Topic: Apparently, politicians violently assaulting reporters is a GREAT thing in USAmerica!
Anonymous A started this discussion 9 years ago #62,604
You stupid shits. Your country is a fucking third world shithole.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 19 minutes later[^] [v] #787,107
we're still a first world shit hole, dick face. we got nukes, bitch. come at us.Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #787,108
LAWS ARE FOR THE WEAK
You have to push a few faces into the ground to break some eggs
You have to push a few faces into the ground to break some eggs
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #787,113
Yep, it's pretty awful. At least he only got 51% of the vote, but still.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #787,114
Who assaulted a journalist??
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 58 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,115
Most people voted early by mail and had already sent in their ballots. Not sure if they would have changed their votes, but still, it's false to suggest he was rewarded for the assault as the decision was already made.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,116
@787,114 (E)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/26/greg-gianforte-wins-montana-congress-race-body-slam-reporter
TL;DR: a reporter asked a Republican candidate about the upcoming healthcare bill, and the candidate got angry and assaulted the reporter. The candidate was subsequently charged with assault.
@previous (F)
Had they? I thought that most people just went to a local community building to vote in person on the day? Or is it different for USAmerican elections?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/26/greg-gianforte-wins-montana-congress-race-body-slam-reporter
TL;DR: a reporter asked a Republican candidate about the upcoming healthcare bill, and the candidate got angry and assaulted the reporter. The candidate was subsequently charged with assault.
@previous (F)
Had they? I thought that most people just went to a local community building to vote in person on the day? Or is it different for USAmerican elections?
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beckyderp !yDoooooooo replied with this 9 years ago, 57 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,119
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Many states allow early voting, either by mail or in-person at designated locations. IIRC, something like 70% of Montana voters chose to vote early by mail this time.
Many states allow early voting, either by mail or in-person at designated locations. IIRC, something like 70% of Montana voters chose to vote early by mail this time.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 32 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,124
@previous (beckyderp !yDoooooooo)
Wow, that's quite a lot. So it might indeed be the case that he "got away with it" because the vote was mostly done by the time he started swinging.
Wow, that's quite a lot. So it might indeed be the case that he "got away with it" because the vote was mostly done by the time he started swinging.
Meta joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,152
Did he really bodyslam the reporter or is this a Corey Lewandowski thing where he barely touched the guy?
Syntax joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,154
@previous (Meta)
Fox news crew was present so there must be photos - I have not bothered to lookC 4them
Did hear the full audio tape of the knock down on news.
One never no's if he wood have won by an even wider margin if not for the early mail in ballots
Fox news crew was present so there must be photos - I have not bothered to lookC 4them
Did hear the full audio tape of the knock down on news.
One never no's if he wood have won by an even wider margin if not for the early mail in ballots
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,156
@787,152 (Meta)
There's audio of it, and Fox News reporters who witnessed it corroborated his story.
There's audio of it, and Fox News reporters who witnessed it corroborated his story.
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,159
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
With the number of people with cell phones someone must have turned a phone to take a shot of it but a quick look at net - just loaded with the audio recording
With the number of people with cell phones someone must have turned a phone to take a shot of it but a quick look at net - just loaded with the audio recording
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,161
@787,154 (Syntax)
Pushing a pushy British journalist might actually have endeared him to some people there.
@787,156 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
The conspiracy theorist in me finds it strange these guys were surrounded by reporters from different media outlets and no one got it on video. Also why is The Guardian covering some election that no one in America even cares about in Bumfuck, Montana?
Pushing a pushy British journalist might actually have endeared him to some people there.
@787,156 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
The conspiracy theorist in me finds it strange these guys were surrounded by reporters from different media outlets and no one got it on video. Also why is The Guardian covering some election that no one in America even cares about in Bumfuck, Montana?
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 30 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,163
@previous (Meta)
You should probably see a doctor about removing that conspiracy theorist from inside you. They might be messing up your judgement.
The Guardian is an international organisation with a US branch. They have US reporters that cover US issues. A Guardian reporter being there isn't really unusual.
As for the cameras, I believe they were talking in some sort of a side room where the cameras wouldn't have necessarily been on.
What's the alternative here, anyway? Why would the Fox News reporters have lied to smear a candidate that they'd probably be otherwise supporting? Did the subsequent police investigation get it wrong too?
You should probably see a doctor about removing that conspiracy theorist from inside you. They might be messing up your judgement.
The Guardian is an international organisation with a US branch. They have US reporters that cover US issues. A Guardian reporter being there isn't really unusual.
As for the cameras, I believe they were talking in some sort of a side room where the cameras wouldn't have necessarily been on.
What's the alternative here, anyway? Why would the Fox News reporters have lied to smear a candidate that they'd probably be otherwise supporting? Did the subsequent police investigation get it wrong too?
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 9 years ago, 50 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,164
@787,159 (Syntax)
I guess it happened very quickly, and the witnesses might've been understandably too shocked to react in time.
I guess it happened very quickly, and the witnesses might've been understandably too shocked to react in time.
キャサリン? !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,165
At least, they are not assaulting each other violently like in some Asian countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3USYeik6cBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-hNVfTZqw
Perhaps we should allow Congress to duke it out once in a while. Perhaps they could finally learn to compremise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3USYeik6cBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-hNVfTZqw
Perhaps we should allow Congress to duke it out once in a while. Perhaps they could finally learn to compremise.
Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,166
Syntax replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,168
@787,163 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> The Guardian is an international organisation with a US branch
When I look for something on the web regarding USA I am surprised that often The Guardian comes up on top for my 1st Google Search
However even more surprising is that they covered this event - Perhaps because it covered one of the few races where a democrat had a more than decent chance against a republican in a high voting republican arena.
Still Montana is a long plane ride from any other part of USA Civilization.
> The Guardian is an international organisation with a US branch
When I look for something on the web regarding USA I am surprised that often The Guardian comes up on top for my 1st Google Search
However even more surprising is that they covered this event - Perhaps because it covered one of the few races where a democrat had a more than decent chance against a republican in a high voting republican arena.
Still Montana is a long plane ride from any other part of USA Civilization.
Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 42 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,169
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,171
@787,161 (Meta)
"Pushing"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.html
This politician is a VIOLENT CRIMINAL.
"Pushing"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.html
At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, "I'm sick and tired of this!"
Jacobs scrambled to his knees and said something about his glasses being broken. He asked Faith, Keith and myself for our names. In shock, we did not answer. Jacobs then said he wanted the police called and went to leave. Gianforte looked at the three of us and repeatedly apologized. At that point, I told him and Scanlon, who was now present, that we needed a moment. The men then left.
Jacobs scrambled to his knees and said something about his glasses being broken. He asked Faith, Keith and myself for our names. In shock, we did not answer. Jacobs then said he wanted the police called and went to leave. Gianforte looked at the three of us and repeatedly apologized. At that point, I told him and Scanlon, who was now present, that we needed a moment. The men then left.
This politician is a VIOLENT CRIMINAL.
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Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,173
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
And he's just a congressman. Wait until you hear about the President.
And he's just a congressman. Wait until you hear about the President.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 29 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,176
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Oh yeah I heard we elected a president last year. What's that fellow like?
Oh yeah I heard we elected a president last year. What's that fellow like?
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 35 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,185
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Well, let's just say that if you're a fan of how congressman Gianforte handles things, you'll absolutely love President Trump.
Well, let's just say that if you're a fan of how congressman Gianforte handles things, you'll absolutely love President Trump.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 26 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,187
@787,171 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> This politician is a VIOLENT CRIMINAL
And he's been charged with a VIOLENT CRIME. The system works. I'm proud to live in a country where even a congressman isn't above the law.
@787,166 (E)
> So we're suddenly trusting Fox news??
???????
When it makes a conservative look bad it's the fairest most truthfulest news outlet ever.
@787,163 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> You should probably see a doctor about removing that conspiracy theorist from inside you. They might be messing up your judgement.
That's exactly what a globalist would say...
> The Guardian is an international organisation with a US branch. They have US reporters that cover US issues. A Guardian reporter being there isn't really unusual.
But I mean we're talking about a barren wasteland with a lower population density than Mars. And an election that most Americans don't know or care about. I simply cannot imagine that - apart from the bodyslamming - that anyone in the UK cares about who gets to represent Montana in the House of Representatives. Much like no one in America cares who gets to be MP for Salford and Eccles.
> As for the cameras, I believe they were talking in some sort of a side room where the cameras wouldn't have necessarily been on.
I'm not saying it was a false flag I was just surprised no one was filming it considering it was a media event.
> What's the alternative here, anyway? Why would the Fox News reporters have lied to smear a candidate that they'd probably be otherwise supporting? Did the subsequent police investigation get it wrong too?
No I didn't say they did. There's a pretty big range between "it seems odd no one got it on video" and "the whole thing never happened and everyone is lying".
> This politician is a VIOLENT CRIMINAL
And he's been charged with a VIOLENT CRIME. The system works. I'm proud to live in a country where even a congressman isn't above the law.
@787,166 (E)
> So we're suddenly trusting Fox news??
???????
When it makes a conservative look bad it's the fairest most truthfulest news outlet ever.
@787,163 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> You should probably see a doctor about removing that conspiracy theorist from inside you. They might be messing up your judgement.
That's exactly what a globalist would say...
> The Guardian is an international organisation with a US branch. They have US reporters that cover US issues. A Guardian reporter being there isn't really unusual.
But I mean we're talking about a barren wasteland with a lower population density than Mars. And an election that most Americans don't know or care about. I simply cannot imagine that - apart from the bodyslamming - that anyone in the UK cares about who gets to represent Montana in the House of Representatives. Much like no one in America cares who gets to be MP for Salford and Eccles.
> As for the cameras, I believe they were talking in some sort of a side room where the cameras wouldn't have necessarily been on.
I'm not saying it was a false flag I was just surprised no one was filming it considering it was a media event.
> What's the alternative here, anyway? Why would the Fox News reporters have lied to smear a candidate that they'd probably be otherwise supporting? Did the subsequent police investigation get it wrong too?
No I didn't say they did. There's a pretty big range between "it seems odd no one got it on video" and "the whole thing never happened and everyone is lying".
Meta double-posted this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,188
I do think though that a lot of the "Gianforte wins election after bodyslamming reporter" headlines are misleading because, as Becky pointed out, most people had already voted before the bodyslamming.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 21 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,192
@787,187 (Meta)
> But I mean we're talking about a barren wasteland with a lower population density than Mars. And an election that most Americans don't know or care about. I simply cannot imagine that - apart from the bodyslamming - that anyone in the UK cares about who gets to represent Montana in the House of Representatives.
The Guardian isn't a UK-only outlet, it has quite a US readership. Check this out:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/advertising/guardian-america-traffic-statistics
With that sort of presence, it makes sense they've got reporters out there covering all the events.
> No I didn't say they did. There's a pretty big range between "it seems odd no one got it on video" and "the whole thing never happened and everyone is lying".
I didn't mean to be so rude. I mean, just, what's the alternative? Either the multiple witnesses were lying, or they were telling the truth. Yeah there's no video, but I don't see anything dubious about that.
> But I mean we're talking about a barren wasteland with a lower population density than Mars. And an election that most Americans don't know or care about. I simply cannot imagine that - apart from the bodyslamming - that anyone in the UK cares about who gets to represent Montana in the House of Representatives.
The Guardian isn't a UK-only outlet, it has quite a US readership. Check this out:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/advertising/guardian-america-traffic-statistics
With that sort of presence, it makes sense they've got reporters out there covering all the events.
> No I didn't say they did. There's a pretty big range between "it seems odd no one got it on video" and "the whole thing never happened and everyone is lying".
I didn't mean to be so rude. I mean, just, what's the alternative? Either the multiple witnesses were lying, or they were telling the truth. Yeah there's no video, but I don't see anything dubious about that.
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Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,193
Lol this line from the statement
"It's unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer BBQ."
"It's unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer BBQ."
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 40 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,194
@previous (E)
> Lol this line from the statement
> "It's unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer BBQ."
lol
ugh
> Lol this line from the statement
> "It's unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer BBQ."
lol
ugh
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,198
@787,187 (Meta)
I was pointing out that it wasn't just a "shove". You were minimizing the actual event weirdly. And how can you say he's not above the law if he hasn't even been judged guilty or not guilty?
I was pointing out that it wasn't just a "shove". You were minimizing the actual event weirdly. And how can you say he's not above the law if he hasn't even been judged guilty or not guilty?
Anonymous K replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,199
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,202
@previous (K)
Montana never did - and never will - matter. Thanks.
@787,198 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I never said "shove" I said "Pushing a pushy British journalist" which was a pun. The guy was pushy so he got pushed to the ground after being grabbed by the throat.
> And how can you say he's not above the law if he hasn't even been judged guilty or not guilty?
That's for a jury of his peers to decide, if he chooses to take it to trial.
Montana never did - and never will - matter. Thanks.
@787,198 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I never said "shove" I said "Pushing a pushy British journalist" which was a pun. The guy was pushy so he got pushed to the ground after being grabbed by the throat.
> And how can you say he's not above the law if he hasn't even been judged guilty or not guilty?
That's for a jury of his peers to decide, if he chooses to take it to trial.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,203
@previous (Meta)
I'm just saying it's weird to preemptively say he isn't "above the law" when that's contingent upon his trial, which hasn't happened yet, and may never happen.
I'm just saying it's weird to preemptively say he isn't "above the law" when that's contingent upon his trial, which hasn't happened yet, and may never happen.
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Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,205
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think Meta is right. He isn't above the law, and his being charged alone has shown that. I hope that, whatever the outcome is, this man is punished appropriately.
There's been a very worrying trend lately of politicians demonising media outlets that question them. If this man isn't held to account for outright assaulting a journalist whose questions he disliked, I will be very worried.
I think Meta is right. He isn't above the law, and his being charged alone has shown that. I hope that, whatever the outcome is, this man is punished appropriately.
There's been a very worrying trend lately of politicians demonising media outlets that question them. If this man isn't held to account for outright assaulting a journalist whose questions he disliked, I will be very worried.
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,207
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
It's because the damn President has said that all news that does not praise him is fake.
It's because the damn President has said that all news that does not praise him is fake.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,209
@787,171 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
From that description it sounds like the headlines are misleading. That's a chokeslam, not a body slam.
From that description it sounds like the headlines are misleading. That's a chokeslam, not a body slam.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,210
@previous (L)
Unfortunately The Undertaker was not on hand to provide a technical description at the time of the event.
Unfortunately The Undertaker was not on hand to provide a technical description at the time of the event.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,211
@787,207 (The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM)
That's what I'm referring to. He doesn't like that the media can scrutinise him, so he's trying to make Americans less trusting of those outlets. The inauguration debacle was a comical, yet chilling example of that.
To be clear, I don't think this particular example was anything bigger than a reckless hothead losing his temper, but it's happened in a really worrying context.
That's what I'm referring to. He doesn't like that the media can scrutinise him, so he's trying to make Americans less trusting of those outlets. The inauguration debacle was a comical, yet chilling example of that.
To be clear, I don't think this particular example was anything bigger than a reckless hothead losing his temper, but it's happened in a really worrying context.
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 9 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,212
@787,210 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You want to piss off all the Republicans? Getting the names of wrestling moves wrong is a sure fire way.
You want to piss off all the Republicans? Getting the names of wrestling moves wrong is a sure fire way.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,213
@previous (L)
Well, the reporter is the one who called it a body slam first. Though I'm willing to give him a pass on the wrestling vocabulary this time.
Well, the reporter is the one who called it a body slam first. Though I'm willing to give him a pass on the wrestling vocabulary this time.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,214
@787,203 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Gianforte can't stop the trial. He could try to plea bargain, maybe the prosecutor could drop the charges (for lack of evidence, doubtful a jury would convict, bigger fish to fry, etc) but Gianforte has no say in it. He cannot stop them from prosecuting him. He is not above the law.
Gianforte can't stop the trial. He could try to plea bargain, maybe the prosecutor could drop the charges (for lack of evidence, doubtful a jury would convict, bigger fish to fry, etc) but Gianforte has no say in it. He cannot stop them from prosecuting him. He is not above the law.
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,218
@787,213 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I'm surprised it wasn't called a judo kick, or donkey punch to the ground then. The description of a body slam is important when it's the headline that news folks are running with. Obviously fake news all around, wasn't even a body slam...
I'm surprised it wasn't called a judo kick, or donkey punch to the ground then. The description of a body slam is important when it's the headline that news folks are running with. Obviously fake news all around, wasn't even a body slam...
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 32 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,223
@787,214 (Meta)
> Gianforte can't stop the trial
Why are you assuming the very thing I'm disputing? What if he really leans on the prosecutor to drop the case? What if the case is dropped for ostensibly plausible reasons and then the prosecutor gets some kind of promotion/job hops to a much better gig? What if he gets off with a slap on the wrist and no serious punishment? What if he threatens to use his considerable fortune to drag out the case for months/years and so it never goes to trial? These are all things that haven't happened yet, could happen, and would mean that he is above the law. There is a range of outcomes where i'd say he wasn't above the law, and a range of outcomes where I'd say he is above the law, but neither can come to fruition until the issue is actually starting to be litigated, or is shelved abruptly. It's just incredibly premature to say he got charged so he is going to be subject to the same legal process the rest of us non-millionaire/non-influential people are.
> Gianforte can't stop the trial
Why are you assuming the very thing I'm disputing? What if he really leans on the prosecutor to drop the case? What if the case is dropped for ostensibly plausible reasons and then the prosecutor gets some kind of promotion/job hops to a much better gig? What if he gets off with a slap on the wrist and no serious punishment? What if he threatens to use his considerable fortune to drag out the case for months/years and so it never goes to trial? These are all things that haven't happened yet, could happen, and would mean that he is above the law. There is a range of outcomes where i'd say he wasn't above the law, and a range of outcomes where I'd say he is above the law, but neither can come to fruition until the issue is actually starting to be litigated, or is shelved abruptly. It's just incredibly premature to say he got charged so he is going to be subject to the same legal process the rest of us non-millionaire/non-influential people are.
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Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 2 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #787,252
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
That would even more illegal. That ups the ante from misdemeanor bodyslam to, like, felony charges. It would not be in Gianforte's interest to dig himself into a deeper hole.
That would even more illegal. That ups the ante from misdemeanor bodyslam to, like, felony charges. It would not be in Gianforte's interest to dig himself into a deeper hole.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 11 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,303
@previous (Meta)
Luckily Mr. Gianforte only does things that do not dig him into a hole, and acts rationally when confronted with adversity.
Luckily Mr. Gianforte only does things that do not dig him into a hole, and acts rationally when confronted with adversity.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,357
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I also liked this part of the article
Going up to a guy uninvited and shoving a voice recorder in his face and not leaving him alone when he repeatedly asks you to go away is not "aggression".
I also liked this part of the article
Ben Jacobs of The Guardian — walked into the room with a voice recorder, put it up to Gianforte's face and began asking if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act. Gianforte told him he would get to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.
...
To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte
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To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte
Going up to a guy uninvited and shoving a voice recorder in his face and not leaving him alone when he repeatedly asks you to go away is not "aggression".
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,358
@previous (Meta)
When it is the press, that is not aggression. That is a part of doing business for politicians. If a politician cannot handle the press, then he needs to find another job.
When it is the press, that is not aggression. That is a part of doing business for politicians. If a politician cannot handle the press, then he needs to find another job.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,363
“It got really blown out of proportion,” said David Runia of the assault. “I think the reporter is the one who should be charged, if anything.”
“We know him,” added Hannah Runia, speaking of Gianforte. “He’s a great guy.”
Lowell Springer, another Gianforte voter, agreed. “He’s a very polite guy,” he said. “There’s an end to everyone’s patience.”
Colter Dykman, a finance manager and Quist supporter, said that the incident had given him hope that his candidate might win.
“If that doesn’t change your vote, where do you draw the line?” he asked.
But overall, no one seemed particularly shocked that the campaign season had come to this.
Seth Thomas, who declined to state how he voted, said that the incident had “tarnished” Gianforte’s reputation, but added: “Everyone gets in fights in Montana.”
“We know him,” added Hannah Runia, speaking of Gianforte. “He’s a great guy.”
Lowell Springer, another Gianforte voter, agreed. “He’s a very polite guy,” he said. “There’s an end to everyone’s patience.”
Colter Dykman, a finance manager and Quist supporter, said that the incident had given him hope that his candidate might win.
“If that doesn’t change your vote, where do you draw the line?” he asked.
But overall, no one seemed particularly shocked that the campaign season had come to this.
Seth Thomas, who declined to state how he voted, said that the incident had “tarnished” Gianforte’s reputation, but added: “Everyone gets in fights in Montana.”
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,366
@787,358 (The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM)
No. It's aggression no matter who does it. Gianforte did handle the press: he told Jacobs he would get back to him later, and referred him to his press secretary for further details.
No. It's aggression no matter who does it. Gianforte did handle the press: he told Jacobs he would get back to him later, and referred him to his press secretary for further details.
The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,367
@previous (Meta)
The press has the right to demand answers. He did not touch Manfarte at all. He just was persistent in his questioning. The First Amendment allows this. Why do you seem to automatically take the side of authoritarian fascists over the press and free speech? You do this with Trump too.
The press has the right to demand answers. He did not touch Manfarte at all. He just was persistent in his questioning. The First Amendment allows this. Why do you seem to automatically take the side of authoritarian fascists over the press and free speech? You do this with Trump too.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,368
@787,357 (Meta)
That's part of being a politician. You can't just avoid the media especially on the day before election day. 99.9% of politicians manage to not chokeslam reporters even when they're being pushy. I don't get this weird excusing you keep doing for shitty Republican candidates.
That's part of being a politician. You can't just avoid the media especially on the day before election day. 99.9% of politicians manage to not chokeslam reporters even when they're being pushy. I don't get this weird excusing you keep doing for shitty Republican candidates.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,369
Here is a politician with multiple reporters putting recorders and microphones in his face. Count the number of chokeslams occurring.(Edited 38 seconds later.)
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,370
@787,367 (The Witch Doctor !6W1Zpe4MCM)
> The press has the right to demand answers.
Absolutely. They do not, however, have the right to shove a recorder in a man's face and keep it in his face after being told to leave three times.
> He did not touch Manfarte at all. He just was persistent in his questioning. The First Amendment allows this.
You don't have to touch someone to be aggressive. Keeping a recorder shoved in someone's face is aggression.
> Why do you seem to automatically take the side of authoritarian fascists over the press and free speech? You do this with Trump too.
I've never taken the side of any fascist ever. There hasn't even been real fascism since like 1945. Trump is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
> The press has the right to demand answers.
Absolutely. They do not, however, have the right to shove a recorder in a man's face and keep it in his face after being told to leave three times.
> He did not touch Manfarte at all. He just was persistent in his questioning. The First Amendment allows this.
You don't have to touch someone to be aggressive. Keeping a recorder shoved in someone's face is aggression.
> Why do you seem to automatically take the side of authoritarian fascists over the press and free speech? You do this with Trump too.
I've never taken the side of any fascist ever. There hasn't even been real fascism since like 1945. Trump is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,373
@previous (Meta)
> > Why do you seem to automatically take the side of authoritarian fascists over the press and free speech? You do this with Trump too.
> I've never taken the side of any fascist ever.
Meta... My man... He has a point. For libertarian, you do seem to defend overtly authoritarian politicians a lot.
No, Trump isn't an outright fascist. But he shows a naked disdain towards the press for questioning him, and openly attempts to discredit them with his fake news spiel. And, to some extent, ifs working. More Americans are willing to dismiss anti-Trump news as "fake news".
As a liberty-liking man, are you not uncomfortable that Trump is overtly attacking your country's free press?
> > Why do you seem to automatically take the side of authoritarian fascists over the press and free speech? You do this with Trump too.
> I've never taken the side of any fascist ever.
Meta... My man... He has a point. For libertarian, you do seem to defend overtly authoritarian politicians a lot.
No, Trump isn't an outright fascist. But he shows a naked disdain towards the press for questioning him, and openly attempts to discredit them with his fake news spiel. And, to some extent, ifs working. More Americans are willing to dismiss anti-Trump news as "fake news".
As a liberty-liking man, are you not uncomfortable that Trump is overtly attacking your country's free press?
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Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,377
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
He's just pointing out that the press it not free and hasn't been for many years. Wikileaks is the only free press
He's just pointing out that the press it not free and hasn't been for many years. Wikileaks is the only free press
Anonymous M replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,386
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,388
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,390
@787,373 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Meta... My man... He has a point. For libertarian, you do seem to defend overtly authoritarian politicians a lot.
I'm not saying Gianforte's response was proportional or appropriate, I'm just saying the reporter was out of line. I personally, would have, like gently pushed the reporter's arm away from me. But I wasn't there and it's always easy to play monday morning quarterback as they say here in Texas.
> No, Trump isn't an outright fascist. But he shows a naked disdain towards the press for questioning him, and openly attempts to discredit them with his fake news spiel. And, to some extent, ifs working. More Americans are willing to dismiss anti-Trump news as "fake news".
The mainstream press hates him so it's only natural he'd hate them back. They trashed him, constantly, every day for 2 years and counting (and for many years before he became a candidate). What do they expect?
> As a liberty-liking man, are you not uncomfortable that Trump is overtly attacking your country's free press?
I have not seen any evidence that Trump is trying to attack freedom of the press in any way. He thinks they're fake and he's certainly entitled to his opinion and his own freedom of speech to say so on Twitter.
> Meta... My man... He has a point. For libertarian, you do seem to defend overtly authoritarian politicians a lot.
I'm not saying Gianforte's response was proportional or appropriate, I'm just saying the reporter was out of line. I personally, would have, like gently pushed the reporter's arm away from me. But I wasn't there and it's always easy to play monday morning quarterback as they say here in Texas.
> No, Trump isn't an outright fascist. But he shows a naked disdain towards the press for questioning him, and openly attempts to discredit them with his fake news spiel. And, to some extent, ifs working. More Americans are willing to dismiss anti-Trump news as "fake news".
The mainstream press hates him so it's only natural he'd hate them back. They trashed him, constantly, every day for 2 years and counting (and for many years before he became a candidate). What do they expect?
> As a liberty-liking man, are you not uncomfortable that Trump is overtly attacking your country's free press?
I have not seen any evidence that Trump is trying to attack freedom of the press in any way. He thinks they're fake and he's certainly entitled to his opinion and his own freedom of speech to say so on Twitter.
(Edited 2 minutes later.)
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,401
@previous (Meta)
> The mainstream press hates him so it's only natural he'd hate them back.
That does not really make it okay. As the President he should, ideally, rise above that and want to uphold a free press. Instead he lets it get to him massively and constantly works to undermine the media.
I'm sure Theresa May doesn't like the Guardian constantly questioning her party, but she never feels the need to go out and tell people that the Guardian is fake news that people shouldn't listen to.
> He thinks they're fake and he's certainly entitled to his opinion and his own freedom of speech to say so on Twitter.
He's not just some random guy on Twitter... He's the President. And he is using his influence over American citizens to encourage distrust of the media. Yeah he's not outright banning the press, but he's doing the next best thing by spreading this idea of "fake news". If the citizens have been convinced that a free press is just "fake news", then the press is useless and cannot adequately serve its democratic function.
> The mainstream press hates him so it's only natural he'd hate them back.
That does not really make it okay. As the President he should, ideally, rise above that and want to uphold a free press. Instead he lets it get to him massively and constantly works to undermine the media.
I'm sure Theresa May doesn't like the Guardian constantly questioning her party, but she never feels the need to go out and tell people that the Guardian is fake news that people shouldn't listen to.
> He thinks they're fake and he's certainly entitled to his opinion and his own freedom of speech to say so on Twitter.
He's not just some random guy on Twitter... He's the President. And he is using his influence over American citizens to encourage distrust of the media. Yeah he's not outright banning the press, but he's doing the next best thing by spreading this idea of "fake news". If the citizens have been convinced that a free press is just "fake news", then the press is useless and cannot adequately serve its democratic function.
(Edited 17 seconds later.)
Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #787,408
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 1 week later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #789,970
Update: Gianforte has issued a substantial apology, and donated $50,000 to the Committee to Protect Journslists. But he still faces criminal charges.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/07/greg-gianforte-ben-jacobs-assault-case-civil-settlement
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/07/greg-gianforte-ben-jacobs-assault-case-civil-settlement
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #789,971
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #789,975
@789,970 (Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Wow! I was legitimately not expecting that!
Maybe he is actually a good guy who just lost his cool in the heat of the moment.
Wow! I was legitimately not expecting that!
Maybe he is actually a good guy who just lost his cool in the heat of the moment.
Anonymous K replied with this 9 years ago, 47 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #789,985
@previous (Meta)
> Wow! I was legitimately not expecting that!
>
> Maybe he is actually a good guy who just lost his cool in the heat of the moment.
you were defending him anyway shitlord
> Wow! I was legitimately not expecting that!
>
> Maybe he is actually a good guy who just lost his cool in the heat of the moment.
you were defending him anyway shitlord
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #790,018
@789,975 (Meta)
You are trying so hard to defend him it's bizarre. He didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart. He did this to settle a civil lawsuit against him brought by the reporter. He is worth $315 million. $50k to make a civil suit go away is peanuts. None of this changes the fact that he attacked a reporter, lied about it in a public press release, only admitted that he actually assaulted the reporter after Fox News reporters independently confirmed it, won the election anyway and then paid a measly sum to avoid costly and embarrassing litigation. Oh and by the way the sheriff investigating him donated $250 to his campaign. This is just a case of a rich dude breaking the law and buying his way out of any significant consequences. I don't get why you're trying so hard to defend him. It boggles my mind.
You are trying so hard to defend him it's bizarre. He didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart. He did this to settle a civil lawsuit against him brought by the reporter. He is worth $315 million. $50k to make a civil suit go away is peanuts. None of this changes the fact that he attacked a reporter, lied about it in a public press release, only admitted that he actually assaulted the reporter after Fox News reporters independently confirmed it, won the election anyway and then paid a measly sum to avoid costly and embarrassing litigation. Oh and by the way the sheriff investigating him donated $250 to his campaign. This is just a case of a rich dude breaking the law and buying his way out of any significant consequences. I don't get why you're trying so hard to defend him. It boggles my mind.
Meta replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #790,023
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I don't read things all the way and tend to jump to conclusions!
sorry :(
I don't read things all the way and tend to jump to conclusions!
sorry :(
Anonymous L replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #790,032
Anonymous K replied with this 9 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #790,102
@790,023 (Meta)
> I don't read things all the way and tend to jump to conclusions!
>
> sorry :(
r e t. Ard
> I don't read things all the way and tend to jump to conclusions!
>
> sorry :(
r e t. Ard