Topic: Should the prison system be eliminated?
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #6,423
I'd favor a slow, gradual change to rehabilitation facilities that focused on treating the root of the problem that caused the person to commit the crime.
The first step would be putting drug users into rehab and detox. They could overcome their addiction here.
Violent offenders would spend a long time in group therapy, and anger management classes.
People would be educated in the program, and when they had sufficient skills, be given a good job. They would not want to get involved in crime if they had a good life.
The change would not be overnight, but it would be a shift away from the current system. We have to start treating people better. Right now people come out of prison more violent, and with less options then when they came in. Prisons beget crime, that needs to change.
The first step would be putting drug users into rehab and detox. They could overcome their addiction here.
Violent offenders would spend a long time in group therapy, and anger management classes.
People would be educated in the program, and when they had sufficient skills, be given a good job. They would not want to get involved in crime if they had a good life.
The change would not be overnight, but it would be a shift away from the current system. We have to start treating people better. Right now people come out of prison more violent, and with less options then when they came in. Prisons beget crime, that needs to change.
nimj joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #111,449
What about the loony murderers, OP?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #111,452
Problem is, OP, some people are beyond rehabilitation.
(Edited 14 seconds later.)
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #111,458
@111,449 (nimj)
OP said the prison system, which would not include state psychiatric wards... which is where the criminally insane really belong.
Currently, the loony murderers usually end up in prison where they just get even loonier and sometimes hurt other prisoners or guards.
OP said the prison system, which would not include state psychiatric wards... which is where the criminally insane really belong.
Currently, the loony murderers usually end up in prison where they just get even loonier and sometimes hurt other prisoners or guards.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #111,461
I agree with OP.
But for it to work, I think background checks should be forcibly abolished.
But for it to work, I think background checks should be forcibly abolished.
Prisoner of Love joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #111,472
I got in and now want OUT
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 12 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,012
> be given a good job
by the magical job fairy!
by the magical job fairy!
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,015
@OP
Not really. I might be committing political suicide by saying this, and be accused of selling out, but here it goes: I want to get away from the Kimmo stylesheet altogether. I want to get away from the idea of being a chan altogether. I want to create a discussion board that is more like a social network than anything else. It would be like Facebook, with the focus being on the board and real discussion rather than it focusing on groups, likes, wall-posts, pokes, games, etc. It would give you the option to post anonymously rather than forcing you to register, but registering and having a profile would be an option. It would be like twitter, but would encourage intelligent conversation rather than 100 character "tweets" that seem to be dumbing down the nation. It would be like a blog, but people would actually care about it, because rather than being a blog in the sense that it's a single website about you, it's interactive and everyone is tied together through the social network. You could have a "friends" list, but it would be more like a list of favorite posters where you watch for their posts/threads, rather than a restrictive list. It will be like Facebook WAS, back when people actually joined groups and went into the discussion tab to have actual discussion, before they started putting ridiculous restrictions on groups and encouraging people to just "like" corporations instead and have you play mindless games so they can sell your information to advertisers. You'd still have the same freedom of speech, and be able to post anything from chan bullshit to legitimate reporters using it as a medium to post their news articles or blogs. It would be like youtube, but the focus would be on discussion rather than video, but the idea of it being user generated content is the same. Privacy would never be an issue, because you'd still have the option to post anonymously and no logging in would be required.
I warned you it was political suicide. I know some of you must think I'm joking and that I just don't get it. I know I probably sound like Kimmo several years ago, posting about stuff where it was obvious to everyone but him that only he thought his ideas were a good idea. The difference is, I'm not a sociopath, I don't want to do this because I think I deserve a billion dollars, I don't think it's guaranteed to be the next big thing, and I understand that it's not for everyone, so I have no intention of spamming my site all over the god damn place trying to attract attention from people who will obviously hate it. I just know there are a lot of people just like me out there who miss the old youtube, miss the old facebook, hate the teenage drama of myspace, and are sickened by the watered down content and pointless updates of twitter. There are people out there who love the free speech of blogs and chan sites, but hate the meaningless shit that fills most chans and the fact that most blogs are just people who only want to talk about themselves or think they're real reporters because they have a website. I know the internet market is already flooded with so many social networking and sharing sites that I might just be insane. Maybe I really am like Kimmo and I'm trying to reinvent the wheel just because there's not a site out there that's not EXACTLY what I want it to be. If that's the case, just say so. If there's a social networking site out there that's ridiculously close to what I'm describing here, just say so, and I'll leave you alone and I'll go there instead. I'm not going to be like Kimmo and go ahead with an idea when everyone tells me it's lame and refuse to take any advice and call anyone who disagree with me a troll, but if you read this and you feel the same way, if your're like me and feel like there are millions of people out there who feel the same way we do, if your're sick of settling for what's already out there and feel like the internet needs a new niche for everyone who is like us...
JOIN ME
Or don't because I realize that was a little over the top.
Not really. I might be committing political suicide by saying this, and be accused of selling out, but here it goes: I want to get away from the Kimmo stylesheet altogether. I want to get away from the idea of being a chan altogether. I want to create a discussion board that is more like a social network than anything else. It would be like Facebook, with the focus being on the board and real discussion rather than it focusing on groups, likes, wall-posts, pokes, games, etc. It would give you the option to post anonymously rather than forcing you to register, but registering and having a profile would be an option. It would be like twitter, but would encourage intelligent conversation rather than 100 character "tweets" that seem to be dumbing down the nation. It would be like a blog, but people would actually care about it, because rather than being a blog in the sense that it's a single website about you, it's interactive and everyone is tied together through the social network. You could have a "friends" list, but it would be more like a list of favorite posters where you watch for their posts/threads, rather than a restrictive list. It will be like Facebook WAS, back when people actually joined groups and went into the discussion tab to have actual discussion, before they started putting ridiculous restrictions on groups and encouraging people to just "like" corporations instead and have you play mindless games so they can sell your information to advertisers. You'd still have the same freedom of speech, and be able to post anything from chan bullshit to legitimate reporters using it as a medium to post their news articles or blogs. It would be like youtube, but the focus would be on discussion rather than video, but the idea of it being user generated content is the same. Privacy would never be an issue, because you'd still have the option to post anonymously and no logging in would be required.
I warned you it was political suicide. I know some of you must think I'm joking and that I just don't get it. I know I probably sound like Kimmo several years ago, posting about stuff where it was obvious to everyone but him that only he thought his ideas were a good idea. The difference is, I'm not a sociopath, I don't want to do this because I think I deserve a billion dollars, I don't think it's guaranteed to be the next big thing, and I understand that it's not for everyone, so I have no intention of spamming my site all over the god damn place trying to attract attention from people who will obviously hate it. I just know there are a lot of people just like me out there who miss the old youtube, miss the old facebook, hate the teenage drama of myspace, and are sickened by the watered down content and pointless updates of twitter. There are people out there who love the free speech of blogs and chan sites, but hate the meaningless shit that fills most chans and the fact that most blogs are just people who only want to talk about themselves or think they're real reporters because they have a website. I know the internet market is already flooded with so many social networking and sharing sites that I might just be insane. Maybe I really am like Kimmo and I'm trying to reinvent the wheel just because there's not a site out there that's not EXACTLY what I want it to be. If that's the case, just say so. If there's a social networking site out there that's ridiculously close to what I'm describing here, just say so, and I'll leave you alone and I'll go there instead. I'm not going to be like Kimmo and go ahead with an idea when everyone tells me it's lame and refuse to take any advice and call anyone who disagree with me a troll, but if you read this and you feel the same way, if your're like me and feel like there are millions of people out there who feel the same way we do, if your're sick of settling for what's already out there and feel like the internet needs a new niche for everyone who is like us...
JOIN ME
Or don't because I realize that was a little over the top.
Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,269
Something major me thinks will happen here in California soon. Courts came down hard on this state re poor medical care for inmates. State now has a Fed court order that cannot be appealed this tyme.
So State is about to move a mass of prisoners out and into local prisons which are over the top and crowded. So I suspect a lot of people in for drug possession and not distribution will be released in mass very soon. State is too broke to keep them locked up any more.
So State is about to move a mass of prisoners out and into local prisons which are over the top and crowded. So I suspect a lot of people in for drug possession and not distribution will be released in mass very soon. State is too broke to keep them locked up any more.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,300
@112,015 (H)
I swear to god I saw "Broseph" as the author of that post. It must have been the association of a wall of text, I did a double take when I saw it was posted as anon.
I swear to god I saw "Broseph" as the author of that post. It must have been the association of a wall of text, I did a double take when I saw it was posted as anon.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 50 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,379
Why do drug users go to jail? I don't understand that.
They have a right to do whatever they'd like to their body.
They have a right to do whatever they'd like to their body.
The Editor !FuckWtfW8M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,384
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
Because politicians are under the impression that the moment someone gets high, they lose all better judgment and set out to rape and murder a girl in 1990.
Because politicians are under the impression that the moment someone gets high, they lose all better judgment and set out to rape and murder a girl in 1990.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,402
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,445
@112,379 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
Because they decided that cannabis was hurting the Egyptian cotton trade and banned it and then released a lot of propaganda saying how horrible it is and how violent it makes you.
Because they decided that cannabis was hurting the Egyptian cotton trade and banned it and then released a lot of propaganda saying how horrible it is and how violent it makes you.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,447
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,477
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,626
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 41 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,678
@112,379 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
You don't have the right to do whatever you want to your own body.
Some people are arguing that you should have that right.
One of them is Ron Paul. He is running for president in 2012. He also wants to end the wars,
You don't have the right to do whatever you want to your own body.
Some people are arguing that you should have that right.
One of them is Ron Paul. He is running for president in 2012. He also wants to end the wars,
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,738
I hope that one day we understand human psychology and behavioral therapy enough that we won't need prisons, but as long as there are people who are a threat to society and others and we don't know how to safely rehabilitate them, there will be a need to keep them in prison where they're less likely to hurt someone. You can't keep a psychotic murderer in a mental hospital because a mental hospital doesn't have the security and personnel to deal with them. Add that much security and personnel to a hospital, and it's basically a prison anyway. I do agree with OP though, that the goal should be to rehabilitate and prisons needs to focus more on helping the inmates. I don't believe prisons should be used for non-violent crimes.
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,761
Yes. We should deploy an assassin soon.
(Edited 9 minutes later.)
Unintentional Jackass !LASXURl1b6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,781
Yes. Instead, we should allocate a nation where those who disobey the rules of society are sent to. In this place, there should be no society, because they clearly do not wish to be a part of society, and it is in fact cruel to force them to remain a part of it.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,787
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #112,791
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
Statists believe that the government owns your body and is entitled to a percentage of your labor (slavery) and that only the government is fit to make decisions about what is good for your body.
This position (despite being mainstream and popular in the USA) is unconstitutional and an affront to good people everywhere.
Statists believe that the government owns your body and is entitled to a percentage of your labor (slavery) and that only the government is fit to make decisions about what is good for your body.
This position (despite being mainstream and popular in the USA) is unconstitutional and an affront to good people everywhere.