Topic: White racism exists, but it's social power is weak. The social power against it is overwhelming.
Anonymous A started this discussion 9 years ago #63,474
A child being born in poverty is more closely related to being born to an unwed mother, than being related to race. A black child born in poverty but in a traditional family structure is more likely to escape poverty than a white child born in poverty with a single parent.
White privilege is family structure, and has nothing to do with racism.
#blackfathersmatter
White privilege is family structure, and has nothing to do with racism.
#blackfathersmatter
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #793,675
@OP
The moral degeneracy of the negro is the White man's burden. Thanks.
The moral degeneracy of the negro is the White man's burden. Thanks.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 38 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #793,688
@OP
I read that daily stormer article too!
I read that daily stormer article too!
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #793,690
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 46 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #793,700
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Anonymous C replied with this 9 years ago, 43 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,723
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Not inherently. But it's not independent thought, it's the sort of thing propagated by racist outlets.
Keep in mind your agreement makes him look worse.
Not inherently. But it's not independent thought, it's the sort of thing propagated by racist outlets.
Keep in mind your agreement makes him look worse.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,724
@793,706 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
All facts which expose logical fallacies in sjw arguments are racist, obviously.
All facts which expose logical fallacies in sjw arguments are racist, obviously.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,746
privilege is pretty sweet, no one should feel bad about having it
everyone should get some of that
try to climb on the shoulders of others to get higher rather than kicking at their knees to bring them down
everyone should get some of that
try to climb on the shoulders of others to get higher rather than kicking at their knees to bring them down
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 39 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,748
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@793,746 (Sheila LaBoof)
> try to climb on the shoulders of others to get higher rather than kicking at their knees to bring them down
This guy gets it. It's one of the biggest issues I am facing now in Croatia. Instead of trying to make it better for themselves, they try to drag everyone else down to their level.
I have an open salary policy, but instead of motivating others to do better and earn higher bonuses, they started sabotaging others to earn smaller bonuses. Fucking retards.
> try to climb on the shoulders of others to get higher rather than kicking at their knees to bring them down
This guy gets it. It's one of the biggest issues I am facing now in Croatia. Instead of trying to make it better for themselves, they try to drag everyone else down to their level.
I have an open salary policy, but instead of motivating others to do better and earn higher bonuses, they started sabotaging others to earn smaller bonuses. Fucking retards.
Meta joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,787
@793,723 (C)> it's the sort of thing propagated by racist outlets.
> your agreement makes him look worse.
Boy, these are amazing arguments!
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,796
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,846
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Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 27 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,865
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #793,909
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #793,998
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Although there is nothing specifically racist about the article itself, it has a racist context. It is part of a greater network of racism and will function as ideological support for white supremacy.
Like I said, you're being mindfucked. Propaganda is interesting to observe.
Although there is nothing specifically racist about the article itself, it has a racist context. It is part of a greater network of racism and will function as ideological support for white supremacy.
Like I said, you're being mindfucked. Propaganda is interesting to observe.
(Edited 2 minutes later.)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,015
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 50 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,027
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,043
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,044
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,071
Anonymous I double-posted this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,074
@794,043 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Besides the point. Asking if propaganda is truthful or not is a meaningless question. It's presented to influence the reader to support a racist ideology, therefore it is racist.
Besides the point. Asking if propaganda is truthful or not is a meaningless question. It's presented to influence the reader to support a racist ideology, therefore it is racist.
(Edited 46 seconds later.)
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,087
@previous (I)
What is the racist
Ideology? That single mothers dont raise children as well as a two spouse household?
What is the racist
Ideology? That single mothers dont raise children as well as a two spouse household?
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,091
kettle replied with this 9 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,095
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,099
@794,027 (L)
exactly. normal people don't walk around thinking about "being white". that's kkk stuff. regular folk just don't give a shit.
exactly. normal people don't walk around thinking about "being white". that's kkk stuff. regular folk just don't give a shit.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,115
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,122
@previous (A)
Your topic constitutes a denial of the argument that one of the effects of racism against black people in modern day America is the disproportionate number of black people living in poverty.
It relies (as does all propaganda) on the use of a stereotype. In this case, the stereotype is that of the "runaway black father", as shown by your hashtag.
You also argue that racism is not a major factor in modern day America, a line of argument which is promoted by white supremacists. You can go on Stormfront and they have a whole section on how to spread the word.
Your topic constitutes a denial of the argument that one of the effects of racism against black people in modern day America is the disproportionate number of black people living in poverty.
It relies (as does all propaganda) on the use of a stereotype. In this case, the stereotype is that of the "runaway black father", as shown by your hashtag.
You also argue that racism is not a major factor in modern day America, a line of argument which is promoted by white supremacists. You can go on Stormfront and they have a whole section on how to spread the word.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #794,123
Anonymous C replied with this 9 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,251
@794,122 (I)
anon I is me with enough patience to explain things to kook in detail.
How do I be more like you when I'm older, me?
anon I is me with enough patience to explain things to kook in detail.
How do I be more like you when I'm older, me?
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,262
@794,122 (I)I'm very confused. As I read it, OP's argument posited:
1. Growing up in a two-parent household is more closely correlated to success than race.
2. A black child raised in a two-parent household is more likely to escape poverty than a white child with a single parent, all other things equal.
3. Therefore, what we see as "white privilege" is actually a lower incidence of single parent households in white communities, not due to anything inherent in whiteness.
According to the Centers for Disease Control National Vital Statistics Report (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_01.pdf) (table 15, page 45) 29.0% of non-hispanic white mothers had children born out of wedlock, whereas 72.5% of non-hispanic black mothers did in 2010.
According to Kids Count, using US Census data (http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/867,133,38,35,18/10,9,12,1,185,13/432,431) 25% of non-hispanic white children lived in single-parent households vs 67% of black children in 2011, which correlates pretty closely to the out of wedlock figures for both white and black.
I don't think that racial discrimination is causing it because it's been going up equally, for all races, since the 1950s. Presumably racial discrimination was worse then than it is now.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,269
@previous (Meta)
Escaping poverty is more likely growing up in a poor family with two parents, than in a poor family with only one. Regardless of race.
Being born into poverty is more likely the result of an unwed single mother. Regardless of race.
Escaping poverty is more likely growing up in a poor family with two parents, than in a poor family with only one. Regardless of race.
Being born into poverty is more likely the result of an unwed single mother. Regardless of race.
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,317
@794,262 (Meta)
There's a series of complicated reasons for this, you can't just tie it down to one thing and act like that's evidence that racism isn't so bad.
There's a series of complicated reasons for this, you can't just tie it down to one thing and act like that's evidence that racism isn't so bad.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,318
@previous (I)
Did you even look at the data? The illegitimacy rate has been going up for ALL races, equally, for the past 60 years.
Did you even look at the data? The illegitimacy rate has been going up for ALL races, equally, for the past 60 years.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,319
@794,317 (I)
Didn't you read the headline? You sound someone who empowers racism by attributing it more influence than it has.
Stop empowering racism. Thanks
Didn't you read the headline? You sound someone who empowers racism by attributing it more influence than it has.
Stop empowering racism. Thanks
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,321
it correlates with whoring out
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,323
@794,318 (Meta)
So you agree that blaming black fathers is a red herring. There is a disproportionate number of black children born out of wedlock, as your own data shows. This is a symptom of societal racism.
So you agree that blaming black fathers is a red herring. There is a disproportionate number of black children born out of wedlock, as your own data shows. This is a symptom of societal racism.
Anonymous N replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,324
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,326
@794,323 (I)
If it's racism then why is the white illegitimacy rate rising along with the black one? If it was racism wouldn't you expect a flat (or declining) white rate?
If it's racism then why is the white illegitimacy rate rising along with the black one? If it was racism wouldn't you expect a flat (or declining) white rate?
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,334
@previous (Meta)
> If it's racism then why is the white illegitimacy rate rising along with the black one?
do you ask nonsense questions on purpose?? you are really good at it
> If it's racism then why is the white illegitimacy rate rising along with the black one?
do you ask nonsense questions on purpose?? you are really good at it
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 12 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,470
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,471
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,481
@previous (I)
But black people do have more single parent households. They also have more children out of wedlock.
But black people do have more single parent households. They also have more children out of wedlock.
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Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,482
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 17 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,541
Anonymous I double-posted this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,590
Anonymous N replied with this 9 years ago, 37 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,591
@previous (I)
I don't think you understand that statistics aren't racist. Please stop empowering racism
I don't think you understand that statistics aren't racist. Please stop empowering racism
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,605
@794,541 (I)
Okay so what he said is true but its also wrong because its a common occurrence and people acknowledge that its a common occurrence?
Okay so what he said is true but its also wrong because its a common occurrence and people acknowledge that its a common occurrence?
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 16 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,611
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
No, it's wrong because it exists to be (and regularly is) used as a tool to oppress and divide people.
No, it's wrong because it exists to be (and regularly is) used as a tool to oppress and divide people.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,635
@previous (I)
Its a way that people oppress themselves. These issues hurt black people. Talking about them doesnt hurt anything.
Its a way that people oppress themselves. These issues hurt black people. Talking about them doesnt hurt anything.
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 7 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,670
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
In this very thread it is being used to assert that whites are not prejudiced against blacks. Categorising human beings like furniture is immoral. I'm sure you hate being stereotyped, you fat hairy incestuous swamp-dwelling crack head.
In this very thread it is being used to assert that whites are not prejudiced against blacks. Categorising human beings like furniture is immoral. I'm sure you hate being stereotyped, you fat hairy incestuous swamp-dwelling crack head.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,684
memes
Bypel !dtoX7WoGz6 joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,691
@OP
> A black child born in poverty but in a traditional family structure is more likely to escape poverty than a white child born in poverty with a single parent.
Where's the evidence?
@793,746 (Sheila LaBoof)
> everyone should get some [privilege]
by definition impossible
@794,323 (I)
> There is a disproportionate number of black children born out of wedlock, as your own data shows. This is a symptom of societal racism.
I don't see how that follows
@794,670 (I)
> Categorising humanity is wrong
???
> A black child born in poverty but in a traditional family structure is more likely to escape poverty than a white child born in poverty with a single parent.
Where's the evidence?
@793,746 (Sheila LaBoof)
> everyone should get some [privilege]
by definition impossible
@794,323 (I)
> There is a disproportionate number of black children born out of wedlock, as your own data shows. This is a symptom of societal racism.
I don't see how that follows
@794,670 (I)
> Categorising humanity is wrong
???
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 39 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,693
@previous (Bypel !dtoX7WoGz6)
I don't really care enough about the subject to argue with you, I was talking to Kook.
I don't really care enough about the subject to argue with you, I was talking to Kook.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,704
@794,670 (I)
No it was used to assert that poverty and single parent households are more detrimental to blacks than racism.
No it was used to assert that poverty and single parent households are more detrimental to blacks than racism.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,718
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
> No it was used to assert that poverty and single parent households are more detrimental to blacks than racism.
Racialized inequality is racism. Black poverty is a result of institutional racism. You choose to believe that it isn't, so why have this discussion
you're retarded
@794,693 (I)
you're retarded
@794,591 (N)
you're retarded
> No it was used to assert that poverty and single parent households are more detrimental to blacks than racism.
Racialized inequality is racism. Black poverty is a result of institutional racism. You choose to believe that it isn't, so why have this discussion
you're retarded
@794,693 (I)
you're retarded
@794,591 (N)
you're retarded
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,720
Anonymous O replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,723
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 18 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,727
@794,691 (Bypel !dtoX7WoGz6)
> > everyone should get some [privilege]
> by definition impossible
>
>
no it isn't
> > everyone should get some [privilege]
> by definition impossible
>
>
no it isn't
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Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,755
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,756
@794,718 (Meta)
Okay but why was the illegitimacy rate lower in the 1950s, during the height of Jim Crow, redlining, segregation, etc? Is that not institutional racism?
Second, if it is institutional racism, then why is the illegitimacy rate going up for whites, at the same rate? Wouldn't whites be unaffected if it was racism?
Okay but why was the illegitimacy rate lower in the 1950s, during the height of Jim Crow, redlining, segregation, etc? Is that not institutional racism?
Second, if it is institutional racism, then why is the illegitimacy rate going up for whites, at the same rate? Wouldn't whites be unaffected if it was racism?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,794
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 8 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,851
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sam hyde here i enjoy shooting black peopleSheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 6 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,871
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,879
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 19 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,880
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,902
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 9 years ago, 23 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,919
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 45 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,923
@794,902 (I)
Everyone acts in their own self interest. I dont hurt blacks more than they hurt themselves.
Everyone acts in their own self interest. I dont hurt blacks more than they hurt themselves.
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 20 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #794,928
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 8 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #795,003
@794,923 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Maybe you, an individual, don't, but Western culture does. And no, very few people will always act in their own self-interest.
Maybe you, an individual, don't, but Western culture does. And no, very few people will always act in their own self-interest.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #795,004
I fuck up a lot though and screw myself out of good things
Anonymous O replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #795,013
@794,879 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
> Well I prefer to rely on evidence and not feelings
> kook
actually laughed out loud
> Well I prefer to rely on evidence and not feelings
> kook
actually laughed out loud