Topic: I know how to solve these mass shooting issues!
Green !BEERiVqJJw started this discussion 8 years ago #72,013
More guns! In fact, give everyone a gun with their McDonald's Happy Meal! That is bound to solve the problem. Don't follow the lead of European countries like Australia where there are no shootings because there are strict gun control laws.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #863,675
> only the government should have guns
lol
lol
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #863,676
> European countries like Australia
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #863,677
I think it might be too late for the USA anyway, even in the unlikely event they do tighten their gun laws. The guns are already out there, in their millions. I spoke to a Texan fellow not long ago, and he said that you don't even need to go a gun store to get one, you can go to a gun show and buy or trade for a gun there. If some lunatic is determined to go and shoot a load of people, then they can.
At this point, a lot of Americans seem to accept mass shootings as a price they pay for their guns. Sure, there's vague talk about somehow stopping mentally ill people from buying, but that is hardly going to stop every shooter.
At this point, a lot of Americans seem to accept mass shootings as a price they pay for their guns. Sure, there's vague talk about somehow stopping mentally ill people from buying, but that is hardly going to stop every shooter.
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #863,679
Meta joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,728
Eventually Americans will evolve to be resistant to bullets and take over the world.
Meta double-posted this 8 years ago, 18 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,732
@863,677 (D)> At this point, a lot of Americans seem to accept mass shootings as a price they pay for their guns. Sure, there's vague talk about somehow stopping mentally ill people from buying, but that is hardly going to stop every shooter.
How do you tell who is mentally ill? Obviously some people (the ones who get hospitalized) are. But from what I can tell most of these mass shooters are reasonably functional, quiet and withdrawn people. What do you do? "Sorry you can't buy a gun because you're not popular enough on Facebook"?
It's important to note that the murder rate in the US as a whole is about the same as it was in 1960, and less than half of what it was in much of the '80s and '90s
I'm not sure if we're having fewer total murders, but in larger shootings (this school shooting probably gets 100x more media coverage, than, say the 19 people who were murdered in Baltimore the past 30 days they were killed one or two at a time, spread out. It kind of reminds me of car vs. airplane crashes. When a car crashes, it takes out maybe a few people. When an airplane crashes everyone on board dies. An airplane crash will be worldwide news for days but a car crash doesn't make it past the back of the local newspapers.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 7 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,820
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,821
@863,732 (Meta)
excellent post indeed
if you check the stats for gun violence/murders per 100k people, states with tight control do the worst
states with open carry and lenient gun laws have a lot less gun related deaths and incidents
excellent post indeed
if you check the stats for gun violence/murders per 100k people, states with tight control do the worst
states with open carry and lenient gun laws have a lot less gun related deaths and incidents
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,832
@863,732 (Meta)
That was my point. For all of the talk about mental health being a key, some mental health ban or restriction isn’t going to change much because not all of them will get tripped up by that. Last I heard, Paddock had nothing that would have tripped a restriction like that.
I am not sure it is all that important to note that the murder rate has gone down, as the topic at hand is spree shooters, not the general murder rate. That is not a straight comparison. And it seems much like an attempt to make a bad situation seem not so bad by saying “Well, at least it’s not as bad as before. This is the best we can do.”
If you look into the numbers for just for spree shooters, then the numbers are much different, with a big rise in recent years (the appropriate chart is near the bottom):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.b72c93e29247
That was my point. For all of the talk about mental health being a key, some mental health ban or restriction isn’t going to change much because not all of them will get tripped up by that. Last I heard, Paddock had nothing that would have tripped a restriction like that.
I am not sure it is all that important to note that the murder rate has gone down, as the topic at hand is spree shooters, not the general murder rate. That is not a straight comparison. And it seems much like an attempt to make a bad situation seem not so bad by saying “Well, at least it’s not as bad as before. This is the best we can do.”
If you look into the numbers for just for spree shooters, then the numbers are much different, with a big rise in recent years (the appropriate chart is near the bottom):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.b72c93e29247
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,865
Just let everyone kill each other until there's no one left! Problem resolves itself.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 5 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,918
> ban guns owned by the diagnosed mentally ill
> the mentally ill don't get diagnosed out of fear of losing guns
> mass shooters happen still
> the mentally ill don't get diagnosed out of fear of losing guns
> mass shooters happen still
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,919
@863,675 (B)
> > only the government should have guns
> lol
are you quoting from another universe
cuz that shit wasn't in the post
> > only the government should have guns
> lol
are you quoting from another universe
cuz that shit wasn't in the post
Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,920
@863,821 (B)
> excellent post indeed
> if you check the stats for gun violence/murders per 100k people, states with tight control do the worst
> states with open carry and lenient gun laws have a lot less gun related deaths and incidents
don't fall into a logical trap -- think why would a state with a gun death problem might want to restrict them.
it's because they had a gun death problem in the first place. consider temporal order and you'll have better insight.
> excellent post indeed
> if you check the stats for gun violence/murders per 100k people, states with tight control do the worst
> states with open carry and lenient gun laws have a lot less gun related deaths and incidents
don't fall into a logical trap -- think why would a state with a gun death problem might want to restrict them.
it's because they had a gun death problem in the first place. consider temporal order and you'll have better insight.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 22 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,929
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
You also have to consider population densities and how gun violence scales up rapidly in dense areas. The west side of Chicago is not rural Montana. Montana could probably give every resident their own machine gun and not see more than a slight bump in accidental deaths. You can't do that in NYC or LA or any densely populated area without things going massively wrong. So yeah, it's nice that Wyoming has loose gun laws and few deaths, but the whole country isn't like Wyoming. And like you say, areas with stricter gun laws have those laws to address a problem in the first place.
The whole loose gun laws equal fewer deaths sounds good if you don't think about it too much, but it's a red flag that the person saying it is just parroting gun-lobby talking points they found somewhere.
You also have to consider population densities and how gun violence scales up rapidly in dense areas. The west side of Chicago is not rural Montana. Montana could probably give every resident their own machine gun and not see more than a slight bump in accidental deaths. You can't do that in NYC or LA or any densely populated area without things going massively wrong. So yeah, it's nice that Wyoming has loose gun laws and few deaths, but the whole country isn't like Wyoming. And like you say, areas with stricter gun laws have those laws to address a problem in the first place.
The whole loose gun laws equal fewer deaths sounds good if you don't think about it too much, but it's a red flag that the person saying it is just parroting gun-lobby talking points they found somewhere.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,930
indeed, it's like when you hear that a town has a weird law concerning dressing as a goat or something, and you find that it's because there was a problem with some guy dressed as a goat doing rapes or something otherwise it never would have occurred to anyone to think of such a law
(Edited 2 minutes later.)
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,935
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251527/rambo-raped-pregnant-goat-kicked-out-of-village/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251527/rambo-raped-pregnant-goat-kicked-out-of-village/
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 8 years ago, 12 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #863,939
that's the kind of thing that gives a village character