Topic: Why leftist voted trump
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E started this discussion 9 years ago #58,803
Cause he brought class into the argument, stupid. While hillary did her thing, trump did his thing. His thing was called all kinds of names, but that's what class struggle is...... UGLY.
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Indy !KUahHbg6fY joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #751,073
Yeah, but he pretended to be interested in the poor, working class, when in reality, he lives in a literal golden palace.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 47 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,074
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,076
@751,073 (Indy !KUahHbg6fY)
The poor are not classist. Trump isn't guilty for simply belonging to the upper class.
The poor are not classist. Trump isn't guilty for simply belonging to the upper class.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,080
This topic is incoherent, as usual.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,081
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,082
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
I don't disagree with you, because you haven't made an actual point I can disagree with. And I am capable of understanding points of view that I do not hold, but if you can't you should work on that.
I don't disagree with you, because you haven't made an actual point I can disagree with. And I am capable of understanding points of view that I do not hold, but if you can't you should work on that.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,083
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Yeah okay.... But are you capable of explaining what you don't understand?
Yeah okay.... But are you capable of explaining what you don't understand?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 44 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,084
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,090
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I see...
You see, in society there are groups of people. Sometimes they are divided into three groups in terms of economic standards:
#1 lower class
#2 middle class
#3 upper class
While hillary did speak for some of the underprivileged like transsexuals and gays, she neglected the middle and lower class, or at least the people struggling in those two classes.
That's where trump comes in, because he hated on the wealthy "elite" he was able to draw in support from leftists who saw themselves in a class struggle.
Hillary was not able to do so because her focus was on so called the pc struggle, but class struggle is anything but pc, it's as ugly as it gets.
If you still don't understand anything, I'm afraid I don't understand anything you are saying so please be detailed.
I see...
You see, in society there are groups of people. Sometimes they are divided into three groups in terms of economic standards:
#1 lower class
#2 middle class
#3 upper class
While hillary did speak for some of the underprivileged like transsexuals and gays, she neglected the middle and lower class, or at least the people struggling in those two classes.
That's where trump comes in, because he hated on the wealthy "elite" he was able to draw in support from leftists who saw themselves in a class struggle.
Hillary was not able to do so because her focus was on so called the pc struggle, but class struggle is anything but pc, it's as ugly as it gets.
If you still don't understand anything, I'm afraid I don't understand anything you are saying so please be detailed.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,102
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
They appealed to different kinds of people in those classes. Clinton won the poor vote. She won the total vote. She lost among the white working class. It's more complicated than just "class struggle" but I feel like you don't engage in any data even at a cursory level, so you don't have any way of checking if your ideas are a good explanation or not.
They appealed to different kinds of people in those classes. Clinton won the poor vote. She won the total vote. She lost among the white working class. It's more complicated than just "class struggle" but I feel like you don't engage in any data even at a cursory level, so you don't have any way of checking if your ideas are a good explanation or not.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,104
@751,073 (Indy !KUahHbg6fY)
> Yeah, but he pretended to be interested in the poor, working class, when in reality, he lives in a literal golden palace.
And Hillary lives in a shack?
> Yeah, but he pretended to be interested in the poor, working class, when in reality, he lives in a literal golden palace.
And Hillary lives in a shack?
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,107
@751,102 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Sorry I don't understand anything you said. Are you capable of describing more in detail like i did for you?
Sorry I don't understand anything you said. Are you capable of describing more in detail like i did for you?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,109
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
Yes. There is such a thing as data. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
If your theory does not conform to the data, then it is wrong. Your theory does not conform to the data. Therefore it is wrong.
Yes. There is such a thing as data. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
If your theory does not conform to the data, then it is wrong. Your theory does not conform to the data. Therefore it is wrong.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,110
I think OP is over-thinking what is commonly called "pandering".
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 37 seconds later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,111
@751,109 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Ah some link to some data. Very useful. I will do you one better, i will give you a fact. People voted for trump, the majority voted for trump.
Let me guess, they all stupid right?
Ah some link to some data. Very useful. I will do you one better, i will give you a fact. People voted for trump, the majority voted for trump.
Let me guess, they all stupid right?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,115
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
The majority did not vote for Trump. This is why I am so frustrated talking to you. You do not even make the most basic attempt to understand the issue at hand. Instead you watch a zizek video and try to apply some bastardized version of marxist analysis to an issue that may not even be amenable to it, and declare anyone who disagrees with your bizarre and unfounded assertions as the ones at fault. I swear you make threads just to get your thoughts out of your head, and not because you actually care what other people have to say about them.
The majority did not vote for Trump. This is why I am so frustrated talking to you. You do not even make the most basic attempt to understand the issue at hand. Instead you watch a zizek video and try to apply some bastardized version of marxist analysis to an issue that may not even be amenable to it, and declare anyone who disagrees with your bizarre and unfounded assertions as the ones at fault. I swear you make threads just to get your thoughts out of your head, and not because you actually care what other people have to say about them.
Anonymous E replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,116
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
So you're saying philosophy isn't something you can learn by watching a few YouTube videos?
So you're saying philosophy isn't something you can learn by watching a few YouTube videos?
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,117
@751,115 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Well okay dude. Trump won not by popular vote but by the rules established long before him. Alright, I admit that, m sry k?
But I don't see how that counters the argument of him winning because he brought class into the issue.
Well okay dude. Trump won not by popular vote but by the rules established long before him. Alright, I admit that, m sry k?
But I don't see how that counters the argument of him winning because he brought class into the issue.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #751,120
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
Because he didn't win among any one economic class by a big margin. He lost among the very poor and working poor. He won by 4 percent among middle class and basically split upper middle class and upper class. Analyzing this purely by income makes very little sense.
Because he didn't win among any one economic class by a big margin. He lost among the very poor and working poor. He won by 4 percent among middle class and basically split upper middle class and upper class. Analyzing this purely by income makes very little sense.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,122
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,123
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
You're arguing in a circle. You say that he won by exploiting class warfare. I would think if this were true, he appealed to some class or classes by a lot more than Hillary Clinton. He didn't. Your counterargument is that he won by exploiting class warfare because because he won. Do you not see the circularity of your reasoning?
You're arguing in a circle. You say that he won by exploiting class warfare. I would think if this were true, he appealed to some class or classes by a lot more than Hillary Clinton. He didn't. Your counterargument is that he won by exploiting class warfare because because he won. Do you not see the circularity of your reasoning?
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brie !kGoudaMCFA joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,124
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It's simple fake anon. He won because he used class warfare. He used class warfare because he won.
It's simple fake anon. He won because he used class warfare. He used class warfare because he won.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,126
@751,123 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I'm simply agreeing with my self proclaimed comrade, slavoj zizek.
Sure I don't have any evidence, despite trump making class a relevant issue during the debate. Me not having any evidence regarding why trump won goes for everybody however and the margins by which he won ultimately has very little effects on the explanation of it all.
Yes I don't have any evidence and so it's all speculation, but it's not any more of a speculation than anyone else's.
They all thought trump was going to lose even in the very beginning, showing "data" and what not.... But it was all wrong. Very wrong.
I'm simply agreeing with my self proclaimed comrade, slavoj zizek.
Sure I don't have any evidence, despite trump making class a relevant issue during the debate. Me not having any evidence regarding why trump won goes for everybody however and the margins by which he won ultimately has very little effects on the explanation of it all.
Yes I don't have any evidence and so it's all speculation, but it's not any more of a speculation than anyone else's.
They all thought trump was going to lose even in the very beginning, showing "data" and what not.... But it was all wrong. Very wrong.
brie !kGoudaMCFA replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,127
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,128
@751,126 (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
Class is always an issue during american politics. Bernie Sanders ran explicitly on a class-based message, to a fault. Clinton openly said she would raise taxes on the wealthy. There's a difference between not having evidence, and being directly in opposition to the evidence. The former means your theory is untested, the latter means it's wrong. You fall into the latter category. This is one of the reasons that I am not a fan of marxism generally. When everything is analyzed in terms of class struggle, or social relations among classes, I think a lot of nuance and alternative explanations are necessarily overlooked.
Class is always an issue during american politics. Bernie Sanders ran explicitly on a class-based message, to a fault. Clinton openly said she would raise taxes on the wealthy. There's a difference between not having evidence, and being directly in opposition to the evidence. The former means your theory is untested, the latter means it's wrong. You fall into the latter category. This is one of the reasons that I am not a fan of marxism generally. When everything is analyzed in terms of class struggle, or social relations among classes, I think a lot of nuance and alternative explanations are necessarily overlooked.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 22 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,129
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,130
@751,128 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Hillary made money from wall sreet speeches, she got money from Saudi Arabia.
Hillary made money from wall sreet speeches, she got money from Saudi Arabia.
brie !kGoudaMCFA replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,131
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,132
@751,130 (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
Donald Trump took tens of millions of dollars from gambling addicted poor people at his casinos and is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to chinese and german banks. None of this is relevant to your point and you are just flailing around trying to disagree, and not succeeding. You are not winning any argument by doing that fyi.
Donald Trump took tens of millions of dollars from gambling addicted poor people at his casinos and is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to chinese and german banks. None of this is relevant to your point and you are just flailing around trying to disagree, and not succeeding. You are not winning any argument by doing that fyi.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,133
@751,131 (brie !kGoudaMCFA)
Consider your self lucky that I don't use this as a excuse to talk about traumatisi experiences involving reading scored
Consider your self lucky that I don't use this as a excuse to talk about traumatisi experiences involving reading scored
brie !kGoudaMCFA replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,134
? joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,136
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,137
@751,132 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Look, I don't like trump. Ever since I was a child i have hated him for firing people, while also making a tv show of. it.
But if it were just hillary and some nobody Republic, Hillary would have won BUT EVEN SO, a hillary victory would mean a left party getting more comfortable as it is already, even as already it's straying away from the working class.
In my eyes, the Democratic party deserves a beating like trump is. My only hope is that they will learn something instead of complaining and whining. Behind every fascism there is a failed leftist revolution, let's hope trump wakes up the left.... But I worry that the left cannot be waken up. It's unable to listen to the working class at the moment.
Look, I don't like trump. Ever since I was a child i have hated him for firing people, while also making a tv show of. it.
But if it were just hillary and some nobody Republic, Hillary would have won BUT EVEN SO, a hillary victory would mean a left party getting more comfortable as it is already, even as already it's straying away from the working class.
In my eyes, the Democratic party deserves a beating like trump is. My only hope is that they will learn something instead of complaining and whining. Behind every fascism there is a failed leftist revolution, let's hope trump wakes up the left.... But I worry that the left cannot be waken up. It's unable to listen to the working class at the moment.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 38 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,138
brie !kGoudaMCFA replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,140
@751,137 (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
Fun Fact: There is no left or right in modern american politics; everybody is essentially a centrist.
Fun Fact: There is no left or right in modern american politics; everybody is essentially a centrist.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,141
@previous (brie !kGoudaMCFA)
You say that but don't you have strong feelings over who should have won?
You say that but don't you have strong feelings over who should have won?
? replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,143
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #751,144
@751,137 (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
It's the not just the working class though, which is my point. It's the WHITE working class. American politics is very racialized. She won 75 percent of nonwhites without a college degree and Trump won 67 percent of whites without a college degree. I'm not a marxist but I would imagine that the marxist analysis would be something like this: Trump used fear of foreigners and other races in America to divide the working class among themselves, and against the "other", and used that discord to convince the white majority to vote for him because he would protect them from the true cause of their ills, the mexicans and the black people in inner cities. Meanwhile, the actual source of their problems, the rent-seeking capitalist millionaire and billionaire class, waltz into power and enrich themselves even more at the expense of the poor. As evidenced by the repeal of Obamacare and related taxes, plus the appointment of multiple billionaires to Trump's cabinet.
If you had typed anything resembling that, which I think is wrong, I would have at least given you credit for having an explanation that fit both the facts and your ideology. You didn't even do that much though.
It's the not just the working class though, which is my point. It's the WHITE working class. American politics is very racialized. She won 75 percent of nonwhites without a college degree and Trump won 67 percent of whites without a college degree. I'm not a marxist but I would imagine that the marxist analysis would be something like this: Trump used fear of foreigners and other races in America to divide the working class among themselves, and against the "other", and used that discord to convince the white majority to vote for him because he would protect them from the true cause of their ills, the mexicans and the black people in inner cities. Meanwhile, the actual source of their problems, the rent-seeking capitalist millionaire and billionaire class, waltz into power and enrich themselves even more at the expense of the poor. As evidenced by the repeal of Obamacare and related taxes, plus the appointment of multiple billionaires to Trump's cabinet.
If you had typed anything resembling that, which I think is wrong, I would have at least given you credit for having an explanation that fit both the facts and your ideology. You didn't even do that much though.
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assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,145
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You simply do not understand. You lack the reality "factor". Like in Iceland, the party and the only party i have been able to vote for (the Pirates) lost all their power because of one thing- they said they would abolish the curch and state relationship. This caused the older voters to votr for a party which gained the majority in the elections. Now, there is no left power in control at Iceland.
I don't care what the statistics are, dear fake anon, I care about who wins the game and you can twist it and manipulate. The fact still remains that the left lost. Sure okay, maybe it lost in a unfair way or whatever makes you feel better.
BUT THE LEFT MUST ADAPT OR THE FASCIST WILL WIN
this means no pc politics, only class struggle.
You simply do not understand. You lack the reality "factor". Like in Iceland, the party and the only party i have been able to vote for (the Pirates) lost all their power because of one thing- they said they would abolish the curch and state relationship. This caused the older voters to votr for a party which gained the majority in the elections. Now, there is no left power in control at Iceland.
I don't care what the statistics are, dear fake anon, I care about who wins the game and you can twist it and manipulate. The fact still remains that the left lost. Sure okay, maybe it lost in a unfair way or whatever makes you feel better.
BUT THE LEFT MUST ADAPT OR THE FASCIST WILL WIN
this means no pc politics, only class struggle.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,147
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
You need to step away from the ideology koolaid. I tried to be patient and present an argument based on reasonable conclusions drawn from data, because I also want the left, broadly speaking, to be in power. The left did not lose because donald trump pitted the lower class against the upper class, or the middle class against against the lower class, or anything like that. The most plausible marxist argument, as I laid out above, is that Trump pitted the lower class against itself. You did nothing to even suggest that's what you meant. The reality is much more complicated than a fucking six minute youtube video of slavoj zizek will encapsulate. If you cannot understand that then you are so wedded to your ideology that you cannot be reasoned with, and any solution you develop will be so warped by adherence to an ideology that it will be an utter failure.
You need to step away from the ideology koolaid. I tried to be patient and present an argument based on reasonable conclusions drawn from data, because I also want the left, broadly speaking, to be in power. The left did not lose because donald trump pitted the lower class against the upper class, or the middle class against against the lower class, or anything like that. The most plausible marxist argument, as I laid out above, is that Trump pitted the lower class against itself. You did nothing to even suggest that's what you meant. The reality is much more complicated than a fucking six minute youtube video of slavoj zizek will encapsulate. If you cannot understand that then you are so wedded to your ideology that you cannot be reasoned with, and any solution you develop will be so warped by adherence to an ideology that it will be an utter failure.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,148
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Ffs. You sound just like the idiots that were so sure hillary would win. God help us all if you are anything like the left in the future.
Ffs. You sound just like the idiots that were so sure hillary would win. God help us all if you are anything like the left in the future.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,149
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
No I actually feel relatively comfortable with the left being more like me and less like you.
No I actually feel relatively comfortable with the left being more like me and less like you.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,151
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Yeah okay. If the left is anything like you, say goodbye to the left.
Trump won because he pitted the working class against each other!? Jesus fucking christ, even when the working class votes against you, yall manage to be condescending.
No no... Their votes was just ill informed..... I'm disappointed in you man. I see you as leadership material but now it's all clear, you will lead the left where no self respecting man will support you.
Change your possession.
Yeah okay. If the left is anything like you, say goodbye to the left.
Trump won because he pitted the working class against each other!? Jesus fucking christ, even when the working class votes against you, yall manage to be condescending.
No no... Their votes was just ill informed..... I'm disappointed in you man. I see you as leadership material but now it's all clear, you will lead the left where no self respecting man will support you.
Change your possession.
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? replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,152
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 41 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,153
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 57 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,155
@751,151 (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
Did you even read my post? I said TWICE that I didn't think that's what happened. I said that was to me a more plausible marxist argument than the confused one you presented. You haven't even given an argument besides "class warfare" without telling anyone which classes were pitted against which other classes, and why that argument is supported by the empirical data. If the left is as dysfunctional and aimless as you, then we are doomed. Luckily it's not.
Did you even read my post? I said TWICE that I didn't think that's what happened. I said that was to me a more plausible marxist argument than the confused one you presented. You haven't even given an argument besides "class warfare" without telling anyone which classes were pitted against which other classes, and why that argument is supported by the empirical data. If the left is as dysfunctional and aimless as you, then we are doomed. Luckily it's not.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,156
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
God dammit, be more clear. It's Friday night after all. Trust me, im not a cheeky bastard, if I understand your argument i will take you seriously but it all sounds like nothing man.
God dammit, be more clear. It's Friday night after all. Trust me, im not a cheeky bastard, if I understand your argument i will take you seriously but it all sounds like nothing man.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,157
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
I was incredibly clear. Nothing I typed was esoteric or complicated. I have yet to get a straight answer out of you though.
I was incredibly clear. Nothing I typed was esoteric or complicated. I have yet to get a straight answer out of you though.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,164
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,166
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,167
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
God dammit. So because I do drugs i can't have a opinion without it being dismissed!? Is that what this has come to?
God dammit. So because I do drugs i can't have a opinion without it being dismissed!? Is that what this has come to?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,168
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
No but drugs impair reading comprehension and reasoning ability. You are exhibiting a deficit of both of those skills in this thread. There is very little value to be had in a discussion where one person is in an altered state of mind.
No but drugs impair reading comprehension and reasoning ability. You are exhibiting a deficit of both of those skills in this thread. There is very little value to be had in a discussion where one person is in an altered state of mind.
? replied with this 9 years ago, 29 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,170
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,172
@751,168 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Dude, don't do that shit to me, I wouldn't dare do that to you. I realize you must have some good points but are you even able to agree to disagree with me?
I kid you not, it's not a coincidence the progressive left is beginning to be called regressive left.
Dude, don't do that shit to me, I wouldn't dare do that to you. I realize you must have some good points but are you even able to agree to disagree with me?
I kid you not, it's not a coincidence the progressive left is beginning to be called regressive left.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,175
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
It's not a coincidence that right ring people came up with a cute derogatory nickname for left wing people? I mean...I would be surprised if that didn't happen. You are, by the way, free at any point to answer my question I posed to you hours ago. How, specifically, did Trump use class warfare to win, and what evidence supports that theory? I will even take the first part and you can skip the evidence. Just what is your theory of how he did that?
It's not a coincidence that right ring people came up with a cute derogatory nickname for left wing people? I mean...I would be surprised if that didn't happen. You are, by the way, free at any point to answer my question I posed to you hours ago. How, specifically, did Trump use class warfare to win, and what evidence supports that theory? I will even take the first part and you can skip the evidence. Just what is your theory of how he did that?
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,179
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Damn it man. You being unfair, really man. Can even the half of the population bring up evidence all the time? No, there discussions were more reasonable than that.
I for one didn't provide evidence when I warned everyone of trumps victory.
So no. No evidence, just a memory of trump hating on the ruling class that's all.
Just hope the losing left can do better the next election than some cowardly defense of evidence. But that's not gonna happen.
Damn it man. You being unfair, really man. Can even the half of the population bring up evidence all the time? No, there discussions were more reasonable than that.
I for one didn't provide evidence when I warned everyone of trumps victory.
So no. No evidence, just a memory of trump hating on the ruling class that's all.
Just hope the losing left can do better the next election than some cowardly defense of evidence. But that's not gonna happen.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,180
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
READ my FUCKING posts pls. "I will even take the first part and you can skip the evidence. Just what is your theory of how he did that?"
WHAT, SPECIFICALLY, DID HE DO?
READ my FUCKING posts pls. "I will even take the first part and you can skip the evidence. Just what is your theory of how he did that?"
WHAT, SPECIFICALLY, DID HE DO?
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assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 12 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,183
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)FFS YOU STILL GONNA RIDICULOU ME!
but geez like i ain't immune to that already.
#1 he hated on people presumed in power
#2 he was the underdog in much of the media, the media being something a lot of us plebs fear ad it's able to ruin reputations.
#3 he promised jobs, something which is in a shortage and damaging the working class
#4 he stood up against the left as it tried to bully him.
Sure, one could twist it all and say hillary did the same But it don't matter, not only has trump made the left retreat in their crooked ways, he has put the left in a position where it's morally bankrupt. Will the left rise to the occasion or will it ignore the will of the people? That remains to be seen.
ken griffey sr joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 35 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,191
@751,107 (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
> Sorry I don't understand anything you said. Are you capable of describing more in detail like i did for you?
lol. retard
> Sorry I don't understand anything you said. Are you capable of describing more in detail like i did for you?
lol. retard
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,194
Anonymous F replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,198
I can't figure out if the cat is playing with the ball of string or the ball of string is playing with the cat.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,200
ken griffey sr replied with this 9 years ago, 17 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #751,203
i read the whole thing now that was some good thread