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Topic: Anal sex has good reasons to be banned in a statist society.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos started this discussion 15 years ago #6,736

1. Health - HIV/AIDS and other STIs are more common in the homosexual comunity.

2. Health - Damage to the anus - fissures, prolapse.

3. Moral - Some people find the act morally objectionable.

4. Economic - The current system requires an expanding population to cover welfare liabilities. Anal sex does not lead to precreation.

5. Benefit to Society - The damage it does and the risks it brings to society outweigh the individual's "right" to practise society.

6. Protection of Minors - Practictioners of anal sex will invariably attempt to lure minors into their practise and convince them that it is normal and right.


Yet we all (rightly so) consider anal sex to be a citizen's prerogative, and not an area for government intervention.

These same arguments can be made for a wide range of activities (notably, drugs). We must ask ourselves how we could affirm these priniciples for one act and deny them for another.

In a statist society, no one's rights are secure. The same arguments used to prohibit certain substances could be used to prohibit certain sexual practices.

We should therefore reject government intervention (state violence) on principle. That principle:

Government shall neither legislate upon:
The behavior of a citizen that affects none but himself; nor
The consensual behavior of two citizens.

Do you accept or reject this principle?

(Edited 3 minutes later.)

Poll option Votes Percentage Graph
Accept. 12 52%
Reject. 11 48%

Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #117,924

lol

Also, inb4 over 200 hundred replies.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #117,925

@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I was expecting only broseph to reply lol

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #117,926

@117,924 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
What do you think is so controversial about this topic?

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 27 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #117,953

> Health - HIV/AIDS and other STIs are more common in the homosexual comunity.

Not true

> 2. Health - Damage to the anus - fissures, prolapse.

One can hurt themselves with risky sex positions too, as long as you are careful the chance of you being harmed is highly unlikely.

> 3. Moral - Some people find the act morally objectionable.

Please this is based totally on perspective, a lot of morally objectionable acts are socially accepted.

> 4. Economic - The current system requires an expanding population to cover welfare liabilities. Anal sex does not lead to procreation.

Are you serious? Are you trying to imply that it's better for young women to get pregnant (Possibly not being able to support their future child financially and also ruining their education) than to practice anal sex.

> 5. Benefit to Society - The damage it does and the risks it brings to society outweigh the individual's "right" to practise society.

Their are other activities that are legal and damaging yet have no benefit to society (Smoking).

> 6. Protection of Minors - Practictioners of anal sex will invariably attempt to lure minors into their practise and convince them that it is normal and right.

Minors can be lead to have vaginal sex too.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #117,957

@previous (C)
Did you even read the whole post? Because you missed the entire point of this thread.

Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #117,961

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

> Implying you didn't edit it while I was writing my post.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #117,999

I agree.

inb4 30 people didn't read the whole OP and jump to conclusions

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,000

@117,961 (C)
> implying you can edit 30 minutes after posting

Please keep it on topic, thanks!

Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,010

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

TL;DR

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,021

@117,924 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Lol I understand now. People will not read the whole thing before they post :(

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,022

vote Ron Paul 2012!

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,029

@previous (D)
I believe he is the only candidate that accepts the principle I presented.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,031

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
He is the only logical candidate.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,033

sup to4str?

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #118,039

@118,031 (D)
No other candidate could put forth a systematic exposition of their principles and policies like. Dr Paul did in The Revolution.

Bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,156

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
Wtf, you're not even American. Stop talking about Ron Paul and go vote for Kangaroo Jack.

protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 57 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,207

@previous (Bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc)
Trolls gonna troll.

Lawrence !9p5vCatBBQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 32 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,230

> mountainman
Stopped reading there.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,234

Shit, I read the first few points and clicked 'reject' without reading it. I agree with you, OP, even if your arguments against anal sex are not true.

protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,241

@118,230 (Lawrence !9p5vCatBBQ)
> says the anal-fisting sympathizer

Lawrence !9p5vCatBBQ replied with this 15 years ago, 23 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,259

@previous (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Hm. I feel like "a strong anal enthusiast and primary leader of the global fisting movement" would be more fitting.

Tekamine !AnRbswGQv. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,262

Giving Anal sex is fun.

Nega !34Kas0OdzM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,266

Image went missing@previous (Tekamine !AnRbswGQv.)
No fun allowed bro.
@OP
Lol, interesting way to say the status quite.is not so bad after all.

Tekamine !AnRbswGQv. replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,269

@previous (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
;_;

(Edited 26 seconds later.)

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,285

> The consensual behavior of two citizens.

What if that second consents to be murdered and eaten? How do you define "citizen"? What about children and people with mental deficiencies?

protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,365

@118,259 (Lawrence !9p5vCatBBQ)
Business card or gtfo.

Voice of !WisdomHsuU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,368

> implying AIDS is the fault of anal sex rather than globalisation

Lawrence !9p5vCatBBQ replied with this 15 years ago, 36 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,386

Image went missing@118,365 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Unfortunately, I lost all the physical copies of the cards I had, so this will have to do.

Syntax joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,390

Wood seem that those who need a smelly nasty loaded with germs alternative to a sweet smelling self lubricating pleasure center women have built in, are what they are.

Dats all I B saying on this topic for the momento

protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,399

@118,386 (Lawrence !9p5vCatBBQ)
lol 100000/10 bud

Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,403

@118,386 (Lawrence !9p5vCatBBQ)
I rike you. You make me raff.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,544

@118,234 (I)
Thank you for rereading. The arguments are not my own, of course. I completely reject the use of state violence to enforce morality.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,547

@118,285 (I)
We currently forbid euthanasia. We force people to suffer to their death.

We must protect certain classes of people, but preferably by family and citizens associations rather than state violence.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,549

@118,390 (Syntax)
They are what they are, but we should not use state violence to change them.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) quadruple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,550

@118,368 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
I'm guessing you didn't read the whole post...

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) quintuple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,552

I wonder what those 8 people were actually rejecting.

[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,554

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
You should have stated the question in the beginning, derped it up with the tl;dr then restated the question again.

(Edited 11 seconds later.)

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,557

@previous ([^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk)
Sorry for respecting MCs intelligence LOL ;p

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,568

@118,552 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

They read topic: Anal sex has good reasons to be banned in a statist society. and then a load of derp in the topic

and then click reject

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,572

@previous (I)
Don't think that they just do that on MC. Elections coming up, they will hear a slogan and vote based upon that.

protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,573

@118,568 (I)
> mountainman post/poll
> stop reading at mountainman
> options are something like “agree with OP” or “disagree”
> pick disagree

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,576

@previous (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Only an idiot would use an ad hominem on themselves like that

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,588

@118,572 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

> Don't think that they just do that on MC

Well they do. My limit is 4 lines and if it's still retarded after that then I give up.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,592

@previous (I)
I read every post fully.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,600

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

Most people don't. Most people, when they see you making arguments against anal sex, assume you're being as retarded as you usually are.

protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,612

@118,576 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
Thank you, child.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,742

@118,600 (I)
I would argue that I am not usually retarded.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 23 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,783

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

Denied.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,791

@previous (I)
Please tell me how you would like me to change.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,794

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

Be less retarded.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,799

@previous (I)
Please give some specific suggestions

[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 50 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,858

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
Post less.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,861

@118,799 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

Reread, and ask 'is this post retarded?'. If the answer is no, do not make that post.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,866

@previous (I)
I do.

[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,869

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

> I do.

[citation needed]

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,871

@118,866 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

So you only post posts that you consider retarded?

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,894

@previous (I)
...
Reread and decide if that is really the best interpretation you can come up with

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,902

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

A: Reread, and ask 'is this post retarded?'. If the answer is no, do not make that post.
B: I do.
A: You reread, ask yourself if the post is retarded, decide it is retarded and then post it?
B: NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID
A: Yes it is.

Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,932

@118,549 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

> They are what they are, but we should not use state violence to change them.

Yea I have no problem with those who wish to cover their dicks with Feces. Its all about free will and if they are of such a mind to cover a body part with Feces so it b.

But I wood make one guess. THEY do not nor never wish to think about FECES all over their Prick.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 39 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,934

@118,902 (I)
Lol. I follow your advice already.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 23 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,953

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

You're giving contradictory answers.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,959

No, I'm not. @previous (I)

Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,974

> hurf durf I'm using the internet.swf
I read and understood it, but it looks like it was written by somebody actively aiming for verbosity.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #118,985

@118,959 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

I said that you should read posts and if you think they are not retarded, don't post them (meaning that you should only post things you think are retarded). Then you said that you do that, which means that you read the post, consider it retarded and then post it, even though you think it is retarded. Then you say that that's not what you do, and then say that you follow my advice.

Meaning your answers re the retarded test are:

1. I post things I consider retarded
2. I don't post things I consider retarded

Contradictory claims.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #119,004

of course mountainman makes a post about how gays are "inferior".

I bet he still believes sodomy is a sin.

Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #119,007

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Hi Nexus.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #119,012

@previous (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
Hello Nega!

Meowth joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #119,013

@119,007 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
There goes Nexus, rolling in his Lexus. Nigga ain't a juggalo, but damn he could juggle hoes.

Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #119,033

@119,007 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
Question was that you or an imp?

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #119,035

@119,004 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

You did what I did. Protip - ignore the anti-anal posts and read that last bit.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,145

@118,985 (I)
I'm so sorry! I've been posting from my phone all day. I went back and reread your post. I had mentally corrected your post to be logical! I completely apologize for my misunderstanding.

I hereby clarify:
I check my posts before I post them. If they are retarded, I do not post them.

Sorry again for the confusion!

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,147

@119,004 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Did you even read the post...

Why did you put quotation marks around something that I didn't say?

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,148

It's 50/50 but several people have either admitted to not reading the whole post before voting, or have made posts ITT that strongly indicate that they did not read the whole post, which makes it hard to know what people really think.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,182

@119,145 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

> I had mentally corrected your post to be logical

My post was 100% logical. If you think a post is not retarded, do not post it. If you think a post is retarded, post it. This is the only way to improve your posting.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,518

@previous (I)
I will not post retarded posts.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,522

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

If you think a post is retarded, then it is actually not that retarded. If you think a post is reasonable, ti is retarded. Make your posts according to this priniciple.

swamplights !!V3J448+/B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,533

@118,932 (Syntax)
Smart people use condoms.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,542

@119,522 (I)
LOLno.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,544

@119,533 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
That does not change the fundamental nature of the act.

swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,558

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
I never said it did.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,562

@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
I never said that you said it did. Quit reading into things.

Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,569

@119,542 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

Oh, yes.

swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,577

@119,562 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
That's it. Another time out for you.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #119,585

@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
because I criticize your aggression based upon eisegesis?

Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 2 days later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #121,945

@119,533 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Yikes I just looked way back and must say this: Condoms break/leak/

I am 100% sure this is true because I have a daughter as a result!!

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 38 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #121,950

@previous (Syntax)
Lol how old is she?

green joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #121,954

Image went missing@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)

Nega !34Kas0OdzM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #121,955

Image went missing@previous (green)
What.

Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #121,958

@121,950 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
I am going to hold that age back and Y? DM will take the age and hit Harvard Medical School's data base and try and locate her by age, and considering that she has no clue I am her biological father, tis just not a good idea to put ammunition in such a demented persons hands.

Out of here till AM
2morrow is major $$$$ decision day re do I buy one more House or go Condo for investment - Must decided in AM after I surf my Ocean Blue

G'd nite all

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #121,974

@previous (Syntax)
I was just thinking she must be really old. Which I find amusing for some reason

Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #122,184

@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
er no. I do not know the limits on ages admitted to Harvard Med School, but looking at just one photo of one class, all looked about the same age.

http://hms.harvard.edu/admissions/default.asp?page=requirements

Bottom line for admissions to that school mean its going to take 6 years of Premed to get in all the liberal arts with the added science, math, physics. So yes most students will be two years older upon entering Grad school aka Harvard Med.

Then there is Matt M who took 19 years just for his MA and in liberal arts lol

Men can be 95 and still end up as new dads. Look at Larry King lol

protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #122,195

@previous (Syntax)
Are you capable of typing anything longer than four sentences that does not mention Matt Miller?

Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #122,198

@previous (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Proof?

YES

edited: lots n lots of posts this am - it is still am here and 99% do not have anything related too

You know what

Bet you thought you were about to trap me eh

Nice try no cigar.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #122,205

@previous (Syntax)
Nope.

mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #122,708

@122,184 (Syntax)
Lol you are awesome
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