he couldn't lift... then he asked me in comparison to what would he lift the rock, since lifting is relative... if you created a rock on earth, let's say double the size of the earth, lifting that rock would from faaaar away look like you actually lifted earth from the rock... bla bla bla...
He was being pedantic. The point is not that it's a rock, or what lifting it would look like the question is: can god limit his own powers?
Rewording it: Can god create something, that he cannot destroy? Make it as abstract as you want, a new world, universe, soul, anything... Could he *will* an indestructible thing, that could not be destroyed in any way, even with his own will?
> He told me that whatever god does it makes sense. God would never make such nonsenses like creating a rock so heavy he couldn't lift... then he asked me in comparison to what would he lift the rock, since lifting is relative... if you created a rock on earth, let's say double the size of the earth, lifting that rock would from faaaar away look like you actually lifted earth from the rock... bla bla bla...
He was being pedantic. The point is not that it's a rock, or what lifting it would look like the question is: can god limit his own powers?
Rewording it: Can god create something, that he cannot destroy? Make it as abstract as you want, a new world, universe, soul, anything... Could he *will* an indestructible thing, that could not be destroyed in any way, even with his own will?
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,102
See also: Is it rape if you don’t pay a prostitute?
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,103
@126,097 (A)
I went that way too, asked then if god could build such a big wall he couldn't jump over it... etc. etc. and eventually got to the point you said... can he limit his own powers...
He said again that god never does things that make no sense etc. etc.
I went that way too, asked then if god could build such a big wall he couldn't jump over it... etc. etc. and eventually got to the point you said... can he limit his own powers...
He said again that god never does things that make no sense etc. etc.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,105
@126,102 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
It's just robbery...like reaching your hand into a vending machine to take something. Their bodies are just semen receptacles.
It's just robbery...like reaching your hand into a vending machine to take something. Their bodies are just semen receptacles.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,107
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,108
@126,103 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
A good reply:
This is not about what he would do, but about what he is able to do.
A good reply:
This is not about what he would do, but about what he is able to do.
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,112
@previous (A)
I don't believe in god, so I lol'd at him and said he believed in a pretty weak and non-omnipotent god...
I don't believe in god, so I lol'd at him and said he believed in a pretty weak and non-omnipotent god...
Syntax joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,120
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
let me hide myself in thee;
let the water and the blood,
from thy wounded side which flowed,
be of sin the double cure;
save from wrath and make me pure.
2. Not the labors of my hands
can fulfill thy law's commands;
could my zeal no respite know,
could my tears forever flow,
all for sin could not atone;
thou must save, and thou alone.
3. Nothing in my hand I bring,
simply to the cross I cling;
naked, come to thee for dress;
helpless, look to thee for grace;
foul, I to the fountain fly;
wash me, Savior, or I die.
4. While I draw this fleeting breath,
when mine eyes shall close in death,
when I soar to worlds unknown,
see thee on thy judgment throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
let me hide myself in thee.
let me hide myself in thee;
let the water and the blood,
from thy wounded side which flowed,
be of sin the double cure;
save from wrath and make me pure.
2. Not the labors of my hands
can fulfill thy law's commands;
could my zeal no respite know,
could my tears forever flow,
all for sin could not atone;
thou must save, and thou alone.
3. Nothing in my hand I bring,
simply to the cross I cling;
naked, come to thee for dress;
helpless, look to thee for grace;
foul, I to the fountain fly;
wash me, Savior, or I die.
4. While I draw this fleeting breath,
when mine eyes shall close in death,
when I soar to worlds unknown,
see thee on thy judgment throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
let me hide myself in thee.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,126
Yes.
It's logical that an all-powerful being could lay of its own omnipotence.
NEXT.
It's logical that an all-powerful being could lay of its own omnipotence.
NEXT.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,132
@126,107 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
> Are we human or are we dancer?
I am the bone of my sword
Steel is my body, Fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unknown to life, nor known to death
Have withstood pain to create many weapons
Yet those hands will never hold anything
So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works!
> Are we human or are we dancer?
I am the bone of my sword
Steel is my body, Fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unknown to life, nor known to death
Have withstood pain to create many weapons
Yet those hands will never hold anything
So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works!
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,136
But God doesn't exist. :3
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,137
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,139
yes, he did this when he became babby jesus
Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,146
@126,136 (G)
God as the one and only GOD does NOT exist
On the other hand GODS Do Exist Proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_deities
http://www.unrv.com/culture/major-roman-god-list.php
http://www.unrv.com/culture/minor-roman-god-list.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Celtic_deities
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_gods_and_goddesses
So lets not forget the Myan Gods and who the fuck just rote all those OFF for one currently useless God?
God as the one and only GOD does NOT exist
On the other hand GODS Do Exist Proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_deities
http://www.unrv.com/culture/major-roman-god-list.php
http://www.unrv.com/culture/minor-roman-god-list.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Celtic_deities
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_gods_and_goddesses
So lets not forget the Myan Gods and who the fuck just rote all those OFF for one currently useless God?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,147
No only dragonforce can make rock that heavy
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #126,151
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #126,162
Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #126,184
@126,151 (G)PARADOXES IMBEDDED IN CROSS CULTURAL CONCEPTS
Because of the concepts imbedded within Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Kabbalah and Christianity which appear to be at odds with each other; It cannot be a matter of just one God, as to believe that would be disregarding all the Gods and Goddesses of the past.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 52 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,259
@126,162 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
Could an omnipotent being create the rock, and then lift it?
If he rescinds his powers like in your example, he cannot lift it, and he fails the task.
Could an omnipotent being create the rock, and then lift it?
If he rescinds his powers like in your example, he cannot lift it, and he fails the task.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,270
@126,162 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
Could an omnipotent being create the rock, and then lift it?
If he rescinds his powers like in your example, he cannot lift it, and he fails the task.
Could an omnipotent being create the rock, and then lift it?
If he rescinds his powers like in your example, he cannot lift it, and he fails the task.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,299
@previous (A)
It's a matter of choice; I believe that I said that already.
It's a matter of choice; I believe that I said that already.
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,330
@OP
can god create a rock so heavy that you shut the fuck up?
can god create a rock so heavy that you shut the fuck up?
green joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,360
God can't get his cock up.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,361
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He already did.Ninjj joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,372
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,385
@126,299 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
So in the end he can chose to lift the rock? then he never created an unliftable rock, and so he failed.
So in the end he can chose to lift the rock? then he never created an unliftable rock, and so he failed.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 31 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,389
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,418
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,425
derp replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,432
he creates really heavy rock
he turns into weak ass human (unliftable rock)
he gets crucified, and becomes omnipotent again
NEXT QUESTION
he turns into weak ass human (unliftable rock)
he gets crucified, and becomes omnipotent again
NEXT QUESTION
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,436
@126,418 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
So you admit them, it's a paradox.
> nope
If he can't, then he is not all powerful.
So you admit them, it's a paradox.
> nope
If he can't, then he is not all powerful.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,437
@126,432 (derp)
So he finds a way to lift it, meaning he never created an unliftable rock in the first place. If he can just will himself strong enough to lift it, then it's not unliftable.
/common-sense
So he finds a way to lift it, meaning he never created an unliftable rock in the first place. If he can just will himself strong enough to lift it, then it's not unliftable.
/common-sense
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,442
@126,425 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
I don't like serious questions.
They tend to get people killed in unfunny ways.
@126,436 (A)
You're talking as if this were some kind of contest.
I don't like serious questions.
They tend to get people killed in unfunny ways.
@126,436 (A)
You're talking as if this were some kind of contest.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,444
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,465
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,543
If he's omnipotent he can ignore paradox. Your argument isn't original or clever, anyway, OP.
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Smegma !J5VkSmegmA joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,785
If you think about God as much as I do, you'll come to one - and only one - conclusion.
God is tomato paste.
God is tomato paste.
benny !ve0ggQJdqQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 48 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,870
hey op this argument is a few centuries old
Ronabe joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #126,993
> mfw op thought he was clever
:')
:')
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 43 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #127,033
No, God can't make a rock so heavy, he cannot lift it.
benny joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #127,047
i could