Topic: The edgy and dark side of what a wealthfare system means
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E started this discussion 9 years ago#57,474
When the government provides wealthfare many people see it as something good, they think this is maybe the highest form a moral society. But they are wrong.
It's great to have wealthfare, it's better than no welfare.
But isn't it very telling that basically in order for the weakest to be taken care of, a government must order the entire society to do it, for example in form of tax?
Without a power demanding it's subjects to help the weak, they would not all get help. Most of them would not.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 18 minutes later[^][v]#738,840
You can't help but to ask why then does a government help the weak, if everyone in that government is a person and all people need to be ordered to help the weak before they do it..... Then where did the idea come from?
I think the idea came with the realization that that we as humans aren't that great. In realizing we aren't great we finally began to improve because no longer was the goal to bring out the greatness in humanity that never exsisted. Instead the goal was to treat us all like the animals we are. It's the beginning of us increasingly being governed.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 10 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,842
oh, okay
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 48 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,844
So if America is to be made "great" again
It must rely on none humans. A formless entity like a government.
The question is how can we as something alone in the universe, create something to improve us which doesn't rely on humans?
We had a breakthrough with governmental changes but now we are stagnating because all the governments we claim is least able to be corrupted by people only takes us so far because all of them rely on people.
Anonymous B replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,849
oh, okay
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 18 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,856
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,873
So programs like soup kitchens and homeless shelters don't exist? Because the government forces them to help others? The problem here is money. If it wasn't for money being the primary method of sustaining oneself then we may be able to afford assisting others. But, again, any governing system looks good on paper until you infect it with humans.
Anonymous C replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,877
I think you may be misunderstanding me. It's not that genuine human kindness doesn't exist, it just doesn't exist enough.
That's the reason government welfare exists. So a government providing welfare is a good thing but the reason they do it is bad, they do it because without a power (like a government) assisting the weak, the weak would be neglected.
I agree with your last two statements. I'm not bashing welfare if that's what you think.
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assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 22 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,880
dw joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 50 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,958
@738,879 (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
Government welfare exists because of human kindness you retard. People voted for people that wanted to implement welfare.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,966
That's true but why did they have to vote for such a thing? Because it didn't exist to begin with.
If I could vote for someone to force me to become more mature, I would and sure it's great if I could. The reason I would vote for it however is because I know I wouldn't become mature on my own, i would literally need a entire government devoted me becoming mature.
So yeah, they vote for such governments out of kindness. But there is a reason why such a government is needed and it's needed because people don't take care of the weak without a powerful thing such as a government ordering them to.
dw replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,968
@previous (assORted !jJEom8Ii3E)
No, it didn't exist on a national scale because individual people do not have the resources like a government does.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,970
A government only has as much wealth as their subjects do. Besides, even with a government providing wealthfare there are still lots of people with plenty more to spare for the weak but they don't spare those things do they?
dw replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,973
> A government only has as much wealth as their subjects do.
Yes, combined. Also an organizational system > Besides, even with a government providing wealthfare there are still lots of people with plenty more to spare for the weak but they don't spare those things do they?
Yes, they do. Charities exist.
assORted !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,975