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Topic: Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio.

Anonymous A started this discussion 9 years ago #65,234

Do you even KNOW what that bastard did?

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #807,355

no

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #807,356

@previous (B)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

Scroll down to controversies.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #807,357

Ridiculous. Arpaio clearly, indisputably violated the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Due Process, many times. He tortured prisoners who had not even been to trial yet, and he harassed people with brown skin and made them prove innocence on the street without a trial. He is disgusting, and people who support that sort of behavior do not understand our system of law.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 41 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #807,362

@previous (A)
It's hard to support this decision, but you make it easier.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #807,368

So what? Obama pardoned Bradley Manning.

Anonymous E double-posted this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,369

@807,356 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
The New York times called him America's worst sheriffs. That's hilarious as the new York times is owned by a Mexican who profits from Mexican immigration to the US. It's like a bank calling regulators bad, or a serial theif calling a tough judge bad.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 41 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,378

@previous (E)
Did you read the section?
Federal Judge Neil V. Wake ruled in 2008, and again in 2010, that the county jails violated the constitutional rights of inmates in medical and other care-related issues.[36][37] This ruling was a result of a lawsuit brought by the ACLU, which alleged that "Arpaio routinely abused pre-trial detainees at Maricopa County Jail by feeding them moldy bread, rotten fruit and other contaminated food, housing them in cells so hot as to endanger their health, denying them care for serious medical and mental health needs, and keeping them packed as tightly as sardines in holding cells for days at a time during intake."


Failure to investigate sex crimes
During a three-year period ending in 2007, more than 400 sex crimes reported to Arpaio's office were inadequately investigated or not investigated at all. While providing police services for El Mirage, Arizona, the MCSO under Arpaio failed to follow through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases. Many of the victims were children of illegal immigrants.[85][89]

Justification for ignoring sex crimes
An internal memo written by one of the detectives assigned to the Morrison case blamed a high case load, saying the special victims unit had gone from five detectives to just three, and the detectives left were often called off their cases to investigate special assignments. They included a credit card fraud case involving the Arizona Diamondbacks and a mortgage fraud case in Arpaio's home city of Fountain Hills.[90]

When county supervisors provided more than $600,000 to fund six additional detective positions to investigate child abuse in fiscal 2007, none were added to the sex-crimes squad. Sheriff’s administrators now say they have no idea where those positions were added or what became of the money after it was added to the budget.[91]



Mike Lacey and Jim Larkin, the founders and leaders of the Phoenix New Times, were arrested after publishing a news article on a grand jury investigation involving Arpaio's office. On the evening that the article was published, Lacey and Larkin were arrested by plainclothes sheriff's deputies, "handcuffed, put in dark SUVs with tinted windows and driven to jail."[111] Following a public uproar over the arrests, all charges were dropped against Lacey and Larkin.[111] Lacey and Larkin filed a federal Section 1983 lawsuit, and in 2012 the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that they could sue the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office for the arrests.[112] In 2013, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors voted to settle the suit for $3.75 million. Lacey and Larkin used the proceeds of the settlement to establish an endowed chair professorship at the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication.[111]


In 1999, undercover MCSO deputies arrested James Saville, then 18 years old, and charged him with plotting to kill Arpaio with a pipe bomb. A local television station had been tipped off to the arrest by the MCSO, and broadcast footage of the arrest that evening. The MCSO held a news conference shortly after the arrest, and Arpaio appeared in interviews on local television stations, saying "If they think they are going to scare me away with bombs and everything else, it's not going to bother me."[126]

After spending four years in jail awaiting trial, Saville was about to sign a plea deal that would have sent him to prison for 20 years. Although he maintained his innocence, he was initially unwilling to take a chance on being given an even longer sentence if convicted. However, the former head of undercover investigations for the MCSO called Saville's legal team with a bombshell -- based on his review of the case, he felt that Saville had been entrapped. Although entrapment is all but impossible to prove in most jurisdictions, Saville's attorneys eventually discovered that MCSO detectives had bought the bomb parts themselves, then convinced Saville to build it even though he was not predisposed to commit such a crime. On July 9, 2003, a Maricopa County Superior Court jury acquitted Saville, finding that the bomb plot was an elaborate publicity stunt to boost Arpaio's reelection bid.[127]

In 2004, Saville sued Arpaio and Maricopa County for wrongful arrest and entrapment, seeking $10 million in damages. In 2008, the suit was settled, with Maricopa County paying Saville $1.6 million.[128][129][130]



And this isn't even the worst stuff. Regardless of politics this guy is just a bad human being.

Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,381

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Yeah he sounds like an absolute scumbag but so was Bradley Manning for leaking classified information. Where's the outrage at his pardon?

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 50 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,382

@807,362 (D)
Damnlol

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,383

@807,381 (E)
Sounds awfully deflecting in here...

Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,384

@previous (G)
I'm not deflecting, if presidents are going to pardon controversial people don't be shocked when a person who don't like gets pardoned.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,385

@807,381 (E)
For what it's worth I don't approve of Manning's sentence commutation but "Obama did something similar" isn't a defense. If you can't defend something on its own merits, it's ok to admit that a person did something incorrectly. You don't constantly have to say "but x did y and you didn't care hypocrite!"

Meta joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,386

That's weird. Don't Presidents usually save their pardons until like their last day in office?

If anything I thought Trump would pardon people in his inner circle to stop this Russia nonsense.

Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,387

@807,385 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I'm honestly not defending it. Im saying no one should be surprised or outraged when leaders regularly pardon controversial crooks. I should be more offended that presidents can do this and are doing this as a way to score points rather than using pardons to correct an injustice.

(Edited 27 seconds later.)

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 36 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #807,392

@807,368 (E)
"Oh yeah? But Obama..." The favorite excuse of toothless inbred hillbilly Trump supporters with no thoughts of their own.
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