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Topic: Stoic Thought of the Day (14th January)

Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk started this discussion 8 years ago #70,699

I was reading Epictetus the other day, and I found a nice summary of the teachings of Epictetus, which can be found here.

My thoughts regarding the section arguing the weaknesses of Stoic viewpoint:

A weakness of this argument is that it excludes the possibility that some kinds of emotional attachment may be good. Epictetus argues that if we become emotionally attached to other people, then we may become anxious and concerned about their well-being, and thus we may not be able to attain serenity and tranquility of mind. However, he fails to recognize that some kinds of emotion may be good and yet may not be within our power to control. He also fails to recognize that some kinds of moral virtue, such as faithfulness, loyalty, and devotion may be forms of emotional attachment which may not be within our power to control. He maintains that if emotional attachments hinder us from attaining serenity and tranquility of mind, then we should simply reject or discard them.


If an attachment, logical or emotional, is beyond our control, then it could be considered neither good nor evil. It would merely be an impression of a reality. The problem is that this can lead to unpreferred externals in your life, and so by avoiding them you can devote yourself more faithfully to living in harmony with Nature.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 19 minutes later[^] [v] #852,463

So an attachment that is beyond our control can cause us to be concerned about things beyond our control?

Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 22 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #852,473

@previous (B)

Yes. An emotional attachment, for example devotion to your parents, can cause you to be concerned about things outside your control, for example the death of your parents.

Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #852,477

@previous (Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk)
How are these attachments more beyond our control than anything else?

Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #852,491

@previous (B)

Attachments are only in control if you permit them to be in control.

Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #852,496

@previous (Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk)
So they're not beyond our control?

Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #852,505

@previous (B)

Nothing is beyond the power of the human will when it comes to things that it can control.
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