Minichan

Pretty good! I stand to save hundreds of dollars which I will spend on goods and services which will stimulate the economy!

@previous (Meta)
How will you save money? That means that you are either a multi-billionaire, or in the upper middle class. I know that neither of those can be true.,

@837,689 (Meta)
i wonder if you'll still say stuff like that when they end up handing you a voucher for future tax rebates in exchange for what you've paid into social security. they'll be handing us early 2000's valued dollars for equal value in future inflated dollars and there will be very real, measurable losses. for many people in the middle class it could equate to losing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in real value because we were required to pay into a system they are now planning on dismantling and screwing us for. they will literally be robbing our real life pensions and they'll also eradicate medicare for anyone under 60 if they can. all of us, basically.

in order to pay for us to have a few hundred bucks back this next year... i wonder how much you're willing to personally give up to perpetuate the idea that the only way for us to succeed is to ride the coat tails of the ultra wealthy donor class.

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it would've been nice if there was anything in there for small businesses like the one i work for, that has less than 30 employees and doesn't make hundreds of millions a year. sure would've been nice to see some relief there, maybe we could've actually hired some people. but, no, not even anything about reimbursements for apprenticeships or anything like that. probably just our healthcare burden will go up since the individual mandate, i heard, was killed. so, probably just going to cost us more to do business in the future which means fewer pay raises and fewer new hires. we'll see, business was up this year, but so are expenses. if things level off then we'll have problems with increasing overhead.

so yeah, get out there and spend that few hundred fucking dollars as fast as it hits your hands

This tax plan will raise the deficit by almost 1.47 trillion dollars, and analysis shows that improvement to the economy because of the bill would not revert this. How do you feel about that?

@previous (E)
Don’t worry. The GOP will pay for billionaires’ tax cuts, by getting rid of programs that help children, the elderly, and the poor.

@837,692 (squeegee)


Ummmm...how long has the scare mongering bullshit of Ohhh they are gonna discontinue Social Security been going on...since the early eighties at least...blah blah blah...the sky is falling...the sky is falling..

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@previous (F)

> sky is falling..

I think it is.

@837,691 (The Expert™ !yCZwBr5NNQ)
Someone at the 2017 median American income of $56,516 will save between $1,387 and $2,102 (for the Senate and House bills respectively). No golf course required.

Try some scenarios out at http://taxplancalculator.com/ and see what you think.

@837,697 (F)
did you not hear what Marco Rubio was saying about offsetting the deficit by making cuts to social security and medicare? the are literally the very next things they are looking at fucking around with. if you think their favorite plan isn't still deregulation then you're being willfully ignorant. it IS the plan, how far they get with it remains to be seen. you remove all opposition and those programs would be gone tomorrow, bud. you know it, i know it, everyone knows it. you're banking on it being not very likely, which if it backfires leaves you totally fucked. but, you keep on putting all of your faith into the government to not fuck you over entirely, you'll get whatever they give you instead of you taking what you want from your government.

@837,692 (squeegee)
I'm not worried about the federal government defaulting on anything. They can print as many US dollars as they want. The government will never default on the national debt, social security, medicare FDIC, etc, at least not in nominal terms.

I should add if they did decide to print up $14 trillion dollars and pay off the national debt it would be terribly inflationary. But it could be done, easily. And would be if push came to shove.

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@previous (Meta)
you know, they arranged for my tribe to put hundreds of millions of dollars into a trust with the promise that that fund would remain intact and available to the Osage in the future, because it legally belonged to them, and currently the US is being sued by the Osage for violating that agreement and draining the trust and basically telling an entire nation to go fuck themselves for agreeing to enter into a contract with Uncle Sam. it was straight up theft. indian giving is what it's called. (the white man gets take backs)

And i'm not talking about them defaulting on any of that, i'm talking about them changing the rules and making them worthless to us despite the fact that we were born into this arrangement and have fulfilled our end of the agreement. If the government decided to, say, eliminate social security and give you a tax rebate in exchange for your pension then that wouldn't be "defaulting," that would be doing to you what happened to an under represented and underprivileged class with no power to influence choices being made for them.

like i said, the US forced my grandmother to sign her name to that paper, promised her all kinds of stuff, and then when it was inconvenient they completely and totally reneged on the arrangement they engineered themselves. don't trust the federal government to do right by you, my friend.

consider this first hand experience a small warning for what's to come if you don't stop kneeling. they'll eventually force you to be kneeling.

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@previous (squeegee)
> violating that agreement and draining the trust and basically telling an entire nation to go fuck themselves for agreeing to enter into a contract with Uncle Sam. it was straight up theft. indian giving is what it's called. (the white man gets take backs)
Sadly the US government doesn't have the greatest track record on holding up its side of the bargain in agreements with the Indians.

What was the nature of the agreement? Was it like an investment thing (invest $x now and get $2x in the future) or a pension plan or something?

> don't trust the federal government to do right by you, my friend.
I don't lol that's why I want to give them as little as possible.

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@previous (Meta)
They genocided our ancestors, corralled the survivors on shitty land in Kansas that was eventually taken away and sold out from under them, then they were moved onto land in Oklahoma that the Kansas land sales paid for, but this time there was basically what amounted to a legal land sale (which would have been honored for literally any other land holder than "savages") which, at the time, entitled the land owners to mineral rights. years later the land in Oklahoma was found to be oil rich, and the federal government again stepped in and took the land away and signed it over to Conoco i do believe who then began to drain the land. The mineral rights were supposed to be honored, but because Indians were considered Savages until the 60s the Federal Government required all registered indians to sign a legal document declaring themselves incompetent which then allowed them to gain access to proceeds from the land that they owned and were required to lease to Conoco. Buuut the signing of the document and declaration of incompetence meant the US government would be responsible for that money placed into a Trust, which they instead stole.

so they stole the indians land, gave some back to them, stole that, gave them other land and then just took everything of value. Then in exchange for "welfare" the osage had to sign away their right to self determination. and the other option was to be arrested and jailed, by the way. and yes, my father signed those documents after his mother died in order to claim his birthright, and me and my siblings will be asked to do the same when the time inevitably comes. unless, of course, the Osage tribal council and their lawyers manage to make any kind of progressive changes by suing the ever loving fuck out of the united states.

this stuff really didn't start getting resolved until after 2000, by the way. i'd have to go back and look but i think the first lawsuits over the Trust started in like 2007. as recently as ten years ago the federal government was still taking advantage of native americans, devoiding us of rights, and criminally robbing us of our wealth and heritage with systematic disenfranchisement and with ongoing and purposeful deceptions.

and i'll say it again, the osage didn't make the rules... tried to follow them, tried to live with it. but all they ever did was take more, and more and more. you'll see, its your turn now you just don't know it yet.

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@previous (squeegee)
> sign a legal document declaring themselves incompetent
This part sounds especially fucked up. You're competent enough to read and understand and sign the legally binding document... that legally proves you're incompetent to agree to things.

@previous (Meta)
So essentially...they were committing fraud by signing..

Meta, you are the dumbest retard I've ever seen on this board.

@previous (G)
Who's the smartest retard on this board?

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
that, would be me