Topic: will the new US gov allow states to outlaw witchcraft
Sheila LaBoof started this discussion 9 years ago#57,426
I am sure that rock and gem sellers who are Christians really hate seeing the stones they sell fall into the hands of these people who use them to heal diseases and ward off spirits and shit like that. For example, look at this shit:
Amethyst is a powerful and protective stone. It guards against psychic attack, transmuting the energy into love and protecting the wearer from all types of harm, including geopathic or electromagnetic stress and ill wishes from others. Amethyst is a natural tranquiliser, it relieves stress and strain, soothes irritability, balances mood swings, dispels anger, rage, fear and anxiety. Alleviates sadness and grief, and dissolves negativity. Amethyst activates spiritual awareness, opens intuition and enhances psychic abilities. It has strong healing and cleansing powers. Amethyst encourages sobriety, having a sobering effect on overindulgence of alcohol, drugs or other addictions. It calms and stimulates the mind, helping you become more focused, enhancing memory and improving motivation. Amethyst assists in remembering and understanding dreams. It relieves insomnia. Encourages selflessness and spiritual wisdom.
Amethyst boosts hormone production, tunes the endocrine system and metabolism. It strengthens the immune system, reduces pain and strengthens the body to fight against cancer. It destroys malignant tumours and aids in tissue regeneration. Cleanses the blood. Relieves physical, emotional and psychological pain or stress. Amethyst eases headaches and releases tension. It reduces bruising, swellings, injuries, and treats hearing disorders. Amethyst heals diseases of the lungs and respiratory tract, skin conditions, cellular disorders and diseases of the digestive tract.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later[^][v]#738,133
I read that as...
> will the new US gov allow states to outlaw minecraft
And then I freaked out.
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 23 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,134
Outlawing Witchcraft, even among individual states would be a violation of the First Admendent, which allows protections to freedom of religion.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,136
@previous (Wildchild !GjXpatdBd.)
ah, but it can be argued that witchcraft is not religion, but abomination in the eyes of the Lord
Metæ joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,138
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
This. It's not religion.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,140
@738,136 (Sheila LaBoof) > but abomination in the eyes of the Lord
This implies a law being made in accordance with a religion. > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It seems like an infringement of the very first part of the sentence.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 3 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,142
I have found a quote from a noted law maker:
“Witchcraft is not a religion.”
–President George W. Bush
Sheila LaBoof (OP) double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,143
@738,140 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
well by that reasoning, homosexuality is also a religion
bu joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,146
I read the first sentence and are there Christian gem merchants even?? they all seem like new agers to begin with
bu double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,147
also im not into the new age shit but I like gems
i keep some amethyst and calcite and various sedimentary rocks from my travels on my desk
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,149
Gems don't do any of that
Killer Lettuce? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^][v]#738,151
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. replied with this 9 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#738,208
I have a question about the first admendent for lawfags. Last night I had a dream about suicidal monks. Let's say there was a sect of monks who committed suicide as part of a asceticism practice? Would suicide be allowed as part of the first admendent if it was part of their religion?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#738,211
@previous (Wildchild !GjXpatdBd.)
Have you ever tried suing someone for committing suicide after they successfully did so?
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. replied with this 9 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#738,233
> Have you ever tried suing someone for committing suicide after they successfully did so?
But assuming it's a practice or a monestary of some sort, then couldn't you target the practice and make that practice or religion illegal in order to prevent people from committing suicide? Would that be a violation of the first admendent?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 9 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#738,254
@previous (Wildchild !GjXpatdBd.)
I mean...it's a problem that fixes itself.
bu replied with this 9 years ago, 41 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,294
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,298
@previous (bu)
Clear quartz. I collect crystals, will have to post my crystal collection sometime. A lot of citrines are just amethysts that have been exposed to a lot of heat. Do you have any agate or tiger's eye? I have blue tiger's eye it is so pretty.
bu replied with this 9 years ago, 30 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,321
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
i have some tigers eye but I don't like tigers eye. it's pretty but I like crystals more than polished stones. i have some clear quartz but no pretty ones. last year I found a bunch of volcanic glass last year at this camp site I used to go to and those r neat
bu double-posted this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,322
> > Have you ever tried suing someone for committing suicide after they successfully did so? > > But assuming it's a practice or a monestary of some sort, then couldn't you target the practice and make that practice or religion illegal in order to prevent people from committing suicide? Would that be a violation of the first admendent?
would be interesting to look into. can't think of any religious suicides in the US outside of cult suicide which probably isn't protected
would like to know if there are laws in like China in cases of political/religious self immolators
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,324
> > > Have you ever tried suing someone for committing suicide after they successfully did so? > > > > But assuming it's a practice or a monestary of some sort, then couldn't you target the practice and make that practice or religion illegal in order to prevent people from committing suicide? Would that be a violation of the first admendent? > > would be interesting to look into. can't think of any religious suicides in the US outside of cult suicide which probably isn't protected > would like to know if there are laws in like China in cases of political/religious self immolators
Self immolation still occurs among a few Bhuddist and Zen practices in Asia, even today, but it seems like that although illegal, it's not enforced.
I don't know how it would fare in the US.
bu replied with this 9 years ago, 53 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,329
@previous (Wildchild !GjXpatdBd.)
I don't know of any instances of Zen practitioners self immolating. maybe I'll be the first!! seems common for Tibetan Buddhists tho. sad
in the west it's usually protest suicides. not protected
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,331
> I don't know of any instances of Zen practitioners self immolating. maybe I'll be the first!! seems common for Tibetan Buddhists tho. sad > > in the west it's usually protest suicides. not protected
I don't know if it's Zen, but the Marathon Monks in Japan practice it. I think that may be an offshoot of Tibetan Buddhism though.
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bu replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,332
@previous (Wildchild !GjXpatdBd.)
Tibet is in its own lil plateau
the monks you're talking about I think are Tendai. there are very few fanatic ascetic monks like that in Japan. a bunch of lay people did self immolate a few years ago as political protest re: article 9
bu double-posted this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,336
@738,331 (Wildchild !GjXpatdBd.)
also can't find any references to kaihogyo monks self immolating
shrug
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,346
> also can't find any references to kaihogyo monks self immolating > shrug
In terms of the Marathon monks of Japan, then either in articles or a documentary I watched, then the monks are given a knife, and if for some reason they aren't able to finish due to injury, the monks are ordered to immolate.
At the end of the fifth year, then the monks are locked in a room and are made to go without food or water for nine consecutive days. Most of the monks don't survive this part of the trial.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,349
@738,146 (bu)
I don't know, I've only encountered gems and rocks sold in museum gift shops, science toy stores, and a watch/jewelery shop.
bu replied with this 9 years ago, 42 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,363
@738,346 (Wildchild !GjXpatdBd.)
that sounds like a very sensational documentary. none of that sounds true at all
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
i only ever see like booth gem merchants. and some gem shops in like national parks
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,365
> that sounds like a very sensational documentary. none of that sounds true at all > > > i only ever see like booth gem merchants. and some gem shops in like national parks
It was a while ago, but it was an interview with the monk who was able to complete the process multiple times. That being said, the risk of death for that type of practice at that particular monestary is extremely high.
They aren't exactly forced to immolate, but they're told to for the sake of honor if for some reason they can't finish and are given a knife to carry with them on the marathons for that purpose.
That being said, that particular monestary is definitely an exception in terms of how extreme it is.
"Practitioners traditionally carry a dagger and hemp rope with which to kill themselves if they are unable to finish their practice"
"During the fifth year of the challenge, the walking practice is punctuated by what many consider the most daunting phase of the process. The ascetic monk must go for seven and a half days [5] without food, water, or rest of any kind."
> 7+ days? sounds like a test of ability to cheat well
It used to be nine days in the past, but the monestary had to change the practice because nobody was able to survive.
While that monestary and that practice is kept quite secretive, due to the controversy and danger, I wonder if in modern days as opposed to 10 years ago they've changed the guidelines.
In the past if you weren't able to compete the 1,000 days then it was accepted that you immolate, but now they give people a year trial period with the ability for them to exit out after a year with no consequences.
But, although the practices in that monestary have been around for generations, I've always wondered how they fare with the modern Japanese government.
I think due to the culture of Japan, then asceticism practices and even extreme ones are viewed as honorable, and practices such as that, even if they carry danger are given leeway.
Wildchild !GjXpatdBd. double-posted this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#738,384