Topic: Trump lies again.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU started this discussion 9 years ago #64,932

So CNBC breaks this story

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/16/a-second-trump-advisory-council-is-disbanding.html

"The thinking was it was important to do as a group," a member told CNBC. "As a panel, not as individuals because it would have more significant impact. It makes a central point that it's not going to go forward. It's done."

Then fifteen minutes after this is published Trump tweets, "Rather than putting pressure on the businesspeople of the Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum, I am ending both. Thank you all!"

You didn't end it you lying sack of shit. Transparently obvious spin.

Bonus day-old tweet that did not age well: For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!

Blatant fucking liar Nazi-defending sexual abuser human scum.

WaterGuy12 joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 34 seconds later[^] [v] #805,152

JOBS!

Syntax joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,153

After the members agreed to disband and condemn Trump's statements, the president said he would end both the Strategic and Policy Forum and the manufacturing council.

Trump set those up only as a photo op.

@OP
> Blatant fucking liar Nazi-defending sexual abuser human scum.

He most certainly is doing a Terrific/Great/Job at making America hate again.

Oh and he ran on a campaign as a DISRUPTOR And the fact is HE IS:

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,154

@previous (Syntax)
Yeah I don't think these councils "mean" anything. They were a PR stunt for everyone involved. It's just sad how he can't help but lie about everything.

Meta joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,157

Serious question: can Trump ever actually win the disavowal game?

"Racism is evil," Trump said on Monday. "And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

It seems like no matter what he says its never good enough.
He didn't disavow quickly enough
He didn't disavow emphatically enough
He disavowed A, B, and C, but not X, Y, and Z
He disavowed them but he used a teleprompter so it doesn't count
He didn't specifically name and disavow every single member of every single one of the 917 SPLC-recognized hate groups

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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,158

@previous (Meta)
That was after 3 days of tepid rebukes for "both sides". Yesterday he said there were "some very fine people" on the side of the right wing. The event was organized by fucking NAZIS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. True in 1945. True today. True forever.

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Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,160

why is this Trump guy so jerky

Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,161

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
Y not. Jerks voted 4him

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 6 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,162

@805,158 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Alright, if Trump had the same quote: "Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans." on the day of the Charlottesville event, would you have accepted it as a sincere disavowal?

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 10 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,163

@805,157 (Meta)
you don't seem to have good powers of evaluation, and prefer to source your evaluations elsewhere

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,168

@805,162 (Meta)
There was a 0% chance he would do that, which is part of the problem. If he had said that on the day of, and then never contradicted himself later I wouldn't have believed him but I would have acknowledged he said the right thing at the right time.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #805,170

@805,162 (Meta)
> "Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans

One wood only hear him say that as he read it from scripted Teleprompter - Off the cuff waz the honest side of Trump yesterday.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,171

@805,168 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
But if he had said the right thing at the right time (again I agree there's a 0% chance of that because Trump never does that), you still wouldn't have believed him.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,172

@previous (Meta)
what's the diff, are you trying to pick a fight, who cares

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,173

@805,171 (Meta)
Why would I believe him when he lies all the time and has been openly racist before? I don't get your point.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,177

@805,168 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Here's what I'm worried about: there's a lot of crazies in America and no politician can control who endorses or supports them. Bernie Sanders had no way of stopping James T. Hodgkinson from supporting him. We'll never know now because he's dead but if he said he shot Steve Scalise for Bernie Sanders, I mean there's just no way for Sanders to stop that. Even though Bernie's campaign was absolutely 100% certified hate- and violence-free, one of his supporters still went crazy with a gun and started shooting people.

I think the media and people in general should support Donald Trump's efforts to denounce the alt-nazis/neo-right/kkk/white-nationalists, even if they believe it's not 100% sincere and give him support and praise for trying. I'm worried if they don't, Trump will just eventually say "fuck it there's just no pleasing these people" and just give up trying to denounce it altogether. But if he does get positive support and praise for trying, if he thinks it makes people like him, he might try to do better next time. I think in this situation the perfect is the enemy of the good. Donald Trump is never ever ever ever going to be tactful or eloquent or nuanced. We'll never get a perfect Obama-level response out of Trump because he just isn't Obama.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,178

@previous (Meta)
oh shut up meta you fucking troll

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,181

@805,177 (Meta)
I don't expect Donald Trump to give an eloquent speech. I an expecting the absolute bare minimum from him, which is when a fucking Nazi murders someone on US soil, he comes out immediately and says "Nazis are bad." That's something even he is capable of doing if he wanted to. That's not an unreasonable standard. He does not get partial credit because days later he said "Nazis are bad" and then the day after he said some of them were fine people. There are no fine Nazis. I am beyond horrified at the way he handled it. I don't know why you think everyone has to suck Trump's cock every time he doesn't shit his pants while walking to the bathroom. He is president, not a 3 year old.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,184

Anonymous G double-posted this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #805,187

@805,181 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> when a fucking Nazi murders

Murder? Manslaughter? A racist asshole on his way home in the wrong street at the wrong time?

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,196

@previous (G)
He lived in Ohio. He was not trying to enter his driveway. The murder vs manslaughter distinction will be argued in court but I don't feel like splitting hairs over exactly what he did legally here is super relevant.

Anonymous G replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,199

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
So instead of waiting for the courts to pass judgement, you decide it was murder without knowing all the facts or seeing all the evidence. Good for you.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,200

@previous (G)
Yes because I am not a court. My judgement has no actual legal authority. In my opinion he murdered Heather Heyer. If the sharpest criticism you have is that I said a Nazi murdered someone when legally speaking, technically it might be manslaughter, I think I'm doing ok.

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Anonymous F replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,203

@805,199 (G)

> So instead of waiting for the courts to pass judgement, you decide it was murder without knowing all the facts or seeing all the evidence. Good for you.

is this real life

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,206

OJ is innocent

Anonymous G replied with this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,207

@805,200 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Your argument assumes he was there to attack them and had bad intent. This has not been proven. He could've been on his way home and taken a wrong turn. but that impossible to conceive when your mind is made up already. I'll wait till the trial starts and more evidence comes out before assuming his guilt or innocence.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,210

@previous (G)
Congratulations I guess?

yeahbut.. joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 20 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,215

he was just driving through the area...a few of the mongrels screamed their hysterical gibberish at him...and battered his vehicle with their sticks and clubs..

they scared the young fellow and he panicked and screwed up..

but you don't want to believe that...you want your side to be able to have a martyr..

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,216

@previous (yeahbut..)
coincidence about his affiliation though (look it up)

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,220

@805,215 (yeahbut..)
He must have gotten pretty badly lost on his way to the grocery store because his home in Maumee, Ohio is pretty far from Charolettesville, Virginia.

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MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,221

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
why do you even entertain posts like that

yeahbut.. replied with this 9 years ago, 18 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,224

@previous (MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2)
maybe because she is not an ignorant self serving shit for brains chanboy..

like some cockgobbling foolish giant faggot who is queer enough to call themselvesMORDOR..

yeahbut.. double-posted this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,225

@805,220 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
good point...just checked...over four hundred miles..
interesting to hear why he was in the area..
IF he drove from home to the protest...I got little sympathy for him..

yeahbut.. triple-posted this 9 years ago, 24 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,233

@805,224 (yeahbut..)

> an ignorant self serving shit for brains chanboy..
>
> like some cockgobbling foolish giant faggot who is queer enough to call themselvesMORDOR..

not that there's anything wrong with that..

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Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,244

Bloody hell, the Trump Administration is just a conga line of failures. One after the other, week after week.

While it is amusing and comforting to see that the supposed champion of the new far-right is breathtakingly incompetnent in government, I do have to wonder when the Republican Party will finally decide that enough is enough.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,245

@805,225 (yeahbut..)
He did.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-charlottesville-suspect-knew-rallyi-thought-trump/story?id=49185691

@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
That's the only saving grace. At least the alt-right is represented by the least competent possible leaders. But what does it say about America that we elected a totally incompetent alt right sympathizer? I don't feel optimistic about us or our future.

Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 19 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,247

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I like to think that, after the complete disaster that his presidency has been, your country will lose its appetite for far-right populism. Sure, the guy has a reliable base who will support him no matter what as long as he pushes their agenda and annoys liberals... But they ain't the majority of voters. His aggregate approval rating, as I recall, currently sits in the low 30s. That's not re-election material, I would think.

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MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2 replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,249

@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
nobody thought he was election material to begin with. the fact that his presidency is turning out so poorly isn't a surprise or cause for optimism

Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,250

@previous (MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2)
I strongly disagree with you, ninjj. It's very much a cause for optimism. This was meant to be a far-right resurgence, but it's a train-wreck.

He could've been halfway competent, but he's not even that.

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squeegee joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,251

i'll be honest with you guys, i am really enjoying trumps legacy. not the actual shit he's doing, but i find the title of "Blatant fucking liar Nazi-defending sexual abuser human scum," very satisfying. like, i think i'm finding it cathartic to watch trump basically take a very public barfing shit on himself and any kind of legacy he might've had. no one will remember him as a business man, you know? that'll just be in the little preface paragraph before the chapter on contemporary politics in history class. "he was a business man in real estate from new york," and then the next 36 pages will call him a liar, a racist and a sexual abusing nazi defender. his true legacy, what he'll actually be remembered for, all started when he started his run for president.

everything before that will be discussed only to provide context and color to conversations about his presidency.

kinda fitting that the image he worked for decades to craft and maintain, the thing he want's people to remember him for, will be but a footnote in the chapter about his impeachment and investigations into his foreign business ties.

Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,253

@previous (squeegee)
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving egotist.

squeegee replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,254

@805,199 (G)
actually the president yesterday called it murder. pretty well fucked up the entire jury pool, nationwide i would think, by him going out and throwing that kid under the bus and calling it murder because trump was under pressure, but it happened. idk if it'll change any thing, but yeah, the fucking president has already decided it was murder and called it that in no unclear terms. said it might even have been terrorism. "murder terrorism, call it what you will, it was murder." something like that, i'm paraphrasing from memory but i was quite shocked when he said that. the man has no sense at all.

but yeah, that's kinda why i'm calling it murder. i actually think the guy probably just fucked up really, really bad and made a huge mistake and hit those people because he couldn't control his car or his panic. especially since we've gotten no kind of statement.

when the boston bomber kid was caught the questioned him minutes after surgery and put his admission out there for all of us to hear within the hour. we knew he was confessing almost immediately. they've had this kid in custody for days and i've not heard a peep about any kind of statement.

i'm calling it now, he's claiming it was an accident, a terrible terrible mistake. he panicked and hit the wrong pedal. he was scared and ran, and feels nothing but sorrow and remorse. just watch. and the fucking president went on television and called it murder and called him a murderer.

that kid is so fucking fucked it just seems unreal. especially since trump doesn't weigh in on things without knowing all the facts, you know? he's either aware of a confession no one else knows about or he's the biggest hypocritical wind bag piece of shit in all of history.

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MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2 replied with this 9 years ago, 21 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,256

@805,250 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
cut the name calling shit please you don't have to do that every time you address one of my posts
this isn't a train wreck for the far right. the farce of the week for us is almost always a boon for the far right. i don't care if his supporters are a minority, he's the president and I can't celebrate that on the shitty technicality that he's MORE incompetent than we expected

Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,257

@previous (MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2)
How the far-right feels is largely irrelevant. They can be as energised as they like, but that doesn't matter much when he can barely implement his agenda or retain mainstream credibility.

At the end of the day, a halfway competent and likeable President would've been so much more useful to the far-right then one who is constantly courting impeachment, which may instead cause lasting damage to far-right influence. Can you at least see where I'm coming from with this, ninjj?

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MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2 replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,260

@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
okay I asked you to stop doing that don't be an asshole
the far right doesn't need credibility. he's brought them into the mainstream and that's all they need to operate. again, i'm not going to celebrate a trainwreck. i can see where you're coming from but your optimism feels premature. also fuck you for trying to pick bones with me over nothing

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,263

@previous (MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2)
> far right doesn't need credibility.

Wacko's automatically have no credibility.

Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,265

@805,260 (MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2)
Well, if it bothers you that much I'll stop. I'm not looking to be on bad terms with you.

I'm not celebrating it. The Trump administration, while incompetent, is still a vile thing that knowingly harms democracy and equality. I'm as horrified as the next guy over the dog-whistle Nazi supporting, the lies about vote manipulation, and the several other travesties. I just think it's good to note that, in the long term, Trump may actually hurt far-right influence.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,266

I'm worried political debate is going to change from "who has the better argument" to "who can bring more bats to the street fight"

beckyderp !yDoooooooo joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 10 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,267

d^{O^NG}s

beckyderp !yDoooooooo double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,268

d_{O_NG}s

squeegee replied with this 9 years ago, 15 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,269

@805,265 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
he even lied about the "alt-left" not having a permit to protest in charlotte'sville. they had 2.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right

i mean he lies about everything. every. fucking. thing. that people take him at his word on anything at this point just blows my mind. functional retards. that's the only explanation.

beckyderp !yDoooooooo replied with this 9 years ago, 39 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,271

d^{O^NG}s
d_{O_NG}s

MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2 replied with this 9 years ago, 39 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,272

@805,265 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
well hopefully you're right KILLER LETTUCE

yeahbut.. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,274

@805,267 (beckyderp !yDoooooooo)
that's retarded..

beckyderp !yDoooooooo replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,278

@previous (yeahbut..)
d^on^gs
d_on_gs

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,281

@805,269 (squeegee)
I'm honestly surprised anyone still bothers to "fact check" or "debunk" anything he says at this point.

Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,283

@previous (Meta)
Did you catch Trump claiming he owns one of the largest wineries in the USA and it's located in Charlottesville.

It's a very small winery nor does he currently own it according to this

Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,286

@previous (Syntax)
> it's located in Charlottesville.
The whole thing was a false flag to increase wine sales.

Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,288

@previous (Meta)
On my mental list of things to try was the Trump Champagne. Probably avail at my local Bev Mo.

Now I am not about to drop a dime to taste it.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,292

@previous (Syntax)
Reading the article in HuffPo there's some confusion about winery size:
“When measuring winery size the question of acres under the vine is not taken into consideration,” Kaiser said. “So while it is true that the president’s namesake winery has the largest acre under vine in Virginia, it is not one of the largest in the country or the East Coast. It is one of the larger wineries in Virginia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/two-big-lies-trump-told-about-his-winery-in-charlottesville_us_59944cc0e4b009141641ab63

So it is actually the largest, in terms of acreage, but not the largest in terms of bottles of wine made. I can see the logic for measuring how "big" the winery is by number of cases shipped, because that what a winery is for but I could also see how someone could think "most acres in virginia = biggest winery in virginia".

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Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 46 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,307

@previous (Meta)
> So it is actually the largest, in terms of acreage,

Duplin Winery in Rose Hill, N.C., produces about 450,000 cases and has 1000 acres.
https://www.duplinwinery.com/story/

Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 22 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,311

@805,292 (Meta)
a lot of people here need to reevaluate their whinery..

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,313

I miss Steve Jobs.

Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,315

@previous (M)

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,316

@805,307 (Syntax)
Cool story bro!

Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 19 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,321

@805,315 (H)

> I don't want to live on the planet anymore

Don't then. Steve Jobs is cool no matter what and what the hell even is Unix?

Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,322

@previous (M)

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 20 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,323

@805,321 (M)
> Unix
More like EUNUCHS ????

fucking fags ?

hey if EUNUCHS is so cool how come only like 1% of computers run it? ???

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Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,331

@805,322 (H)
$500 a month sounds like a reasonable amount. Of course he didn't want his whore-ex using all of the child support money.

Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 6 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #805,370

@805,260 (MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2)

Golly gosh, Ninjj, you sure are bad tempered!

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,437

@805,215 (yeahbut..)
i think there are enough martyrs
https://antifainternational.tumblr.com/post/159425251484/you-antifa-guys-are-actually-more-hateful-and

January 20, 2017: A right-wing extremist shoots a protestor at a Milo Yiannopoulos event at the University of Washington.

January 29, 2017: Alexandre Bissonnette walks into a mosque in Canada during evening prayers and opens fire, shooting 17 people and killing six of them.
January 2017: Over 40 Jewish centers in the U.S. receive bomb threats.

February 22, 2017: Adam Purinton tells two men from India to “get out of my country” then shoots both plus a bystander, killing one.

February 28, 2017: a mosque in Toronto is set on fire by arsonists.

March 12, 2017: a mosque in Ypsilanti, MI. is set on fire by arsonists.

March 20, 2017: James Jackson arrives in Manhattan with a sword and stabs the first black man he sees to death. He later tells authorities he “intended to kill as many black men as he could.”

March 24, 2017: Yelling “I hate Muslims!” a man in Minneapolis stabbed a Somali man in an attempt to kill him.

March 26, 2017: A racist mob attacks a 15-year-old Polish boy in Gloucestershire and, when a local Asian shopkeeper tries to intervene, attack him as well with crowbars and baseball bats, then attempt to run him over with a car.

March 31, 2017: A 17-year-old Iranian/Kurdish boy is nearly beaten to death by a mob of eight people in Croydon after he revealed to them that he was a refugee.

April 6, 2017: A Charlotte store is set on fire by an arsonist who leaves a warning message for the shop owner that he “did not want any refugee business owners and that they would torture the owner if they did not leave and go back to where they came from,” according to police. It was signed “White America.”

MAY 5TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
April 30, 2017: A white man storms a pool party in San Diego and shoots four black women, two black men, and one Latino man while allowing white attendees to leave. One victim dies while the other six sustain critical injuries.

MAY 10TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 5, 2017: A man walking his dog on South Beach in Miami is confronted by two men who call him a “fucking faggot,” then attack him, beating him unconscious. At one point in the attack, one of the attackers shouts “all faggots need to die and we’re going to make sure they do!”

MAY 18TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 14, 2017: Vandals spray-paint hate graffiti on the home of a black family in upstate New York before attempting to set the house on fire while the family slept. Although the family escaped unscathed, their garage burnt to the ground and their house suffered some damage.

May 17, 2017: A homophobic mob break into the home of a gay couple and shoot and stab both men to death.

MAY 23RD: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 20, 2017: University of Maryland student and member of the “alt-Reich” facebook group Sean Urbanski walks up to 22-year-old Richard Collins III, who is black and who Urbanski does not know, and stabs him to death in an unprovoked attack.

May 27th: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 24, 2017: A barrage of doxxing, rape threats, and death threats received by trans comic book artist Sophie Labelle forces her to cancel an appearance and event at a Halifax book store, which also received bomb threats and threats of attacking the event. Labelle is forced into hiding.

May 26, 2017: Three men intervene on a MAX train in Portland when they witness another man verbally abusing two Muslim women with an Islamophobic tirade. The Islamophobe responds by pulling out a knife and stabs the three interveners, killing two of them.
MAY 30th: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
May 27, 2017: A white man drives his pickup truck through a campsite, targeting the Native Americans camping there while yelling racial slurs at them. He intentionally drives over two Native American men, killing one and injuring the other.

June 3rd: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
March 3, 2017: A Sikh man is shot and injured in front of his Seattle house by a white man waring a mask, who yells at him to “go back to your country!”

May 27, 2017: A 34-year-old Anthony Hammond lets loose with a flurry of racial slurs directed at a black man in a parking lot, then pulls out a machete and stabs the man before barricading himself in his apartment for several hours, until finally surrendering to police.
JUNE 13th: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

January 1, 2017: 19-year-old Nathan Richardson encounters 67-year-old jogger Wenqing Xu and beats him to death in an unprovoked, random attack. After committing the murder, Richardson texted his friends that he “fucked sum chink up. Bodied him. I think pure crime scene – his head’s gone,”

JUNE 19TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

June 18, 2017: two men armed with baseball bats attack a group of Muslim teenagers, kidnapping a 17-year-old girl, who they beat to death, dumping her body in a pond.
June 1, 2017: A Princeton professor and racialized woman is forced to cancel a three-city lecture tour to promote her book about the Black Lives Matter movement after receiving over 50 death threats.

June 19, 2017: Shouting “I’m going to kill all Muslims!” 47-year-old Darren Osborne drives a courier van through a crowd of Muslims leaving a Finsbury mosque, killing one person and injuring ten others.
JULY 4TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

January 28, 2017: a First Nations woman walking with her sister is struck by a trailer hitch hurled from a passing vehicle. After struggling in hospital for several months, she succumbs to her injuries.

June 21, 2017: an Islamophobe approaches a Muslim man and woman sitting in a car stopped at a traffic light and knocks on the window. When the driver rolls down the window, the Islamophobe sprays the driver and passenger with acid, severely burning both.

JULY 16TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

February 21, 2017: a 24-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Chicago, IL.

February 26, 2017: a transgender woman is shot and killed in New Orleans, LA.

March 1, 2017: a transgender woman is stabbed to death in New Orleans, LA.

March 22, 2017: a 38-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Baltimore, MD.

April 21, 2017: a 28-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Miami, FL.

May 17, 2017: a 34-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Fresno, CA.

July 2, 2017: a 28-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Lynchburg, VA.

JULY 25TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

June 3, 2017: 38-year-old white supremacist Phillip Wade racially abuses a 57-year-old black man on an Oakley, CA. bus, then pulls a knife and stabs the man to death while the man is walking away from the confrontation. The victim is the third racialized person Wade has stabbed in the past six years and the second person he’s murdered.

July 16, 2017: A man attempts to pull the hijab off of a Muslim woman waiting for the tube in London, then hits her when she resists. He then pins her friend to the wall and spits in her face before leaving.

July 16, 2017: Arsonists set a mosque in Manchester ablaze.

July 18, 2017: A NASA researcher of South Asian descent has her car windshield shattered by a rock thrown through it by an assailant screaming “go back to your country!” She’s injured in the attack.

AUGUST 2ND: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

July 19, 2017: Two men exit a car and attack a racialized pedestrian with their fists and an iron bar.

AUGUST 7TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

August 5, 2017: A mosque in Bloomington, Minnesota is firebombed, narrowly missing killing & injuring dozens of members there for morning prayers.

AUGUST 10TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

August 8, 2017: A well-known Chicago neo-nazi starts an altercation at a concert, then pulls out a smuggled knife and stabs a man and a woman at the show.

AUGUST 12TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

August 12, 2017: A white supremacist in Charlottesville, VA. drives his car at high speed directly into a crowd of anti-racist protestors, killing one woman and seriously injured 19 other people.

AUGUST 12TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

January 25, 2017: An arsonist destroys the only mosque in Victoria, Texas.
AUGUST 16TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
August 12, 2017: A self-identifed member of the white supremacist “three percenter” movement is arrested by the FBI after unsuccessfuly trying to blow up a bank in Oklahoma City with a car bombed modeled after the one used by Timothy McVeigh.

In case you have trouble counting, Anon, that’s three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve shootings, three four five six seven arsons, two three four seven eight nine ten eleven stabbings, two three four five mob beatings, over 40 41 bomb threats, one failed bombing, and an acid attack by bigots, Islamophobes, nazis and racists so far this year.

Eight Nine Eleven Twelve Fourteen Fifteen Sixteen Seventeen Eighteen Nineteen Twenty twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five twenty-six Twenty-seven Twenty-Eight people are dead because of these bigoted attacks and fifteen twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-five thirty-five thirty-seven thirty-nine fifty-eight were severely injured.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,439

@805,177 (Meta)
are you kidding me
donald trump is not a toddler
he doesn't need to be praised for managing just once to do the bare minimum and repeat a speech someone wrote for him. especially if he, being a fucking moron, goes on to contradict it the next fucking day.
he's not a child. this is supposed to be the fucking president of the united states. you shouldn't need to treat him like a child.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL triple-posted this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,440

@805,331 (M)
$500/mo sounds like a reasonable amount?
i'm struggling to find a place to live that costs less than that

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,452

@805,439 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> Meta: things might be better if we supported Trump's attempts to disavow nazis
> Fake Anon: OMG WHY DO YOU THINK EVERYONE SHOULD SUCK HIS COCK ALL THE TIME?!?!
> Chilidog: HE DOESNT NEED TO BE PRAISED HE ISNT A TODDLER!!

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,455

@previous (Meta)
someone in that position of power should be able to take the high road and meet the minimum standards of human being regardless of whether or not people give him cookies for it

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,457

@805,452 (Meta)
His attempts to disavow Nazis included him saying "there were many fine people" at a rally orchestrated by THE DAILY STORMER. How am I supposed to support that?

Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,458

@805,455 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
In all serious - He campaigned taking the low road and got elected on that basis. That worked for him. Yes disgusting but one cannot expect him to change.
He is wot he is.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,459

@805,457 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I agree the "lots of fine people on many sides" message was terrible. However, I think when he released the better message "Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans." he should have gotten some praise and support for it, even if it was late and contradicted his first statements because it will provide an incentive for him to be better next time.

I'm not saying, like insane praise and adulation but the media/influential people should have supported it a bit and praised him for eventually saying the right thing.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,460

@805,440 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
for one parent's contribution to child support for one child, sure

Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,461

@805,459 (Meta)

> I agree the "lots of fine people on many sides" message was terrible. However, I think when he released the better message "Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans." he should have gotten some praise and support for it, even if it was late and contradicted his first statements because it will provide an incentive for him to be better next time.
>
> I'm not saying, like insane praise and adulation but the media/influential people should have supported it a bit and praised him for eventually saying the right thing.

good job chief

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,462

@805,459 (Meta)
> he should have gotten some praise and support for it, even if it was late and contradicted his first statements because it will provide an incentive for him to be better next time.
i think that whole premise is flawed
the potus should not require incentives from influential people/the media in order to denounce nazis and/or read speeches others wrote for him instead of blurting out whatever inane thoughts pop into that empty skull of his

Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,466

@805,440 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)

> $500/mo sounds like a reasonable amount?
> i'm struggling to find a place to live that costs less than that

You aren't searching hard enough. My rent is just a little over 400 a month. It used to be 350 ?

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,467

@805,459 (Meta)
I'm not understanding something. "Nazis are bad" is without question the least controversial thing you can say in the history of American politics. It took him DAYS to say it. He does not get a gold star and a pat on the head because he eventually said something literally no one in Congress or the media would disagree with, and then later undermined that with some equivocating "both sides had good people" garbage. I'm generally moderate but when it comes to Nazis there is no room for nuance. Nazis are bad people. Nazism is evil. It must be destroyed everywhere it exists. Failing to immediately say that is incomprehensible. Walking it back after saying it is beyond incomprehensible. I have no idea why I am obligated to find something good in his actions here.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,471

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It's a carrot and stick thing. Trump says bad thing: "fine people on many sides", gets beat with sticks. Trump says good thing "racism is evil and no place for it in America", he gets a carrot. Eventually he'll get conditioned to say good things.

And I'm not saying he should get a Nobel Peace Prize for it, I mean something along the lines of "it took three days but better late than never, maybe next time he'll do better".

Also I'm not saying that you personally should support it or anything, I'm saying this is what the media/influential people should be doing to try to steer Trump in the right direction. I think Trump is malleable and could be moved in either direction on this.

(Edited 3 minutes later.)

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,478

@previous (Meta)
Do you realize you are treating the 70 year old President of the United States of America like a 12 year old? If he can't figure out that it's a good idea to say "Nazis are bad" when a Nazi kills someone at a Nazi rally, then he is too stupid to do anything right and no amount of incentives will matter.

(Edited 51 seconds later.)

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,485

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Do you realize you are treating the 70 year old President of the United States of America like a 12 year old?
Yes. I'm using Rat Park Rules to train the President. The media has a really big Skinner Box and they're not using it to it's full potential.
> If he can't figure out that it's a good idea to say "Nazis are bad" when a Nazi kills someone at a Nazi rally, then he is too stupid to do anything right and no amount of incentives will matter.
If a rat can figure out good vs. bad stimulus I bet Trump can too.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,489

@previous (Meta)
Can that rat run for Repubs in 2020? It has a better shot at getting my vote than Trump at the moment.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,492

@805,485 (Meta)
Trump reportedly mainly watches Fox, which is owned and operated by his own party members. His own party has to decide what they want from him and instruct the commentators/hosts accordingly.

Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,493

"Nazis have the same rights and freedoms as every other USAmerican"
~Donald Trump

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,494

@805,466 (M)
where do you live?
i've found all of two places that allow cats for under $500
one is ~$315 for a small windowless room/$385 for a larger windowed room, the other is $425 for a medium windowed room, utilities/wifi included
and those are for single rooms in large (as in 5-7 roommates) apartments

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,495

@805,489 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
i would vote for a sentient ant colony over the creature tbh

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,497

ahh, you'll have to pay the "cat premium"
they know they can ding you plenty because people love their sweet kitties

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,498

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
nah it's not that you get charged more $$ for a pet it's just are-they-allowed/is-the-apartment-already-too-full-of-animals

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 37 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,509

@805,489 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Other things the media could do:
A complete blackout of alt-right coverage, especially leading figures like Richard Spencer, the Daily Stormer, David Duke etc
If the alt-right/neo-Nazis must be covered, change the framing from "these guys are scary" to "these guys are sad losers" and keep it to a minimum

Everything they do, the swastikas, the torch parades, "hail victory" chants, is designed to get attention and scare people. They can be stopped by depriving them of that attention.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,511

@previous (Meta)
letting them fester in darkness is how we got to where we are today
they must be exposed and destroyed

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,512

@805,509 (Meta)
If you're relying on the media to temper the amount of coverage they give scary people and events, you are going to be sorry disappointed.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,513

@805,511 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Also this, no one had heard of the alt right before 2016 but that didn't mean they didn't exist. They were always there being awful people. Maybe now we can do something about the radicalization of young white men.

Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,514

whats up with all the fags that post here? this is the internet, you'd think you'd have some thicker skins tbh. if you haven't figured out that far right activity is fueled by accepted and entrenched far left activity, you're a fucking retard.

Anonymous R double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,515

just because i know itll get some butthurt in such a fragile namefagged community
nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,517

@805,514 (R)
Actually far left activity is fueled by accepted and entrenched far right activity.

Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,518

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> Actually far left activity is fueled by accepted and entrenched far right activity.
it has never been acceptable to be far right in the United States
ever. far right leaders have a tendency to get killed in the US

being far left... on the other hand. its been socially acceptable since the 70s- and falling on the left spectrum is the norm in most major cities. in the past decade violent attacks and leftist movements dont get publicized by media or condemned by the average person at all. the left has been stuck on focusing on race for a while now, and now they're somehow surprised that when you put politics in a racial perspective you end up making whites who think/act along racial lines.

Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,519

@805,494 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
? That sucks. Shit's so cheap in rural AL/GA/FL/SC that you can almost live comfortably working part-time making minimum wage.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,520

@previous (M)
yeah but then you have to live in rural alabama/georgia/florida/south carolina
not worth it

Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,522

@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)

> yeah but then you have to live in rural alabama/georgia/florida/south carolina
> not worth it

a lot of blacks in the south, wouldn't want to live there either unless i have a thing for getting robbed. also the weather gets mad muggy

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,524

@previous (R)
uh
that's not the direction iw as going with that but ok

Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,525

@805,518 (R)
It might be more constructive to couch that in terms of actual issues as the popular conception of right and left varies over time and from region to region. I'm not sure which violent attacks and leftist movements you are referring to. What kind of far right views haven't been acceptable to hold in the United States ever?

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,526

@805,524 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Have you been to the South?

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,530

@805,518 (R)
How are you defining far right and far left? George Wallace ran for president and got electoral votes as a third party, then went on to be Governor of Alabama from 1970-80 and was honored in Sweet Home Alabama "where the skies are so blue/and the governor's true". He was shot but lived. Left wingers MLK and RFK weren't so lucky. Ronald Reagan won overwhelmingly in the 80s. David Duke was the Republican nominee for governor of Louisiana in the early 90s and got 40% of the vote. Fucking Newt Gingrich ran the House in the 90s and every Republican sucked Grover Norquist's cock and signed the "no raising taxes" pledge.

Being far left...I don't know what you mean by that? Do you think Obama is far left? Democrats lost every presidential election from 1968 until 1992 with the exception of Carter, until Clinton pulled the Democrats sharply to the right with his Third Way Democrat platform. I think you just want to feel like your side is perpetually weak and the other side is infinitely powerful when that's not remotely true. Power ebbs and flows over time. Right wing power is higher now than it has been since 2005, but that will inevitably change too.

As for the racial stuff, right wingers play the race card constantly and indiscriminately. See: Southern Strategy/Nixon/Lee Atwater. My favorite example, in the 2000 south Carolina Republican primaries, Bush and McCain were the 2 front runners. The W. Bush camp, afraid they might lose, started smearing John McCain by saying he had fathered a black child out of wedlock, and used a picture of John McCain's daughter, who had dark skin, to illustrate their point. Only she wasn't born out of wedlock, she was an orphan John's wife Cindy had brought from Bangladesh to the US to have cleft palate surgery. They ended up feeling so attached to the child they kept her in the US. And yet this was used as a racial bludgeon to drive white voters away from John McCain (what honorable white Christian would vote for an adulterous race-mixer, after all?).

All sides use race and always have because it's a potent motivating force in the US. Right wingers generally use it as a dog whistle to coalesce the white vote, left wingers use it as a rallying cry to motivate the minority vote, but to pretend like one side uses it and another doesn't is just not remotely true.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

capt. squeegee joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,532

@805,525 (S)
racist ones. pretty much. can't really think of any other, they pretty much act however they want except the whole "political correctness" thing where they can't be flagrant racists becuase people shame them for it so they hide it and pretend the problem is they are oppressed.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,534

@805,526 (Meta)

- i do not like living in rural areas
- i have lived in and visited the us and find it culturally aggressive and uncomfortable. we left shortly after 9/11, at least partially due to fears for our physical safety.
- the south is known to be more racially charged than other regions
- i am visibly non-white
- i have been told i should stay the fuck out of alabama and arkansas by people who know me and those areas

Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,538

@805,530 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> All sides use race and always have because it's a potent motivating force in the US. Right wingers generally use it as a dog whistle to coalesce the white vote, left wingers use it as a rallying cry to motivate the minority vote, but to pretend like one side uses it and another doesn't is just not remotely true.

the fact that he has a nigger baby is what was important to add credibility to the rumor in the first place that he is unfaithful- which is controversial, not the fact that he was a 'race-mixer'. pretty easy to dismiss a rumor like that if the kid looks like the parents. a lot harder when the kids obviously a different color. falling for that shit is pleb tier, tho most americans on both sides are plebs. conservatives now subscribe and endorse (something they've made painfully obvious this entire campaign/presidency) into the civic nationalism meme

left and right in this context would be far right, authoritarian views and far left, authoritarian views. facism (actual facism not what a lot of you probly call facism) and communism respectively. in the context of history both ideologies are polar opposites and mortal enemies. it's very easy to see where the general population falls by asking yourself this- "What would happen if I walked down the street with an X flag, and shouting things from X ideology". and it would play out in two different ways:

1. Me with my WWII swastika flag, walk down the street shouting "the jews control this, blacks are subhuman blah blah". Crowds of people yell at me, the local news condemns me, some of people even assault me. in the end im taken away in handcuffs, arrested along with my attackers, if they're even identified. a petition springs up regarding my place of employment, and im promptly fired.

2. Me with my CCCP flag, walk down the street shouting "the goods of whites need to be seized and redistributed to the oppressed minorities, all injustices are caused by white malice blah blah". I walk down the street without too much hassle. maybe someone yells at me that im retarded. certainly nobody important condemns me. im not assaulted. im not fired from my job. the news doesn't report on me.

you might say that shit like that would never happen, that in the second situation they would be hassled, but i live in a major city and i see shit like that all the time. usually the people in situation 1. aren't even nazis, they just fall right of far left like myself. but i never say what my views are because i know that it will likely end up with me being attacked. my 'objectionable' views btw are that im opposed to the LGBT movement (tho not gay people or gays getting married) because im opposed to sexuality being in the open in general, which is what i think its become (im also opposed to casual sex as well, its not just applied to gays). im also generally opposed to high immigration rates, and much of how welfare is structured, as well as much of Islam, because i'm intimately familiar with it and have even lived on the arabian peninsula for several years. you might not realize it because you dont have those views, but saying shit like "i dont support the LGBT community, Islam, or immigration" etc will have real world effects on your life, regardless of how legitimate your criticism is.

Anonymous S replied with this 9 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,539

@805,532 (capt. squeegee)
Racist views aren't generally acceptable now, and I agree that some racists try to play it as oppression. But I don't see how someone could make a case for saying that racist views haven't been acceptable in the United States ever.

Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,540

@previous (S)

you race you pay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,545

@805,538 (R)
> the context of history both ideologies are polar opposites and mortal enemies. it's very easy to see where the general population falls by asking yourself this- "What would happen if I walked down the street with an X flag, and shouting things from X ideology". and it would play out in two different ways:
This is a pretty lazy way of thinking about things. It doesn't involve any actual evidence or knowledge of issues. It's just you asking yourself "What do i think other people would think if some third hypothetical group of people did x". Of course you aren't going to learn anything from this you didn't already know, and you are just going to believe what you already believed to begin with. But if you want my take on this question, I'd say it depends on where you are. In a city like NYC/Chicago nazis would definitely be more hated than communists. In the suburbs I think it would be about an even split, and in rural areas I think communists would be more hated than nazis. But again, this doesn't "prove" anything, it's just intellectual self-gratification.

You seem generally conservative to me, and obviously I'm pretty liberal and I'm going to disagree with you. I don't see how with a Trump/Pence presidency and a republican controlled Congress you feel like you aren't getting adequate political representation. If you feel like your beliefs are in the minority then you're probably right on some issues, but every single person in the course of their life will have opinions of theirs be in the minority. Look at what happened to Emmett Till for the crime of talking to a white woman in the deep south in the 50s. You are not facing that kind of hostility. If you have an opinion that most people think is offensively wrong, and you say it loudly, people are going to give you shit for it. If you're right, then you should be able to defend yourself intelligently. If you try and they don't agree with you, then that's just how it goes. You can't force everyone to respect every opinion.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,546

@805,514 (R)
what far left activity
there hasn't been any since the early 1970s
1980s if you include central americas

Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,548

@805,515 (R)

> just because i know itll get some butthurt in such a fragile namefagged community
> nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

you are one silly sausage

Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,549

@805,520 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
All anons like living in isolated, rural areas. It just makes sense. You should try it.

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,552

@805,511 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> letting them fester in darkness is how we got to where we are today
> they must be exposed and destroyed
They'll never be eradicated. They'll always exist at some baseline level, even in places like Germany that go to insane lengths to suppress them. How many more people know about the Daily Stormer now than if the media hadn't given Andrew Anglin 24/7 coverage? How many more people know about Richard Spencer?

There are a lot of messed up, broken, people who flock to extremism. They don't care about being a pariah because they feel society has failed them and they have nothing to lose. Constant press coverage of everything Richard Spencer does sends the following messages:
* People are really scared of Nazis
* This alt-Nazi/neo-Right thing is gaining traction
* If you want to scare and upset people, get a Tiki Torch and protest statue removals.

The second point is the most critical. More and more and more coverage of nazis is going to make these broken people think "hey I wanna be a Nazi on TV too, I'll set up a website and be the next Anglin".

MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2 replied with this 9 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,674

@805,530 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
why would you wall of text a dude who is spamming slurs
why do I keep asking you this

Anonymous V joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,685

@805,545 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> You can't force everyone to respect every opinion.
i dont expect that fag, but i do expect to not be physically assaulted over words. link very relevant:
http://www.dailycal.org/2017/02/07/violence-self-defense/

> It doesn't involve any actual evidence or knowledge of issues.
ok how about this. 75% of college faculties consider themselves liberal or far left. in history departments the ratio of liberal to conservatives is 33-1. Both major political parties outright denounce white supremacist and neo-nazi activity, every major news network actively denounces white supremacist activity, and powerful far left lobbying groups such as the ADL and SPLC actively monitor and label groups they see as such.

my point being that its clearly more acceptable (and by that i mean generally accepted) to be a communist, then to be an outspoken facist. i doubt you could find a single facist leaning professor in academia in the entire united states, while i could find a dozen openly communist or anarchist professors at my uni today. the same goes for any position, really. the whole 'punch a nazi' mem that everyone is spouting is incredibly indicative of this. inb4 outdated and unenforced mcarthy era laws

@805,546 (Sheila LaBoof)
> what far left activity
> there hasn't been any since the early 1970s
what is antifa and BLM. there graffiti is literally everywhere, and theyve put several people in the hospital less than a mile away from me. all because of opinions. there will always be crazies on both sides, but at least at the moment universal condemnation is entirely one way.

vocalon joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 40 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,686

@805,518 (R)
dog do you even know what the fuck you're saying right now? like, sure, far right relative to the overton window is unacceptably far right but that's not because it's socially unacceptable, it's literally because there's no further right to go. and far left relative to the overton window is absolutely acceptable because "far left, but in the overton window" stops at obama, despite obama being much further right than anyone is willing to admit.

MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2 replied with this 9 years ago, 43 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #805,688

@805,685 (V)
> i do expect to not be physically assaulted over words
that's unusual

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 9 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,785

@805,549 (M)
i'm not anon i'm pseudonymous and only barely that

Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,786

@805,685 (V)
That's because the truth has a liberal bias! ?

Checkmate Rethuglicunts ?

Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,814

@805,688 (MORDOR !6uqY/xWyg2)
> >i do expect to not be physically assaulted over words
> that's unusual
why do you live in some shithole where freedom of speech isn't protected or something? your feelings get hurt so bad and you have so little self control that you assault people who say things you dont like?

@805,686 (vocalon)
> dog do you even know what the fuck you're saying right now? like, sure, far right relative to the overton window is unacceptably far right but that's not because it's socially unacceptable, it's literally because there's no further right to go. and far left relative to the overton window is absolutely acceptable because "far left, but in the overton window" stops at obama, despite obama being much further right than anyone is willing to admit.
i would hardly call identity politics (just an extension of marxism really) and open communism/anarchism the same as obama. its literally as far left as you can go, the polar opposite of literal facism. far left is socially acceptable because the overton window is already shifted somewhere farther left than middle, to the point where even moderate and general conservative views are seen as 'extreme'.

the more the far left cuts off moderates and non extremist conservatives for being 'unacceptably' far right, the more people they're going to create who push against them, and side with actual extremists. they're going to create the 'far right' threat that they think exists now out of people who are moderates. the role of the media and academia in this is pretty complicit but thats a whole other topic to be explored.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,816

@previous (R)

> > >i do expect to not be physically assaulted over words
> > that's unusual
> why do you live in some shithole where freedom of speech isn't protected or something? your feelings get hurt so bad and you have so little self control that you assault people who say things you dont like?
>
>
> > dog do you even know what the fuck you're saying right now? like, sure, far right relative to the overton window is unacceptably far right but that's not because it's socially unacceptable, it's literally because there's no further right to go. and far left relative to the overton window is absolutely acceptable because "far left, but in the overton window" stops at obama, despite obama being much further right than anyone is willing to admit.
> i would hardly call identity politics (just an extension of marxism really) and open communism/anarchism the same as obama. its literally as far left as you can go, the polar opposite of literal facism. far left is socially acceptable because the overton window is already shifted somewhere farther left than middle, to the point where even moderate and general conservative views are seen as 'extreme'.
>
> the more the far left cuts off moderates and non extremist conservatives for being 'unacceptably' far right, the more people they're going to create who push against them, and side with actual extremists. they're going to create the 'far right' threat that they think exists now out of people who are moderates. the role of the media and academia in this is pretty complicit but thats a whole other topic to be explored.

horseshit

Anonymous V replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,852

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)

> > > >i do expect to not be physically assaulted over words
> > > that's unusual
> > why do you live in some shithole where freedom of speech isn't protected or something? your feelings get hurt so bad and you have so little self control that you assault people who say things you dont like?
> >
> >
> > > dog do you even know what the fuck you're saying right now? like, sure, far right relative to the overton window is unacceptably far right but that's not because it's socially unacceptable, it's literally because there's no further right to go. and far left relative to the overton window is absolutely acceptable because "far left, but in the overton window" stops at obama, despite obama being much further right than anyone is willing to admit.
> > i would hardly call identity politics (just an extension of marxism really) and open communism/anarchism the same as obama. its literally as far left as you can go, the polar opposite of literal facism. far left is socially acceptable because the overton window is already shifted somewhere farther left than middle, to the point where even moderate and general conservative views are seen as 'extreme'.
> >
> > the more the far left cuts off moderates and non extremist conservatives for being 'unacceptably' far right, the more people they're going to create who push against them, and side with actual extremists. they're going to create the 'far right' threat that they think exists now out of people who are moderates. the role of the media and academia in this is pretty complicit but thats a whole other topic to be explored.
>
> horseshit
well, academia is dominated left, media is dominated left, major companies follow left dogma, every major city leans left... so where is the horseshit exactly? or maybe you're just someone that doesn't think communism is as bad as facism. probly that, since most of america is shifted far enough left of moderate to think that

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,857

@previous (V)

> > > > >i do expect to not be physically assaulted over words
> > > > that's unusual
> > > why do you live in some shithole where freedom of speech isn't protected or something? your feelings get hurt so bad and you have so little self control that you assault people who say things you dont like?
> > >
> > >
> > > > dog do you even know what the fuck you're saying right now? like, sure, far right relative to the overton window is unacceptably far right but that's not because it's socially unacceptable, it's literally because there's no further right to go. and far left relative to the overton window is absolutely acceptable because "far left, but in the overton window" stops at obama, despite obama being much further right than anyone is willing to admit.
> > > i would hardly call identity politics (just an extension of marxism really) and open communism/anarchism the same as obama. its literally as far left as you can go, the polar opposite of literal facism. far left is socially acceptable because the overton window is already shifted somewhere farther left than middle, to the point where even moderate and general conservative views are seen as 'extreme'.
> > >
> > > the more the far left cuts off moderates and non extremist conservatives for being 'unacceptably' far right, the more people they're going to create who push against them, and side with actual extremists. they're going to create the 'far right' threat that they think exists now out of people who are moderates. the role of the media and academia in this is pretty complicit but thats a whole other topic to be explored.
> >
> > horseshit
> well, academia is dominated left, media is dominated left, major companies follow left dogma, every major city leans left... so where is the horseshit exactly? or maybe you're just someone that doesn't think communism is as bad as facism. probly that, since most of america is shifted far enough left of moderate to think that

what the fuck do you think "left" means

Anonymous V replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,859

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
> what the fuck do you think "left" means
here you go since you dont seem to know:
> politicalsquare.jpg

vocalon replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,869

@805,814 (R)
oh okay so you dont actually know what youre saying

do you honest to god think donald "they attacked us - i mean they attacked the altright" trump being in power moved the window left because have i got some fucking news for you bud

Anonymous S replied with this 9 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,870

Ah, the hard right is whining about how the world is left biased because it doesn't agree with them.

Wow, sorry you feel so oppressed snowflake.

Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,873

@805,869 (vocalon)
@previous (S)
> oh okay so you dont actually know what youre saying
>
> do you honest to god think donald "they attacked us - i mean they attacked the altright" trump being in power moved the window left because have i got some fucking news for you bud

you retards dont get that the reason far right is on the upswing is because far left has been the norm. why do you think trump got elected in the first place? people are rebelling against anything left of center. the fact that you just tried to represent my argument like that shows you dont even understand what im talking about in the first place

Anonymous S replied with this 9 years ago, 30 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,877

@previous (R)
Do you have an argument outside of platitudes and hypothetical scenarios?

vocalon replied with this 9 years ago, 25 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #805,886

@805,873 (R)
lol 10/10 bud

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