Topic: Terror attacks in London.
Meta started this discussion 9 years ago #62,846
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916
Keeping up with the latest covfefe.
Keeping up with the latest covfefe.
Meta (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later[^] [v] #788,964
Interesting again that vehicles were used. England of course has pretty much banned guns at this point. But cars can't be banned. They could of course implement "car control" with security bollards but it would cost a fortune to put these on every city on every British street.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,966
Suspect caught. An "Asian" male.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/breaking-news-terror-attack-fears-10555735
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/breaking-news-terror-attack-fears-10555735
brie !kGoudaMCFA joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,968
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,969
brie !kGoudaMCFA replied with this 9 years ago, 55 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,970
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 24 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,971
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,974
In British English, Asian means Middle Eastern.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,975
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 20 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,976
An Asian man with stubble? Clearly not a yellow Asian, must be a black Asian. Thanks
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,977
You could always just redesign city streets with trees. Not only do they protect pedestrians from cars, it also provides shade on hot days.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,980
"Asian"kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 15 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,981
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 35 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,982
@788,966 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
@788,968 (brie !kGoudaMCFA)
In UKEngland "Asian" means South Asian, ie India/Pakistan/Bangladesh area.
@788,968 (brie !kGoudaMCFA)
In UKEngland "Asian" means South Asian, ie India/Pakistan/Bangladesh area.
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,984
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM double-posted this 9 years ago, 28 seconds later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,985
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,986
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,987
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Yes. UKEnglish often say that Middle Easterners are "Asians", and what we call Asians are "Orientals".
Yes. UKEnglish often say that Middle Easterners are "Asians", and what we call Asians are "Orientals".
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 29 seconds later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,988
Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #788,989
@788,986 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Asians means Persians sometimes too. Because calling them Pakis is frowned upon
Asians means Persians sometimes too. Because calling them Pakis is frowned upon
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #788,993
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM replied with this 9 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #788,997
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,002
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,014
Based MuslimMeta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,015
Meta (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,016
But seriously though remember the IRA bombings? Or Oklahoma City? Those were white Christian males.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,017
Ohhhhh...but I thought London police did not need guns..
Lookit all those automatic weapons..
Lookit all those automatic weapons..
Z !!CQHwQtG/0 joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 17 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,018
@789,016 (Meta)
Christian extremists aren't mentioned by fake news outlets as much as Islamic extremists anymore. :(
Christian extremists aren't mentioned by fake news outlets as much as Islamic extremists anymore. :(
Z !!CQHwQtG/0 double-posted this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,019
@789,017 (I)
They still had LEO with guns, but not every beat cop is strapped. As a result they shoot less drunken vagrants.
Have you considered relocating across the pond?
They still had LEO with guns, but not every beat cop is strapped. As a result they shoot less drunken vagrants.
Have you considered relocating across the pond?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,021
@789,016 (Meta)
Yes I do. Remember how those white terrorism incidents have been happening monthly for years now? Oh wait that isnt happening
Yes I do. Remember how those white terrorism incidents have been happening monthly for years now? Oh wait that isnt happening
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,024
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Remember when Donald Trump tweeted about "last night in Sweden" and then there was a terror attack in Sweden the next day? Islamic terrorism is caused by Islamophobia.
Remember when Donald Trump tweeted about "last night in Sweden" and then there was a terror attack in Sweden the next day? Islamic terrorism is caused by Islamophobia.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,025
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,044
Terrible stuff. Guess they'll need to roll out Operation Temperer again and send out armed troops.
@788,964 (Meta)
The advancement of car technology might be an answer to this. There's cars nowadays that can sense if they're about to hit someone and will automatically brake.
Of course, it'll take time to perfect that technology and get it into every motor vehicle.
@789,015 (Meta)
I'm not sure what you're intending with that image, but I do think it's worth noting that Islamic extremism thrives on disillusionment and resentment. So sweeping, hamfisted anti-Muslim policies like the travel ban would just create more potential recruits for Daesh.
I do disapprove of Islam (as well as most religions), but I think it's a complex problem for which simple solutions ultimately won't work.
@788,964 (Meta)
The advancement of car technology might be an answer to this. There's cars nowadays that can sense if they're about to hit someone and will automatically brake.
Of course, it'll take time to perfect that technology and get it into every motor vehicle.
@789,015 (Meta)
I'm not sure what you're intending with that image, but I do think it's worth noting that Islamic extremism thrives on disillusionment and resentment. So sweeping, hamfisted anti-Muslim policies like the travel ban would just create more potential recruits for Daesh.
I do disapprove of Islam (as well as most religions), but I think it's a complex problem for which simple solutions ultimately won't work.
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Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,046
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> There's cars nowadays that can sense if they're about to hit someone and will automatically brake.
That would have to not only be implemented on all new cars but also retrofitted to all old cars as well. Not insurmountable but a hell of a challenge.
> I'm not sure what you're intending with that image, but I do think it's worth noting that Islamic extremism thrives on disillusionment and resentment
A while back Trump said something about what happened "last night in Sweden" while talking about Muslim immigration and everyone (including the Swedish government) said he was crazy and they had no idea what he was talking about and then a while later there was a terror attack in Stockholm. This was blamed (unironically) on Trump having criticized Swedish Muslims.
> There's cars nowadays that can sense if they're about to hit someone and will automatically brake.
That would have to not only be implemented on all new cars but also retrofitted to all old cars as well. Not insurmountable but a hell of a challenge.
> I'm not sure what you're intending with that image, but I do think it's worth noting that Islamic extremism thrives on disillusionment and resentment
A while back Trump said something about what happened "last night in Sweden" while talking about Muslim immigration and everyone (including the Swedish government) said he was crazy and they had no idea what he was talking about and then a while later there was a terror attack in Stockholm. This was blamed (unironically) on Trump having criticized Swedish Muslims.
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DasSheeple !XPQqN0U9Ew joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 40 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,047
@789,044 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> but I think it's a complex problem for which simple solutions ultimately won't work.
Look at Poland, 0 terrorist attacks since the dawn of time because they refuse to take immigrants from Muslim countries in the first place. I miss living in that based country. Nicest people you'll ever meet, but if you fuck with them you'll wake up at the ICU if you are lucky to wake up at all.
> but I think it's a complex problem for which simple solutions ultimately won't work.
Look at Poland, 0 terrorist attacks since the dawn of time because they refuse to take immigrants from Muslim countries in the first place. I miss living in that based country. Nicest people you'll ever meet, but if you fuck with them you'll wake up at the ICU if you are lucky to wake up at all.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 24 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,051
@previous (DasSheeple !XPQqN0U9Ew)
I do have a counterpoint here, but I think we're too far apart in our thought processes to have a worthwhile discussion on the matter. Sorry.
I do have a counterpoint here, but I think we're too far apart in our thought processes to have a worthwhile discussion on the matter. Sorry.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,052
@789,044 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Oh, looks like the threat level isn't being raised to critical after all. At least not for the moment:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/03/london-bridge-closed-after-serious-police-incident-live?page=with:block-5933d77ce4b00493c8279293#block-5933d77ce4b00493c8279293
Oh, looks like the threat level isn't being raised to critical after all. At least not for the moment:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/03/london-bridge-closed-after-serious-police-incident-live?page=with:block-5933d77ce4b00493c8279293#block-5933d77ce4b00493c8279293
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 15 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,054
DasSheeple !XPQqN0U9Ew replied with this 9 years ago, 28 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,057
@789,051 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
inb4 "if you dont let them in terrorists win", "if we save even one "refugee" while letting terrorists in that bomb our own people it's worth" it etc. etc.
You need a reality check when it comes to the Muslim religion. You all blame our intolerance, white patriarchy and what not for the terrorist attacks, while ignoring that the Quran itself says that those who wage deadly jihad against their enemies (and enemies here is "everyone not muslim") will be rewarded a blissful eternity in the afterlife.
Roughly 20% of muslims agree with the bombings across europe. If you consider there are 1.5B of the on the planet, we're not talking about a few radicals that appreciate the suicide bombings etc...
Not so nice numbers to motivate someone to take in 2M+ of them per year into EU... I'm a gambler by nature, but even I wouldnt bet on these odds.
Poland did a great job at protecting its own people, 0 dead by terrorists. Label them as racist as you want, but the feeling of chilling in Poland at 4 AM during the weekends, is so much better than being a paranoid fuck avoiding "problematic neighborhoods" while doing the same in Hamburg.
inb4 "if you dont let them in terrorists win", "if we save even one "refugee" while letting terrorists in that bomb our own people it's worth" it etc. etc.
You need a reality check when it comes to the Muslim religion. You all blame our intolerance, white patriarchy and what not for the terrorist attacks, while ignoring that the Quran itself says that those who wage deadly jihad against their enemies (and enemies here is "everyone not muslim") will be rewarded a blissful eternity in the afterlife.
Roughly 20% of muslims agree with the bombings across europe. If you consider there are 1.5B of the on the planet, we're not talking about a few radicals that appreciate the suicide bombings etc...
Not so nice numbers to motivate someone to take in 2M+ of them per year into EU... I'm a gambler by nature, but even I wouldnt bet on these odds.
Poland did a great job at protecting its own people, 0 dead by terrorists. Label them as racist as you want, but the feeling of chilling in Poland at 4 AM during the weekends, is so much better than being a paranoid fuck avoiding "problematic neighborhoods" while doing the same in Hamburg.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,059
Anonymous G replied with this 9 years ago, 45 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,069
they do not not know, yes only lovekook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,088
At least one of the men shouted "This is for Allah!" and wore a fake suicide vest
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/suspects-behind-london-terrorist-attack/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/suspects-behind-london-terrorist-attack/
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,090
beckyderp !yDoooooooo joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 13 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,091
Syntax joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 34 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,096
@previous (beckyderp !yDoooooooo)
Not even DasSheeple lives in Poland anymore.
Now one in USA dares to think about a vacation in Poland.
Not even DasSheeple lives in Poland anymore.
Now one in USA dares to think about a vacation in Poland.
DasSheeple !XPQqN0U9Ew replied with this 9 years ago, 25 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,100
@789,059 (M)
No, but Polish VCs invested into several of my projects.
@789,091 (beckyderp !yDoooooooo)
You'd be surprised how many tried. You come to the Polish border as an immigrant, they ask you if you're Catholic, if you say no, they offer you to go back to the shithole you came from, or escort you to Germany.
@previous (Syntax)
Unfortunately not, but financially it's the smartest choice now to live here. I dont own any property in Poland and to have the standard I have here (300ish square meters of living space + 150ish square meters of backyard) I wasted a nice chunk of money per month. When I sell any of my companies I'll buy something nice in Poland and move back there.
No, but Polish VCs invested into several of my projects.
@789,091 (beckyderp !yDoooooooo)
You'd be surprised how many tried. You come to the Polish border as an immigrant, they ask you if you're Catholic, if you say no, they offer you to go back to the shithole you came from, or escort you to Germany.
@previous (Syntax)
Unfortunately not, but financially it's the smartest choice now to live here. I dont own any property in Poland and to have the standard I have here (300ish square meters of living space + 150ish square meters of backyard) I wasted a nice chunk of money per month. When I sell any of my companies I'll buy something nice in Poland and move back there.
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 32 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,101
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,102
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 39 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,104
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,107
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-internet-regulated-london-bridge-terror-attack-google-facebook-whatsapp-borough-security-a7771896.html
theresa may now wants the internet to be regulated to remove terrorist safe spaces
interesting
theresa may now wants the internet to be regulated to remove terrorist safe spaces
interesting
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,110
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
All kind o terror exists on Chans. So like perhaps Killer Lettuce and Svet will in future have to use a proxy
All kind o terror exists on Chans. So like perhaps Killer Lettuce and Svet will in future have to use a proxy
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,113
@789,107 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Well killer lettuce wants self driving cars so nothing surprises me anymore.
Well killer lettuce wants self driving cars so nothing surprises me anymore.
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,115
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
self-driving cars are a great idea
but they're not what KL was talking about
some newer cars have a feature where they brake automatically if they detect that you're about to crash into someone/something
that's not self-driving
self-driving cars are a great idea
but they're not what KL was talking about
some newer cars have a feature where they brake automatically if they detect that you're about to crash into someone/something
that's not self-driving
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,116
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Solution to this kinda problem - Electronic Brain scans. Surveying mind probes. Lots of research and job opportunities.
This kinda thing will drive them pardon my non PC - Drive the Rag Heads wacky. Then again one can imagine foil hats on haid covered by the Towel - This makes it even more easy to detect with less technology people in cars trucks trying to shield brain from probes
Solution to this kinda problem - Electronic Brain scans. Surveying mind probes. Lots of research and job opportunities.
This kinda thing will drive them pardon my non PC - Drive the Rag Heads wacky. Then again one can imagine foil hats on haid covered by the Towel - This makes it even more easy to detect with less technology people in cars trucks trying to shield brain from probes
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,118
@789,113 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
I said cars that detect when they're about to hit a person. Did you misread my post?
@789,107 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
It is interesting... On the one hand, honestly, I see her point. These guys are using the internet to reach disillusioned young Muslims (though not solely). On the other, there's the very valid points about a slippery slope on privacy and how feasible policing the internet really is.
But still, I like the general gist of Theresa's message. She recognises that we need to target extremism and the guys spreading it, and she's obviously looking at a lot of ways to do that. It gives me confidence.
I said cars that detect when they're about to hit a person. Did you misread my post?
@789,107 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
It is interesting... On the one hand, honestly, I see her point. These guys are using the internet to reach disillusioned young Muslims (though not solely). On the other, there's the very valid points about a slippery slope on privacy and how feasible policing the internet really is.
But still, I like the general gist of Theresa's message. She recognises that we need to target extremism and the guys spreading it, and she's obviously looking at a lot of ways to do that. It gives me confidence.
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Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,119
Mosques should be monitored for hate speech
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,121
@789,118 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Regulating online expression will do nothing except push budding radicals underground, where they can more easily be radicalised. Theresa May is scared of the new world that came about due to the Internet.
Regulating online expression will do nothing except push budding radicals underground, where they can more easily be radicalised. Theresa May is scared of the new world that came about due to the Internet.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 38 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,122
@789,115 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
@789,118 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Same thing. A technological solution to a religious problem
@789,118 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Same thing. A technological solution to a religious problem
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,123
@789,121 (M)
Most likely. That's what happens with all internet, they go underground.
I think, in theory, getting them off Facebook and such could count for something, as the average disillusioned Muslim youth probably wouldn't be on the darknet. But again, I have to question the feasibility of effectively policing even the mainstream sites.
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Not quite what I was saying.
Most likely. That's what happens with all internet, they go underground.
I think, in theory, getting them off Facebook and such could count for something, as the average disillusioned Muslim youth probably wouldn't be on the darknet. But again, I have to question the feasibility of effectively policing even the mainstream sites.
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Not quite what I was saying.
Green !BEERiVqJJw joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 22 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,125
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
It is very worrying. May wants a tighter grip on the onternet, more censorship, less privacy. This is exactly whst the terrorists want. Imactually really hope Corbyn gets in now, a LabLib coalition would be great
It is very worrying. May wants a tighter grip on the onternet, more censorship, less privacy. This is exactly whst the terrorists want. Imactually really hope Corbyn gets in now, a LabLib coalition would be great
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 38 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,139
> The Conservative manifesto pledges regulation of the internet, including forcing internet providers to participate in counter-extremism drives and making it more difficult to access pornography.
Seriously? Pornography?
Seriously? Pornography?
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,140
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,145
@789,139 (Meta)
Yeah, the Tories are weirdly anti-porn. A while ago there was a hubbub about them banning the production in the UK of "extreme" porn, stuff like BDSM and I think piss stuff.
I may vote Liberal Democrat. I generally like Theresa and think the Tories have some progressive elements, but these policies just ain't ones I can support.
Yeah, the Tories are weirdly anti-porn. A while ago there was a hubbub about them banning the production in the UK of "extreme" porn, stuff like BDSM and I think piss stuff.
I may vote Liberal Democrat. I generally like Theresa and think the Tories have some progressive elements, but these policies just ain't ones I can support.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 9 years ago, 40 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,146
@789,139 (Meta)
Also, I am proud of you for reading (or at least reading about) the Tory manifesto. Very international of you!
Also, I am proud of you for reading (or at least reading about) the Tory manifesto. Very international of you!
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Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,148
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Thanks :)
@789,145 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
That attitude just seems strange in 2017. Very Victorian.
Thanks :)
@789,145 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
That attitude just seems strange in 2017. Very Victorian.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,149
@previous (Meta)
The Tory Party are a bit like your Republicans. There are a few of those ye olde attitudes.
The Tory Party are a bit like your Republicans. There are a few of those ye olde attitudes.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,150
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,151
@789,148 (Meta)
> Thanks :)
>
>
> That attitude just seems strange in 2017. Very Victorian.
I thought Victorian England was all about piss play
> Thanks :)
>
>
> That attitude just seems strange in 2017. Very Victorian.
I thought Victorian England was all about piss play
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,165
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #789,173
Theresa May needs to get laid...before she causes problems..
I volunteer to take one for the team..
anyone know what kind of flowers she likes..
I volunteer to take one for the team..
anyone know what kind of flowers she likes..
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,218
Quote from one of the victims on the scenehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/suspects-behind-london-terrorist-attack/
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,221
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,223
Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,224
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
> Lol exactly
I don't trust the guy who uses his 15 seconds of fame after a tragedy to praise his own reflexes. It was probably a liberal white.
> Lol exactly
I don't trust the guy who uses his 15 seconds of fame after a tragedy to praise his own reflexes. It was probably a liberal white.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,230
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 56 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,235
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 triple-posted this 9 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,236
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
CNN caught faking moderate Muslim protest?
https://twitter.com/CaolanRob/status/871483335423528962
CNN caught faking moderate Muslim protest?
https://twitter.com/CaolanRob/status/871483335423528962
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 quadruple-posted this 9 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,239
DasSheeple !XPQqN0U9Ew replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,240
@789,235 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
@789,236 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Aren't you sleepy? Why dont you stop looking into this for a second ans take a nap? I bet you must be tired... go to sleep.
@789,236 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Aren't you sleepy? Why dont you stop looking into this for a second ans take a nap? I bet you must be tired... go to sleep.
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,241
@789,236 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Wouldn't surprise me. Perhaps they are actual protesters and they're just trying to get them lined up so they look good on camera. Definitely staged though, whatever it is.
Wouldn't surprise me. Perhaps they are actual protesters and they're just trying to get them lined up so they look good on camera. Definitely staged though, whatever it is.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,242
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,243
Is this fucking true? Unarmed police officers ran away from the attackers?
http://vesselnews.io/londoners-throw-chairs-terror-attackers-unarmed-police-ran-away/
http://vesselnews.io/londoners-throw-chairs-terror-attackers-unarmed-police-ran-away/
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,246
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Theresa May is going to ban pornography. I read that masturbation decreases testosterone levels so the next of next generation of Brits will be hardcore and less degenerate, because they'll grow up without pornography.
Theresa May is going to ban pornography. I read that masturbation decreases testosterone levels so the next of next generation of Brits will be hardcore and less degenerate, because they'll grow up without pornography.
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,247
@789,243 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
On CNN they did a live interview of someone who was there. He said a couple of cops spotted the vests and started to warn people to get the hell out for fear of explosives but the run away was momentary only. Those cops were also the unarmed type. Still makes no sense to me to have coppers without a gun.
On CNN they did a live interview of someone who was there. He said a couple of cops spotted the vests and started to warn people to get the hell out for fear of explosives but the run away was momentary only. Those cops were also the unarmed type. Still makes no sense to me to have coppers without a gun.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,248
@789,246 (Meta)
Goddamn sissy men. No wonder their women welcome the brown conquerers with open arms.
Goddamn sissy men. No wonder their women welcome the brown conquerers with open arms.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,249
@789,247 (Syntax)
I heard that one cop with a baton took on all three and got stabbed in the face. There should be a group if women lined up at the hospital, and ready to blow him when he's out of surgery.
I heard that one cop with a baton took on all three and got stabbed in the face. There should be a group if women lined up at the hospital, and ready to blow him when he's out of surgery.
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,251
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Yea they have cellphone video of that and then people covered the cops bleeding wounds and carried him off and out of there.
Yea they have cellphone video of that and then people covered the cops bleeding wounds and carried him off and out of there.
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,277
@789,249 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
I don't think he got stabbed in the face. The only cop who was injured didn't have critical injuries
I don't think he got stabbed in the face. The only cop who was injured didn't have critical injuries
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,282
@previous (T)
a critical would is where an artery is severed or an organ is damaged..
getting stabbed in the face is not a critical wound... although I am sure it would feel that way..
a critical would is where an artery is severed or an organ is damaged..
getting stabbed in the face is not a critical wound... although I am sure it would feel that way..
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,283
Uplifting article about classic British humour responses to the attack:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/london-bridge-attack-brings-out-defiant-british-humour
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/london-bridge-attack-brings-out-defiant-british-humour
Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,284
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,285
Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,286
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,287
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,288
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
if pronouncing it as scone is wrong...I don't want to be right..
if pronouncing it as scone is wrong...I don't want to be right..
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,292
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,294
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,297
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,305
@789,283 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Its sad when you have so many terrorist attacks that the price of a candy bar is far more upsetting
Its sad when you have so many terrorist attacks that the price of a candy bar is far more upsetting
Anonymous I replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,306
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,309
squeegee joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,311
@789,236 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
uh, no, the police let protestors across the barrier to take pics. stop spreading propaganda kook.
@789,305 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
jesus fucking christ...
uh, no, the police let protestors across the barrier to take pics. stop spreading propaganda kook.
@789,305 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
jesus fucking christ...
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,312
@789,305 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
I think they call it "stiff upper lip". Their great-grandparents probably complained about the price of tea while German bombs were falling during the blitz.
That's the sad thing though. Eventually it'll become like the morning traffic report where they just dispassionately report the terrorism and all you can do is shrug.
Maybe they'll even have a terrorism weather report, with some cute lady: and we've got a jihadi front coming in from the south which is going to clash with the high pressure alt right from the east, leading to a lot of bloodshed in the greater Manchester area, so you'll want to to avoid public places till after Thursday evening
I think they call it "stiff upper lip". Their great-grandparents probably complained about the price of tea while German bombs were falling during the blitz.
That's the sad thing though. Eventually it'll become like the morning traffic report where they just dispassionately report the terrorism and all you can do is shrug.
Maybe they'll even have a terrorism weather report, with some cute lady: and we've got a jihadi front coming in from the south which is going to clash with the high pressure alt right from the east, leading to a lot of bloodshed in the greater Manchester area, so you'll want to to avoid public places till after Thursday evening
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,322
@789,305 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)First you think that collision detection in cars is my whole answer to Islamic terrorism, and now you think that that tweet about a Freddo bar is serious.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,324
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,327
@789,311 (squeegee)Out of interest, I checked out the website that the journalist kook linked to works for.
They look like a pretty unbiased and professional outlet to me. I'm sure their coverage of the attack is perfectly trustworthy.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,334
@789,311 (squeegee)
Pretending that the terrorist attack doesnt affect you doesnt help anything
Pretending that the terrorist attack doesnt affect you doesnt help anything
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,335
@789,322 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I know what the intent was. To feign boredom and confidence.
Do you have other ideas besides the no collision car?
I know what the intent was. To feign boredom and confidence.
Do you have other ideas besides the no collision car?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 triple-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,336
@789,312 (Meta)
Both America and England have troublesome groups that we try to ignore. Its pathetic.
Both America and England have troublesome groups that we try to ignore. Its pathetic.
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,341
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Perhaps this will end up exactly like Hurricanes, Tornadoes and Earthquakes even devastating floods.
Just a normal price for living in some level of paradise.
Perhaps this will end up exactly like Hurricanes, Tornadoes and Earthquakes even devastating floods.
Just a normal price for living in some level of paradise.
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,342
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,343
@789,335 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
If there are good ideas to stop Islamic terrorism, they'll probably be found in Israel since they have the most experience dealing with this kind of thing.
If there are good ideas to stop Islamic terrorism, they'll probably be found in Israel since they have the most experience dealing with this kind of thing.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 34 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,344
@789,327 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
From wiki
"In March 2017, the Rebel sent several of its contributors on a tour of Israel. The trip became controversial when Gavin McInnes made questionable comments about the Holocaust and also alleged Jews of being responsible for the Holodomor and the Treaty of Versailles. He subsequently stated that these are not his own views. McInnes also produced a video for Rebel, intended to be humorous, called "Ten Things I Hate about Jews", later retitled "Ten Things I Hate About Israel" which also resulted in accusations of antisemitism."
I am shocked by this.
From wiki
"In March 2017, the Rebel sent several of its contributors on a tour of Israel. The trip became controversial when Gavin McInnes made questionable comments about the Holocaust and also alleged Jews of being responsible for the Holodomor and the Treaty of Versailles. He subsequently stated that these are not his own views. McInnes also produced a video for Rebel, intended to be humorous, called "Ten Things I Hate about Jews", later retitled "Ten Things I Hate About Israel" which also resulted in accusations of antisemitism."
I am shocked by this.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,348
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,349
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,352
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Why would I need to watch a video called "10 things I hate about Jews" to find out if it's anti-Semitic? That can't be a serious suggestion.
Why would I need to watch a video called "10 things I hate about Jews" to find out if it's anti-Semitic? That can't be a serious suggestion.
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,353
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,354
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,355
@789,348 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
What I was trying to say is - Life has pot holes along the way - People as you no get sick - cancer - heart problems and die.
Where you live along comes a Hurricane and people are hurt and others die. Here where I live its the next Earthquake.
> extremist Muslims?
Ya no I have been around a few more years than most here - I even remember Spot lights as a child looking for Japanese aircraft coming over LA - Never happened but memories of Lights out across the city as people looked for the Japanese. With all of the Japanese rounded up and put in concentration camps EVEN if they were US Born citizens.
Bottom line is your relatives and mine grew up on the backs of horrid wars with horrid war crimes. We dropped Agent Orange on Vietnam -
People have been at war for EVER Not about to change. Its just the nature of human nature. Perhaps you even live near Alligators. Gators going to be what they were born to be.
So if its not some Rag Head Extremist that is going to get you its some mugger or some rapist or for parents of young kids some kid with a gun who decides to go to school and mow down his classmates.
What I was trying to say is - Life has pot holes along the way - People as you no get sick - cancer - heart problems and die.
Where you live along comes a Hurricane and people are hurt and others die. Here where I live its the next Earthquake.
> extremist Muslims?
Ya no I have been around a few more years than most here - I even remember Spot lights as a child looking for Japanese aircraft coming over LA - Never happened but memories of Lights out across the city as people looked for the Japanese. With all of the Japanese rounded up and put in concentration camps EVEN if they were US Born citizens.
Bottom line is your relatives and mine grew up on the backs of horrid wars with horrid war crimes. We dropped Agent Orange on Vietnam -
People have been at war for EVER Not about to change. Its just the nature of human nature. Perhaps you even live near Alligators. Gators going to be what they were born to be.
So if its not some Rag Head Extremist that is going to get you its some mugger or some rapist or for parents of young kids some kid with a gun who decides to go to school and mow down his classmates.
Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 49 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,365
@789,285 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> chocolate bar
wow thanks I didn't know that much already asshole
> chocolate bar
wow thanks I didn't know that much already asshole
Anonymous R double-posted this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,366
@789,343 (Meta)
> If there are good ideas to stop Islamic terrorism, they'll probably be found in Israel since they have the most experience dealing with this kind of thing.
yeah like build a wall
> If there are good ideas to stop Islamic terrorism, they'll probably be found in Israel since they have the most experience dealing with this kind of thing.
yeah like build a wall
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,368
@789,365 (R)
fine here is the freddo wikipedia article which should tell you everything you'd want to know about freddo bars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddo
fine here is the freddo wikipedia article which should tell you everything you'd want to know about freddo bars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddo
(Edited 2 minutes later.)
Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,370
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,372
@previous (R)
You're right, sorry. Here is my completely original summary of the Freddo bar:
Freddo (originally Freddo Frog) is a brand of chocolate bar shaped like a cartoon frog, standing up and wearing clothes. It was originally manufactured by MacRobertson's, an Australian confectionery company, but is now produced by Cadbury, a British firm.
The product was invented in 1930 by Harry Melbourne, an 18-year-old MacRobertson's employee.[1] In 1967, MacRobertson's was sold to Cadbury, which incorporated Freddo Frogs into its own product range.[2] The chocolate was originally sold only in Australia, but has been introduced into several other markets.
You're right, sorry. Here is my completely original summary of the Freddo bar:
Freddo (originally Freddo Frog) is a brand of chocolate bar shaped like a cartoon frog, standing up and wearing clothes. It was originally manufactured by MacRobertson's, an Australian confectionery company, but is now produced by Cadbury, a British firm.
The product was invented in 1930 by Harry Melbourne, an 18-year-old MacRobertson's employee.[1] In 1967, MacRobertson's was sold to Cadbury, which incorporated Freddo Frogs into its own product range.[2] The chocolate was originally sold only in Australia, but has been introduced into several other markets.
Anonymous R replied with this 9 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,378
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> You're right, sorry. Here is my completely original summary of the Freddo bar:
>
> Freddo (originally Freddo Frog) is a brand of chocolate bar shaped like a cartoon frog, standing up and wearing clothes. It was originally manufactured by MacRobertson's, an Australian confectionery company, but is now produced by Cadbury, a British firm.
> The product was invented in 1930 by Harry Melbourne, an 18-year-old MacRobertson's employee.[1] In 1967, MacRobertson's was sold to Cadbury, which incorporated Freddo Frogs into its own product range.[2] The chocolate was originally sold only in Australia, but has been introduced into several other markets.
God dammit at least I didn't have to Google it
> You're right, sorry. Here is my completely original summary of the Freddo bar:
>
> Freddo (originally Freddo Frog) is a brand of chocolate bar shaped like a cartoon frog, standing up and wearing clothes. It was originally manufactured by MacRobertson's, an Australian confectionery company, but is now produced by Cadbury, a British firm.
> The product was invented in 1930 by Harry Melbourne, an 18-year-old MacRobertson's employee.[1] In 1967, MacRobertson's was sold to Cadbury, which incorporated Freddo Frogs into its own product range.[2] The chocolate was originally sold only in Australia, but has been introduced into several other markets.
God dammit at least I didn't have to Google it
Anonymous R double-posted this 9 years ago, 34 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,379
@789,372 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
oh so it is just plain Choco?? boring
but it's frog shaped so that's cool
oh so it is just plain Choco?? boring
but it's frog shaped so that's cool
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #789,380
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 9 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,500
London Attacker featured in documentary about Jihadists
http://www.dailywire.com/news/17161/fatal-fail-london-attacker-appeared-jihadist-amanda-prestigiacomo
http://www.dailywire.com/news/17161/fatal-fail-london-attacker-appeared-jihadist-amanda-prestigiacomo
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,521
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,547
Here's one idea. Wear a stab (and bullet) resistant vest to cover your torso. this one's available for $230. They make also make these cut resistant gloves for chefs, butchers, and people who use knives. If you could get an undershirt made out of the same material to protect your arms from slashing attacks, maybe in the form of a turtleneck to protect the neck too. That would just leave the face and hands vulnerable. Of course you could wear the aforementioned gloves too, and perhaps with the knowledge your hands and arms are protected it would be easier to use them to block a facial knife attack. Safety glasses to protect the eyes wouldn't be a bad idea either. Some of the nicer safety glasses actually look pretty good. Of course this wouldn't do much against a vehicular attack. I guess a culture of situational awareness will need to develop where if you're on foot you'll have to look and try to scope out where a vehicular attack could come from and try to keep to safe (from vehicles) areas.
Meta (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,548
I also find it odd that pedestrian and vehicular traffic was not already separated on London Bridge. On pretty much all of our major bridges, pedestrians and cars are kept separate by barriers.Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,552
@previous (Meta)
The thing you have to keep in mind about London Bridge in particular is that there has been one for over 2,000 years. The current one was rebuilt in the 70s and I would say that the open design came from a desire to stay faithful to the traditional layout of the bridge. Tower Bridge has barriers.
Remember hindsight is 20/20. Nobody anticipated, even post-9/11, that we would be facing guerilla warfare in our own homeland. Especially not in the 1970s when the bridge was designed!
I agree that they should be added now to prevent this happening again, but at the end of the day it's not a real solution. You can't ensure that nobody can drive a car into a crowd throughout the entire UK and even if you could, they would switch tactics. We need to be active, not reactive. The most important thing of all is that we attack the root of the problem itself - a subculture of violence, hate and disillusionment with our country.
The people who did these atrocities were British. They had the opportunity to become fine young men, but something went very wrong in their development. It's our duty to put an end to it and there's no way to do that except by ensuring that this fifth column loses support.
The thing you have to keep in mind about London Bridge in particular is that there has been one for over 2,000 years. The current one was rebuilt in the 70s and I would say that the open design came from a desire to stay faithful to the traditional layout of the bridge. Tower Bridge has barriers.
Remember hindsight is 20/20. Nobody anticipated, even post-9/11, that we would be facing guerilla warfare in our own homeland. Especially not in the 1970s when the bridge was designed!
I agree that they should be added now to prevent this happening again, but at the end of the day it's not a real solution. You can't ensure that nobody can drive a car into a crowd throughout the entire UK and even if you could, they would switch tactics. We need to be active, not reactive. The most important thing of all is that we attack the root of the problem itself - a subculture of violence, hate and disillusionment with our country.
The people who did these atrocities were British. They had the opportunity to become fine young men, but something went very wrong in their development. It's our duty to put an end to it and there's no way to do that except by ensuring that this fifth column loses support.
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,556
@previous (M)> The thing you have to keep in mind about London Bridge in particular is that there has been one for over 2,000 years. The current one was rebuilt in the 70s and I would say that the open design came from a desire to stay faithful to the traditional layout of the bridge. Tower Bridge has barriers.
>
> Remember hindsight is 20/20. Nobody anticipated, even post-9/11, that we would be facing guerilla warfare in our own homeland. Especially not in the 1970s when the bridge was designed!
Quite right! But most of these bridges had some sort of barrier in place long before terrorism was a factor. I've been doing some research and London Bridge had a metal guardrail separating pedestrians from traffic in this 1987 photo. I can't figure out when it was taken down but there was one in 1987.
> I agree that they should be added now to prevent this happening again, but at the end of the day it's not a real solution. You can't ensure that nobody can drive a car into a crowd throughout the entire UK and even if you could, they would switch tactics. We need to be active, not reactive. The most important thing of all is that we attack the root of the problem itself - a subculture of violence, hate and disillusionment with our country.
Of course. I went on Google street view and took a virtual "drive" down the A3 and Borough High Street just off the bridge and they certainly wouldn't have had to drive far to commit a similar atrocity.
> The people who did these atrocities were British. They had the opportunity to become fine young men, but something went very wrong in their development. It's our duty to put an end to it and there's no way to do that except by ensuring that this fifth column loses support.
I think Trump calling them losers is a good start.
I don't think they were British. Perhaps their birth certificate was British but I don't think the men were. I think they saw themselves at war with Britain, allied with ISIS. I don't mean that they weren't British because of their ethnicity, but I don't think they saw themselves as British.
Meta (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,558
Also the previous London Bridge had a guardrail in 1968.Whoever is in charge of London Bridge made a decision to remove the barrier at some point between 1987 and the present. It's not something where no one could have foreseen the danger -- the bridge had a barrier 30 years ago and 49 years ago long before terrorism would have been a factor.
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Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,559
@789,556 (Meta)
You touch on an interesting point there. I think we're seeing the waning days of the nation-state. Global communications makes borders irrelevant.
You touch on an interesting point there. I think we're seeing the waning days of the nation-state. Global communications makes borders irrelevant.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,560
@789,556 (Meta)
I think what Anonymous M was getting at was that they were British by citizenship. So, under normal circumstances, they could've become good Brits. But their radicalisation prevented that.
One of them was an avid Arsenal fan, even. Under better circumstances, that guy might've just been a typical English football fan.
I think what Anonymous M was getting at was that they were British by citizenship. So, under normal circumstances, they could've become good Brits. But their radicalisation prevented that.
One of them was an avid Arsenal fan, even. Under better circumstances, that guy might've just been a typical English football fan.
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Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,562
It's interesting to me that, in these last three attacks, the attackers have been identified as "peripheral figures". The intelligence services knew about them, but didn't see them as the biggest threats and prioritised accordingly.
It makes me wonder if these networks are able to guess who's a major figure under constant surveillance and who's a peripheral figure who can move more freely, and are taking advantage of that. It seems that the authorities need a new approach to address this.
It makes me wonder if these networks are able to guess who's a major figure under constant surveillance and who's a peripheral figure who can move more freely, and are taking advantage of that. It seems that the authorities need a new approach to address this.
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Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 39 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,564
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 59 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,565
@789,560 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
What is a Briton anyway? Like, I could move there and apply for citizenship but could I ever become British? I already speak English and I'm a huge fan of several British TV series so the accents, spelling, and whatnot wouldn't be a barrier. I could probably even manage driving on the wrong side of the road. But in my heart of hearts I would know I'm not British and never will be. My kids may be British, but not me.
I wonder because, because from birth until age 16, I grew up in Colorado and then at age 16 moved to Texas. Now, 12 years later I'm not a Texan. I live in Texas, my driver's license says "Texas" on it but I'm not a Texan and never will be. I'm someone who just happens to live in Texas. I have no deep attachment to Texas or it's culture. My family and I moved for economic reasons and if, say, Louisiana offered opportunities I'd go there instead.
This intra-country move is of course tiny compared to moving to the UK from the USA and I imagine going from Pakistan to the UK would be even greater still.
Now of course I'm not going to strap on a suicide vest or run people down with a van because I come from a slightly different culture than the one I live in now but I think this lack of identity, of belonging is a large part of it. It's not enough, on it's own, to cause terrorism but to someone who's already mentally unwell it could be enough to push them over the edge.
What is a Briton anyway? Like, I could move there and apply for citizenship but could I ever become British? I already speak English and I'm a huge fan of several British TV series so the accents, spelling, and whatnot wouldn't be a barrier. I could probably even manage driving on the wrong side of the road. But in my heart of hearts I would know I'm not British and never will be. My kids may be British, but not me.
I wonder because, because from birth until age 16, I grew up in Colorado and then at age 16 moved to Texas. Now, 12 years later I'm not a Texan. I live in Texas, my driver's license says "Texas" on it but I'm not a Texan and never will be. I'm someone who just happens to live in Texas. I have no deep attachment to Texas or it's culture. My family and I moved for economic reasons and if, say, Louisiana offered opportunities I'd go there instead.
This intra-country move is of course tiny compared to moving to the UK from the USA and I imagine going from Pakistan to the UK would be even greater still.
Now of course I'm not going to strap on a suicide vest or run people down with a van because I come from a slightly different culture than the one I live in now but I think this lack of identity, of belonging is a large part of it. It's not enough, on it's own, to cause terrorism but to someone who's already mentally unwell it could be enough to push them over the edge.
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Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 40 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,567
@previous (Meta)
> What is a Briton anyway?
I think that's something that would really depend on who you ask. Maybe you would never feel British even if you lived here for like 15 years, but similar person might. Maybe some of my countrymen would agree that'd you could never be "truly" British, but others might take a more relaxed view.
In this context, for me, the most important barometer is that a person feels enough a part of a culture that radicalisers cannot make them despise it and become terrorists. This is why the Arsenal guy stood out for me, because he was already enjoying a quintessential part of British culture. Maybe he wasn't so far from being integrated enough to be vulnerable?
I suppose what's needed is some sort of long-term strategy to make Muslims feel more welcome in and more a part of the UK. Or a more specific targeting of Muslims who seem at risk of going down that path. I'm unsure exactly how that could be done, but I image a lot of groundwork could be laid in schools and community initiatives. Shrinking the pool of potential recruits is essential, I feel.
> What is a Briton anyway?
I think that's something that would really depend on who you ask. Maybe you would never feel British even if you lived here for like 15 years, but similar person might. Maybe some of my countrymen would agree that'd you could never be "truly" British, but others might take a more relaxed view.
In this context, for me, the most important barometer is that a person feels enough a part of a culture that radicalisers cannot make them despise it and become terrorists. This is why the Arsenal guy stood out for me, because he was already enjoying a quintessential part of British culture. Maybe he wasn't so far from being integrated enough to be vulnerable?
I suppose what's needed is some sort of long-term strategy to make Muslims feel more welcome in and more a part of the UK. Or a more specific targeting of Muslims who seem at risk of going down that path. I'm unsure exactly how that could be done, but I image a lot of groundwork could be laid in schools and community initiatives. Shrinking the pool of potential recruits is essential, I feel.
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@789,567 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> some sort of long-term strategy to make Muslims feel more welcome
How about bringing in 1000 Syrians and giving them the job of watching those in the terror watch list. They will blend in and speak the language.
> some sort of long-term strategy to make Muslims feel more welcome
How about bringing in 1000 Syrians and giving them the job of watching those in the terror watch list. They will blend in and speak the language.
Meta (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 59 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,671
@789,567 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I was thinking and my hypothesis doesn't account for why the terrorism is disproportionately Muslim. Presumably first and second generation Hindu and Sikh immigrants should feel a similar lack of belonging but they don't seem to radicalize to the same extent. I've never heard of a radical Hindu terrorist.
> Maybe some of my countrymen would agree that'd you could never be "truly" British, but others might take a more relaxed view.
For me it would be more of an internal issue, not external validation. Like it wouldn't matter if the Queen herself took me to Windsor Castle and draped me in the Union Jack and proclaimed me the most British Englishman since King Arthur. I still would not be a real Briton and I would know it.
Again this wouldn't even remotely make me want to be a terrorist. I'd be aware that while I was a stranger in a strange land, that I was in one of the nicer countries in the world and try not to mess things up. When in Rome, do as the Romans do to the best of my ability.
Especially considering these men had left their homelands and come the UK voluntarily. No one was stopping them from returning to Pakistan or Morocco if they wanted to live in an Islamic country.
> I suppose what's needed is some sort of long-term strategy to make Muslims feel more welcome in and more a part of the UK.
I don't know what more could be done. Britain has rolled out the red carpet for Muslims. I mean London even has a Muslim mayor. I guess point out that Christianity is a relatively recent thing for Britain and that the real British religions are long gone so if you think about it Islam is really no more foreign than Christianity.
I was thinking and my hypothesis doesn't account for why the terrorism is disproportionately Muslim. Presumably first and second generation Hindu and Sikh immigrants should feel a similar lack of belonging but they don't seem to radicalize to the same extent. I've never heard of a radical Hindu terrorist.
> Maybe some of my countrymen would agree that'd you could never be "truly" British, but others might take a more relaxed view.
For me it would be more of an internal issue, not external validation. Like it wouldn't matter if the Queen herself took me to Windsor Castle and draped me in the Union Jack and proclaimed me the most British Englishman since King Arthur. I still would not be a real Briton and I would know it.
Again this wouldn't even remotely make me want to be a terrorist. I'd be aware that while I was a stranger in a strange land, that I was in one of the nicer countries in the world and try not to mess things up. When in Rome, do as the Romans do to the best of my ability.
Especially considering these men had left their homelands and come the UK voluntarily. No one was stopping them from returning to Pakistan or Morocco if they wanted to live in an Islamic country.
> I suppose what's needed is some sort of long-term strategy to make Muslims feel more welcome in and more a part of the UK.
I don't know what more could be done. Britain has rolled out the red carpet for Muslims. I mean London even has a Muslim mayor. I guess point out that Christianity is a relatively recent thing for Britain and that the real British religions are long gone so if you think about it Islam is really no more foreign than Christianity.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,678
@previous (Meta)
> I was thinking and my hypothesis doesn't account for why the terrorism is disproportionately Muslim.
I guess it's largely because Islam does have a radical, actively militant sect promoting itself and sending out agents. Obviously we don't have any radical Hindu sects out there trying to form a breakaway, ultra-religious state.
> I don't know what more could be done.
Something can probably be done, since the terrorists are apparently finding ample recruits. I'm not really an expert so I can only offer vague ideas, but I do think Theresa May is on the right track in saying we should be going after the networks that promote radicalisation.
> No one was stopping them from returning to Pakistan or Morocco if they wanted to live in an Islamic country.
Could be they have family or work over here. Like you said, something made them move in the first place. And I guess that when they're radicalised, they feel they can do "more good" over here, whether that he spreading their ideology or launching attacks.
> the real British religions are long gone
Maybe for the better. I read that they used to throw swords into lakes to appease their gods. Stonehenge is pretty awesome, though.
> I was thinking and my hypothesis doesn't account for why the terrorism is disproportionately Muslim.
I guess it's largely because Islam does have a radical, actively militant sect promoting itself and sending out agents. Obviously we don't have any radical Hindu sects out there trying to form a breakaway, ultra-religious state.
> I don't know what more could be done.
Something can probably be done, since the terrorists are apparently finding ample recruits. I'm not really an expert so I can only offer vague ideas, but I do think Theresa May is on the right track in saying we should be going after the networks that promote radicalisation.
> No one was stopping them from returning to Pakistan or Morocco if they wanted to live in an Islamic country.
Could be they have family or work over here. Like you said, something made them move in the first place. And I guess that when they're radicalised, they feel they can do "more good" over here, whether that he spreading their ideology or launching attacks.
> the real British religions are long gone
Maybe for the better. I read that they used to throw swords into lakes to appease their gods. Stonehenge is pretty awesome, though.
Anonymous W joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 24 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,683
London bridge is falling down...falling down...falling down..
London bridge is falling down...my fair lady..
London bridge is falling down...my fair lady..
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 9 years ago, 4 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,727
One of the killed terrorist suspects was previously charged with planning a terrorist attack http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/05/police-consider-extremist-link-in-fatal-australian-siege.html
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Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 21 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #789,909
@789,728 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
A spokesman for the force said: "Employees of an office in Southwark Street were inadvertently allowed back into their office this morning before the routine process of searching premises within the cordons had been completed.
"This is part of the work towards reducing the area of the existing cordons within the area.
"The individuals in the building were asked to leave so that these searches could be undertaken.
"Those affected fully cooperated without incident and were advised they will be allowed to return as soon as is practicable.
"We would like to thank members of the public again for their patience and understanding while we complete the necessary processes."
A spokesman for the force said: "Employees of an office in Southwark Street were inadvertently allowed back into their office this morning before the routine process of searching premises within the cordons had been completed.
"This is part of the work towards reducing the area of the existing cordons within the area.
"The individuals in the building were asked to leave so that these searches could be undertaken.
"Those affected fully cooperated without incident and were advised they will be allowed to return as soon as is practicable.
"We would like to thank members of the public again for their patience and understanding while we complete the necessary processes."