Topic: So that Comey testimony
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU started this discussion 9 years ago #62,973
What were your thoughts fora?
Syntax joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later[^] [v] #790,106
He said she said.
Lynch now in for some real lynching.
Comey now painted as a leakier so Trump camp will be throwing stones
Sad but true overall the Trump camp will probably end up saying Nothing of value was lost.
Lynch now in for some real lynching.
Comey now painted as a leakier so Trump camp will be throwing stones
Sad but true overall the Trump camp will probably end up saying Nothing of value was lost.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,109
I think that Trump has come out looking like a mora, which is very unlike him.
Meta joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,110
I didn't watch any of it. Was it good?
Apparently there wasn't any, like, huge bombshell and the whole thing seems a bit of a letdown.
Apparently there wasn't any, like, huge bombshell and the whole thing seems a bit of a letdown.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,111
@790,109 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> I think that Trump has come out looking like a mora, which is very unlike him.
what?
> I think that Trump has come out looking like a mora, which is very unlike him.
what?
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,112
@790,110 (Meta)
100% of it but listened cause of multi-tasking in prep for a meeting
Yea it was good and a tiny bomb shell over pressure by his Attorney General during Obama admin on terminology - Meeting to run2 so you will have to look4 details
100% of it but listened cause of multi-tasking in prep for a meeting
Yea it was good and a tiny bomb shell over pressure by his Attorney General during Obama admin on terminology - Meeting to run2 so you will have to look4 details
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 54 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,113
@790,111 (E)
I was being sarcastic, Ninjj. He handled Comey very badly and it's biting him in the ass.
I was being sarcastic, Ninjj. He handled Comey very badly and it's biting him in the ass.
brie !kiTty82duI joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,114
Comey likes to feed seagulls at the beach.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,116
@790,112 (Syntax)
Another "meeting" eh? You sure sound busy. It is amazing how you manage to find the time to post on Minichan 19 hours per day.
Another "meeting" eh? You sure sound busy. It is amazing how you manage to find the time to post on Minichan 19 hours per day.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,117
@previous (G)
I used to post on Minichan at work all the time. If you have a smartphone its not that hard.
I used to post on Minichan at work all the time. If you have a smartphone its not that hard.
Anonymous G replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,118
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 13 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #790,121
@previous (G)
The real danger is using company computers. I NEVER do anything personal on a company computer EVER.
The real danger is using company computers. I NEVER do anything personal on a company computer EVER.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 57 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #790,128
@790,110 (Meta)
I found it fascinating. Some key takeaways:
1. Comey found trump to be fundamentally dishonest and untrustworthy, beyond any other politician he had encountered in his 10+ years in federal law enforcement. So much so that he wrote memoranda immediately after every 1 on 1 encounter he had with Trump.
2. Comey confirmed Trump asked Comey for his "loyalty" (the unstated being personal loyalty to donald trump, not loyalty to the constitution or loyalty in the abstract). Comey stated that he thought Trump was trying to establish a "patronage relationship". This is after Comey recounts at least 3 occasions on which Trump praised Comey and promised that he was keeping him on board as FBI director. Comey was slightly confused why, after promising he would stay on board, Trump would renege and make his job security contingent on accepting a pledge of loyalty which he absolutely could not ethically or legally make.
2. Comey confirmed Trump asked him to nix the investigation into Flynn
3. Flynn was in serious "legal jeopardy" at the time Trump made the request. He danced around the reasons but it seemed like he lied to FBI investigators under oath, and lied on various federal financial disclosure forms.
4. Flynn's memos were shared among senior FBI staff but not sent up the chain of command because Sessions' recusal was imminent and it was unclear if anyone above him would even do anything about it (<--I think he had another, better reason but I haven't rewatched it) Speaking of sessions, there was a second reason that Comey didn't tell Sessions about it, but that reason could only be disclosed in a closed door meeting (my guess, Sessions is neck deep in this scandal too)
5. Comey confirmed that Trump asked him to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation. Comey confirmed that he had mentioned to Trump 3 times that Trump was not personally under investigation, and Trump wanted him to mention that publicly, but Comey decided not to for two reasons, first because it would create a "duty to correct" should that ever change, and two, because inevitably questions would go down the chain of command. (i.e. Is Pence under investigation? Is Sessions? etc.)
6. Comey says the White House reports about the reason he was fired regarding the FBI in disarray and his treatment of Hillary Clinton's email server were "lies". I can't remember the last time the former head of the FBI accused the President of blatantly lying.
7. Comey, when asked if he thought Trump's actions amounted to Obstruction of Justice, said that was a question Mueller would investigate. Which is code for "of course it is but I can't say that.
8. John McCain is senile. Not like a joke. The dude legit said "President Comey" and couldn't understand why Hillary wasn't being investigated for colluding with the Russians.
If I think of more I'll make another post. Watching the Republicans twist in the wind trying to find some kind of excuse for Trump was hilarious. One guy, I can't remember who, said basically "Well it can't be obstruction of justice because Trump only asked you on two occasions to alter your investigations and you didn't. Which is fine until you realize that Comey is sitting there because Trump FUCKING FIRED HIM and said it was to put the Russia investigation to bed, TO THE RUSSIANS IN THE FUCKING OVAL OFFICE. I hope their entire party burns down. They are a disgrace.
I found it fascinating. Some key takeaways:
1. Comey found trump to be fundamentally dishonest and untrustworthy, beyond any other politician he had encountered in his 10+ years in federal law enforcement. So much so that he wrote memoranda immediately after every 1 on 1 encounter he had with Trump.
2. Comey confirmed Trump asked Comey for his "loyalty" (the unstated being personal loyalty to donald trump, not loyalty to the constitution or loyalty in the abstract). Comey stated that he thought Trump was trying to establish a "patronage relationship". This is after Comey recounts at least 3 occasions on which Trump praised Comey and promised that he was keeping him on board as FBI director. Comey was slightly confused why, after promising he would stay on board, Trump would renege and make his job security contingent on accepting a pledge of loyalty which he absolutely could not ethically or legally make.
2. Comey confirmed Trump asked him to nix the investigation into Flynn
3. Flynn was in serious "legal jeopardy" at the time Trump made the request. He danced around the reasons but it seemed like he lied to FBI investigators under oath, and lied on various federal financial disclosure forms.
4. Flynn's memos were shared among senior FBI staff but not sent up the chain of command because Sessions' recusal was imminent and it was unclear if anyone above him would even do anything about it (<--I think he had another, better reason but I haven't rewatched it) Speaking of sessions, there was a second reason that Comey didn't tell Sessions about it, but that reason could only be disclosed in a closed door meeting (my guess, Sessions is neck deep in this scandal too)
5. Comey confirmed that Trump asked him to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation. Comey confirmed that he had mentioned to Trump 3 times that Trump was not personally under investigation, and Trump wanted him to mention that publicly, but Comey decided not to for two reasons, first because it would create a "duty to correct" should that ever change, and two, because inevitably questions would go down the chain of command. (i.e. Is Pence under investigation? Is Sessions? etc.)
6. Comey says the White House reports about the reason he was fired regarding the FBI in disarray and his treatment of Hillary Clinton's email server were "lies". I can't remember the last time the former head of the FBI accused the President of blatantly lying.
7. Comey, when asked if he thought Trump's actions amounted to Obstruction of Justice, said that was a question Mueller would investigate. Which is code for "of course it is but I can't say that.
8. John McCain is senile. Not like a joke. The dude legit said "President Comey" and couldn't understand why Hillary wasn't being investigated for colluding with the Russians.
If I think of more I'll make another post. Watching the Republicans twist in the wind trying to find some kind of excuse for Trump was hilarious. One guy, I can't remember who, said basically "Well it can't be obstruction of justice because Trump only asked you on two occasions to alter your investigations and you didn't. Which is fine until you realize that Comey is sitting there because Trump FUCKING FIRED HIM and said it was to put the Russia investigation to bed, TO THE RUSSIANS IN THE FUCKING OVAL OFFICE. I hope their entire party burns down. They are a disgrace.
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FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #790,129
I know McCain was injured in an explosion which is why his mouth is messed up, but it seemed like he couldn't coherently form a thought into words well enough to make the point he was apparently trying to make through his questions.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,130
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,133
@previous (I)
I have watched baseball with old people. When they get tired watching sports or movies they fall asleep. That's a CYA story.
I have watched baseball with old people. When they get tired watching sports or movies they fall asleep. That's a CYA story.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,134
@790,128 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Trump seems like a big loyalty person. I think part of it because Trump isn't a politician but a businessman by training. In business you need loyalty and this what Trump has come to expect from his people.
This one bugs the hell out of me:
Really? "Duty to Correct"? Like it would have been so very hard for Comey to call a press conference and announce that circumstances had changed and Trump or someone in the administration was now under investigation?
Reading this makes me think it was the failure to lift the cloud not the loyalty thing that caused Trump to fire Comey.
Trump seems like a big loyalty person. I think part of it because Trump isn't a politician but a businessman by training. In business you need loyalty and this what Trump has come to expect from his people.
This one bugs the hell out of me:
5. Comey confirmed that Trump asked him to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation. Comey confirmed that he had mentioned to Trump 3 times that Trump was not personally under investigation, and Trump wanted him to mention that publicly, but Comey decided not to for two reasons, first because it would create a "duty to correct" should that ever change, and two, because inevitably questions would go down the chain of command. (i.e. Is Pence under investigation? Is Sessions? etc.)
Really? "Duty to Correct"? Like it would have been so very hard for Comey to call a press conference and announce that circumstances had changed and Trump or someone in the administration was now under investigation?
Reading this makes me think it was the failure to lift the cloud not the loyalty thing that caused Trump to fire Comey.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,135
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,141
@790,134 (Meta)
Do you remember the ABSOLUTE SHITSTORM that his letter reopening the Clinton email case in November caused? Now imagine instead of that, he was saying "Actually we are now investigating the President for colluding with Russia to undermine the integrity of the U.S. election." I absolutely do not fault him for wanting to avoid a Category Five shit hurricane. I don't think he was fired for just one reason, but it was likely the combination of him refusing to pledge loyalty which resulted in him not doing trump's bidding on Flynn and Russia, hampering Trump's presidency and ultimately resulting in him getting fired. Whatever the reason, it was not the ones laid out by Huckabee-Sanders, that Comey had comitted "atrocities" at the FBI and Comey was too mean to Hillary Clinton. Which was the offical™ position of the White House until 2 days later when Trump said it was to get the Russia investigation off his back.
Do you remember the ABSOLUTE SHITSTORM that his letter reopening the Clinton email case in November caused? Now imagine instead of that, he was saying "Actually we are now investigating the President for colluding with Russia to undermine the integrity of the U.S. election." I absolutely do not fault him for wanting to avoid a Category Five shit hurricane. I don't think he was fired for just one reason, but it was likely the combination of him refusing to pledge loyalty which resulted in him not doing trump's bidding on Flynn and Russia, hampering Trump's presidency and ultimately resulting in him getting fired. Whatever the reason, it was not the ones laid out by Huckabee-Sanders, that Comey had comitted "atrocities" at the FBI and Comey was too mean to Hillary Clinton. Which was the offical™ position of the White House until 2 days later when Trump said it was to get the Russia investigation off his back.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,146
Meta double-posted this 9 years ago, 26 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,150
Seriously though you don't give a damn if Flynn violated the Logan Act or not. You just think it's bad because it's one of Trump's former guys.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,194
@790,146 (Meta)
@previous (Meta)
The Logan Act was something fringe left wingers were talking about lol. Again, we don't know exactly what Flynn did because the investigation is ongoing and there haven't been leaks, but there are at least two issues floating around. One, which is basically all but officially confirmed, is that he failed to register as a foreign agent under FARA, during the transition and during his time as National Security Adviser. Basically, he was paid by Turkish interests to advocate for the government of Turkey, which led him to do things like write an article for The Hill, and more distressingly, oppose a plan to strike ISIS that Turkey didn't like. Just to repeat myself, the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars of undisclosed money from a foreign lobbying firm in exchange for lobbying and acting on behalf of a foreign government, and then potentially altered military strategy based on the preferences of a foreign nation. This is crazy. There are other things like him allegedly conspiring to extradite Fethullah Gulen, a cleric who lives in Pennsylvania but is a foe of Erdogan. Let's just say that there is a lot of shady shit going on.
The second issue is his testimony to the FBI. Again, we don't know what he said but given the fact that he lawyered up, offered to testify to the Senate Intelligence Committee in exchange for legal immunity (which was funny given his past comments), was rejected, eventually had to be subpoenaed to turn over documents he refused to turn over voluntarily, and has only recently turned over a whopping...600 pages, I'd say he's in a big world of legal hurt.
When I get top secret clearance I will be able to tell you more, but like, this is BAD.
@previous (Meta)
The Logan Act was something fringe left wingers were talking about lol. Again, we don't know exactly what Flynn did because the investigation is ongoing and there haven't been leaks, but there are at least two issues floating around. One, which is basically all but officially confirmed, is that he failed to register as a foreign agent under FARA, during the transition and during his time as National Security Adviser. Basically, he was paid by Turkish interests to advocate for the government of Turkey, which led him to do things like write an article for The Hill, and more distressingly, oppose a plan to strike ISIS that Turkey didn't like. Just to repeat myself, the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars of undisclosed money from a foreign lobbying firm in exchange for lobbying and acting on behalf of a foreign government, and then potentially altered military strategy based on the preferences of a foreign nation. This is crazy. There are other things like him allegedly conspiring to extradite Fethullah Gulen, a cleric who lives in Pennsylvania but is a foe of Erdogan. Let's just say that there is a lot of shady shit going on.
The second issue is his testimony to the FBI. Again, we don't know what he said but given the fact that he lawyered up, offered to testify to the Senate Intelligence Committee in exchange for legal immunity (which was funny given his past comments), was rejected, eventually had to be subpoenaed to turn over documents he refused to turn over voluntarily, and has only recently turned over a whopping...600 pages, I'd say he's in a big world of legal hurt.
When I get top secret clearance I will be able to tell you more, but like, this is BAD.
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Anonymous B replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,196
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> oppose a plan to strike ISIS that Turkey didn't like
Real problem is the small amount of cash required to get him to switch sides.
> oppose a plan to strike ISIS that Turkey didn't like
Real problem is the small amount of cash required to get him to switch sides.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,217
If you want to witness an 80 year old man who has lost his marbles, look no further.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFV82iI33wU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFV82iI33wU
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Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,220
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
? his mother is 105 years old so he could be around for another 20 years!
? his mother is 105 years old so he could be around for another 20 years!
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,222
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,225
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Based on your experience with dementia patients, how much time (of being a functional Senator) do you think John McCain has left?
Based on your experience with dementia patients, how much time (of being a functional Senator) do you think John McCain has left?
Meta double-posted this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,226
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,233
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 54 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,246
So Comey was the one leaking FBI memos?
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,248
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 9 years ago, 15 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,249
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,252
@790,128 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You made two 2 points. Hope you don't count your sheckles like that.
You made two 2 points. Hope you don't count your sheckles like that.
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 33 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,255
squeegee joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 43 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,263
i thoroughly enjoyed watching trump be pantsed on TV. hopefully since the WH is denying parts of the testimony trump will end up having to appear before an inquisition himself. now that'll be a lovely day. truly lovely. like today, but even better. the best.
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,269
@790,133 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Man I would have thought you would be supporting him
That would have been a real tricksy question if he had asked it properly
It was like, with Hillary you were able to imagine what a prosecutor would think according to this statement where you do that, if you use the same thought process towards the president do you think he could be guilty of obstruction of justice
Man I would have thought you would be supporting him
That would have been a real tricksy question if he had asked it properly
It was like, with Hillary you were able to imagine what a prosecutor would think according to this statement where you do that, if you use the same thought process towards the president do you think he could be guilty of obstruction of justice
beckyderp !yDoooooooo joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,303
lils love comeys :3
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,322
@790,252 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
When McCain-level incoherence meets far right antisemtism, this beautiful comment is born.
@790,269 (I)
I don't really support McCain. He is one of the less insane members of the right but he has done his own fair share of bad things, and is now supporting/defending a man who made fun of him for being captured and tortured by the NVA so I don't think even he respects himself anymore.
@790,196 (B)
Yeah I legitimately think Flynn has an undiagnosed medical condition like a brain tumor that affects his thinking. He went from being a well respected general to a crazy traitor in the son of about eight years. I don't know how that happens.
When McCain-level incoherence meets far right antisemtism, this beautiful comment is born.
@790,269 (I)
I don't really support McCain. He is one of the less insane members of the right but he has done his own fair share of bad things, and is now supporting/defending a man who made fun of him for being captured and tortured by the NVA so I don't think even he respects himself anymore.
@790,196 (B)
Yeah I legitimately think Flynn has an undiagnosed medical condition like a brain tumor that affects his thinking. He went from being a well respected general to a crazy traitor in the son of about eight years. I don't know how that happens.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 18 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,323
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,324
@790,322 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
He's saying you had two point 2z in your list, but it's a gross joke even then
Thanks for explaining. It's difficult to follow who stands where in Trumps America.
He's saying you had two point 2z in your list, but it's a gross joke even then
Thanks for explaining. It's difficult to follow who stands where in Trumps America.
Anonymous C replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,325
Have there been any sightings of the Republican Party's missing sense of dignity? Or are they still defending Trump no matter what he does?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 28 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,329
@790,324 (I)
Oh I couldn't follow but kudos for him for making a joke I guess.
@previous (C)
Republicans will discover their sense of dignity if Trump's approval ratings sink to 30%. Until then they are going to push a hard right agenda.
Oh I couldn't follow but kudos for him for making a joke I guess.
@previous (C)
Republicans will discover their sense of dignity if Trump's approval ratings sink to 30%. Until then they are going to push a hard right agenda.
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Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,331
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Who wants a soft right? Nothing soft is good. It's like ice cream, it's gotta be like frozen hard. No one likes soft ice cream. Trump's gonna give us two scoops! ?? ?
Who wants a soft right? Nothing soft is good. It's like ice cream, it's gotta be like frozen hard. No one likes soft ice cream. Trump's gonna give us two scoops! ?? ?
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,345
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,358
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,359
@790,325 (C)
> Have there been any sightings of the Republican Party's missing sense of dignity? Or are they still defending Trump no matter what he does?
CNN sent a reporter out to gather small forums of Trump hard core supporters. Every member of the panel fully supported Trumps denial of the Comey meeting and said Trump was 100% OK - When asked about Comey 100% said he was OK as well.
Someone is lying and Comey was sworn in and subject to perjury - Time to put Trump in the same position and one former FBI guy can do that.
> Have there been any sightings of the Republican Party's missing sense of dignity? Or are they still defending Trump no matter what he does?
CNN sent a reporter out to gather small forums of Trump hard core supporters. Every member of the panel fully supported Trumps denial of the Comey meeting and said Trump was 100% OK - When asked about Comey 100% said he was OK as well.
Someone is lying and Comey was sworn in and subject to perjury - Time to put Trump in the same position and one former FBI guy can do that.
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,398
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #790,408
@790,217 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Nancy Pelosi referred to Trump as "President Bush" twice. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pelosi-frets-about-trumps-lack-of-sleep-then-calls-him-bush-twice/article/2625475
Is government by geriatrics a good idea??
Nancy Pelosi referred to Trump as "President Bush" twice. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pelosi-frets-about-trumps-lack-of-sleep-then-calls-him-bush-twice/article/2625475
Is government by geriatrics a good idea??
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #790,412
@previous (Meta)
No. I think it's just an unfortunate side effect of incumbency bias. Politicians once elected are very unlikely to lose their jobs. Even in a wave year at most like 15% get kicked out. I don't know what to do about it. Term limits are a shitty idea and age limits are infeasible. It's just jarring every time you see an example of old people in power losing their minds.
No. I think it's just an unfortunate side effect of incumbency bias. Politicians once elected are very unlikely to lose their jobs. Even in a wave year at most like 15% get kicked out. I don't know what to do about it. Term limits are a shitty idea and age limits are infeasible. It's just jarring every time you see an example of old people in power losing their minds.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #790,423
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I find the 90+% re-election rate very odd. Like even if a district (or state) is solid Republican/Democratic why aren't there more primary challengers? There's 6,828,000 people in Arizona and John McCain is the best Republican they can find to be senator?? There's not some younger, sharper quicker conservative they could have instead?
> Term limits are a shitty idea
Why are they a shitty idea for congress but not the presidency? Because a president might be powerful enough to create a dictatorship while any one member of congress isn't?
I find the 90+% re-election rate very odd. Like even if a district (or state) is solid Republican/Democratic why aren't there more primary challengers? There's 6,828,000 people in Arizona and John McCain is the best Republican they can find to be senator?? There's not some younger, sharper quicker conservative they could have instead?
> Term limits are a shitty idea
Why are they a shitty idea for congress but not the presidency? Because a president might be powerful enough to create a dictatorship while any one member of congress isn't?
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chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #790,451
@previous (Meta)
Most places don't have term limits for the country's leader I don't know why the US does
Most places don't have term limits for the country's leader I don't know why the US does
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #790,453
@790,423 (Meta)
I am not sure it is a good idea for anyone. It's only in the constitution as a reaction to FDR serving 4 terms. I think in general it's probably ok because it codifies a norm in order to prevent its breach by people who do not care about precedent. It's not imposing some new arbitrary limit per se.
And yes, essentially. One Senator is one vote in a hundred. One Representative is one vote in 435. One president is essentially unchecked by anyone else in his branch of government. I hope that the checks and balances from other branches would prevent any real dictator from taking hold, but this explicit legal prohibition makes it functionally impossible which is more protective.
I am not sure it is a good idea for anyone. It's only in the constitution as a reaction to FDR serving 4 terms. I think in general it's probably ok because it codifies a norm in order to prevent its breach by people who do not care about precedent. It's not imposing some new arbitrary limit per se.
And yes, essentially. One Senator is one vote in a hundred. One Representative is one vote in 435. One president is essentially unchecked by anyone else in his branch of government. I hope that the checks and balances from other branches would prevent any real dictator from taking hold, but this explicit legal prohibition makes it functionally impossible which is more protective.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #790,454
@790,451 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
We didn't for the first ~160 years. The two term limit was like a gentleman's agreement thing. But then Franklin Roosevelt was elected to four terms which I guess people found scary.
You're right though. Canada seems to have avoided despotism without term limits and prime ministers serving up to 21 years.
I personally don't see the point of term limits. If a president really had enough support to become a dictator they'd be able to get the term limits abolished like Chavez in Venezuela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_constitutional_referendum,_2009
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think FDR had enough charisma and support that he would have been able to get the 22nd Amendment repealed easily if it had been enacted before 1933.
We didn't for the first ~160 years. The two term limit was like a gentleman's agreement thing. But then Franklin Roosevelt was elected to four terms which I guess people found scary.
You're right though. Canada seems to have avoided despotism without term limits and prime ministers serving up to 21 years.
I personally don't see the point of term limits. If a president really had enough support to become a dictator they'd be able to get the term limits abolished like Chavez in Venezuela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_constitutional_referendum,_2009
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think FDR had enough charisma and support that he would have been able to get the 22nd Amendment repealed easily if it had been enacted before 1933.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #790,455
@previous (Meta)
I don't know about that. Maybe, but on the other hand, the amendment that would have forbidden him from serving more than 2 terms was ratified less than ten years after he died, so it's unclear that would have happened. And if you look at Chavez's power grab, it was a Yes/No vote on a 50% +1 vote margin and he got 54%. If 15% more voted in favor of it, it still probably would not have been enough to amend the constitution in the US. Amending the Constitution is very hard. Once done it is nearly impossible to undo. The comparison falls pretty flat, IMO.
I don't know about that. Maybe, but on the other hand, the amendment that would have forbidden him from serving more than 2 terms was ratified less than ten years after he died, so it's unclear that would have happened. And if you look at Chavez's power grab, it was a Yes/No vote on a 50% +1 vote margin and he got 54%. If 15% more voted in favor of it, it still probably would not have been enough to amend the constitution in the US. Amending the Constitution is very hard. Once done it is nearly impossible to undo. The comparison falls pretty flat, IMO.
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chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #790,781
@790,454 (Meta)
IIRC mackenzie king was a pretty dang good prime minister too
more recently (mackenzie king was the 20s/30s), pierre trudeau (current prime minister's father) served 15 and a half years between 1968 and 1984
IIRC mackenzie king was a pretty dang good prime minister too
more recently (mackenzie king was the 20s/30s), pierre trudeau (current prime minister's father) served 15 and a half years between 1968 and 1984
squeegee replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #790,782
@790,451 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
republicans were mad at liberal rossevelt's fourth term...
republicans were mad at liberal rossevelt's fourth term...
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chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #790,785
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #790,787
@790,451 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> Most places don't have term limits for the country's leader I don't know why the US does
Betting Theresa May wishes she has even one term
> Most places don't have term limits for the country's leader I don't know why the US does
Betting Theresa May wishes she has even one term