Topic: I kind of wish there were transgender queens in human history.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM started this discussion 9 years ago #64,681
Even if only just one. I guess I like the idea that a leader of a nation went from male to female as if it were from some legend that was only previously assumed to be a work of fiction. It just seems like something that could have been written about in popular myth. Yes, I know about Elagabalus, but we have no possible way of knowing for sure what gender he identified as.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 22 minutes later[^] [v] #803,467
Winston Churchill was trans
Abraham Lincoln was trans
William of Orange was trans
Alexander the great was trans
Abraham Lincoln was trans
William of Orange was trans
Alexander the great was trans
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #803,469
Meta joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 23 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #803,473
ugh
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@OP
Mentally ill paraphiles aren't fit to lead. We ignored or killed off anyone you'd relate to for reasons of social fitness.
Sorry Cath.
Mentally ill paraphiles aren't fit to lead. We ignored or killed off anyone you'd relate to for reasons of social fitness.
Sorry Cath.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #803,520
The question of Elagabalus' sexual orientation is confused, owing to salacious and unreliable sources. Elagabalus married and divorced five women,[47] three of whom are known. His first wife was Julia Cornelia Paula;[45] the second was the Vestal Virgin Julia Aquilia Severa.[45][50]Within a year, he abandoned her and married Annia Aurelia Faustina,[45] a descendant of Marcus Aurelius and the widow of a man he had recently had executed. He had returned to his second wife Severa by the end of the year.[47] According to Cassius Dio, his most stable relationship seems to have been with his chariot driver, a blond slave from Caria named Hierocles, whom he referred to as his husband.[38]
The Augustan History claims that he also married a man named Zoticus, an athlete from Smyrna, in a public ceremony at Rome.[51] Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate his body hair and wear wigs before prostituting himself in taverns, brothels,[52] and even in the imperial palace:
Finally, he set aside a room in the palace and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room, as the harlots do, and shaking the curtain which hung from gold rings, while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers-by. There were, of course, men who had been specially instructed to play their part. For, as in other matters, so in this business, too, he had numerous agents who sought out those who could best please him by their foulness. He would collect money from his patrons and give himself airs over his gains; he would also dispute with his associates in this shameful occupation, claiming that he had more lovers than they and took in more money.[53]
Herodian commented that Elagabalus enhanced his natural good looks by the regular application of cosmetics.[45] He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia.[39] Elagabalus has been characterized by some modern writers as transgender.[54][55][56]
brie !iFDoautiSM joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #803,903
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