Topic: How come some people end up like this?
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E started this discussion 10 years ago #56,620
You know that type who refuse to take sides but instead gets seen neutral, making all other sides bitch about the other side with him?
buto joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #729,741
it's a mystery
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,745
buto replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,747
@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
Have you ever thought about the difference between just being comfortable with someone, and being really comfortable with someone?
Now, I know there's strangers that you don't feel comfortable with, and then there's some people that you meet, and even if you don't know them that well, you mysteriously experience a sense of comfort.
And who knows what triggers it? I mean, you don't even know why you feel comfortable around them: it could be some quality about them, it could be their voice, it could be the rhythm - at which - they speak. It could be something else that you're not even sure of.
And when you experience that sense of well-being, (deep breath) then maybe - maybe - the more you feel at ease with a person, the more you can permit yourself to do things that you wouldn't do around strangers. Like, like, you might be able to say things that are on your mind, as you relax around the person you're with. (Deep breath)
But now, with me, I find, ah, that there's also a deeper level of comfort. It's the comfort you feel when you're with someone who you feel extremely secure around, as if you've known this person for a long time. Me, now, how I see it is it allows you to just let go completely and deeply relax when you're in this person's presence. Because some quality about them lets you get this sense of reassurance about them.
To me, now, one thing that I, that I find - and maybe you find this too, I dunno - it's, it's like when you listen to them, what they say becomes a lot more fascinating because you feel so calm around them that it allows your imagination to take off, and think of all the fun things you'd like to be doing with them, to the point that you can plan out the time in your future to do all these things with them, these fun things, that you just really would enjoy doing with them.
Now, with me, that's just how I see it.
Have you ever thought about the difference between just being comfortable with someone, and being really comfortable with someone?
Now, I know there's strangers that you don't feel comfortable with, and then there's some people that you meet, and even if you don't know them that well, you mysteriously experience a sense of comfort.
And who knows what triggers it? I mean, you don't even know why you feel comfortable around them: it could be some quality about them, it could be their voice, it could be the rhythm - at which - they speak. It could be something else that you're not even sure of.
And when you experience that sense of well-being, (deep breath) then maybe - maybe - the more you feel at ease with a person, the more you can permit yourself to do things that you wouldn't do around strangers. Like, like, you might be able to say things that are on your mind, as you relax around the person you're with. (Deep breath)
But now, with me, I find, ah, that there's also a deeper level of comfort. It's the comfort you feel when you're with someone who you feel extremely secure around, as if you've known this person for a long time. Me, now, how I see it is it allows you to just let go completely and deeply relax when you're in this person's presence. Because some quality about them lets you get this sense of reassurance about them.
To me, now, one thing that I, that I find - and maybe you find this too, I dunno - it's, it's like when you listen to them, what they say becomes a lot more fascinating because you feel so calm around them that it allows your imagination to take off, and think of all the fun things you'd like to be doing with them, to the point that you can plan out the time in your future to do all these things with them, these fun things, that you just really would enjoy doing with them.
Now, with me, that's just how I see it.
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,748
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,750
@OP
I really wish you weren't influenced by my posts. I know you look up to me as a hero, but you shouldn't. I am a loser. When you turn 18, I don't want you to imitate me.
I really wish you weren't influenced by my posts. I know you look up to me as a hero, but you shouldn't. I am a loser. When you turn 18, I don't want you to imitate me.
buto replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,751
@729,748 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
Glug. No it's not. You've been reading too much output from the Robert Amsterdam propaganda mill. Robert Amsterdam is a paid political lobbyist who specializes in character assassination of politicians and movements opposed to his client. He likes to pitch himself as a "human rights activist" but he simply uses human rights as one tool in his portfolio for harassing his client's rivals. At the moment, Robert Amsterdam is being paid by Thaksin Shinawatra so everything he says and does is determined by the need to promote the interests of his client. Since both the client and the interests are very unsavory, this requires substantial prevarication and obfuscation.
Before going into what's been happening in Bangkok this year, some background is essential. Not just on Thaksin Shinawatra himself but also on Thai politics in general. Let's start with Thaksin. The man is a billionaire who made his pile getting sweetheart deal contracts from the Thai Government for work in modernizing Thai telecommunications infrastructure. He was also a Lieutenant Colonel in the Thai Police. When he first entered politics, his act was quite revolutionary. Normally a Thai political campaign consists of the candidate publishing lists of worthy people who support him. In effect, they provide lists of references that more or less state "I am a good person and can be trusted to work in your interests." People then voted for whoever paid them the most. In Thailand, it's quite possible to have a worthwhile debate on whether vote buying is wrong or not. Thaksin changed that. He conducted a western-style campaign that put a portfolio of promised policies out and invited people to judge his party on the basis of those policies. This was so different that it worked rather well. His Party became the largest in the Thai Parliament and he pushed through the items on his agenda (low cost medical care, low-interest loans for farmers and a few other things, all calculated to endear himself to the rural population - note still buying votes but wholesale rather than retail and using Government money to do it). When the next election came up, his party wasn't just the largest one, it actually had an overall majority.
This made Thaksin's real objectives critical. Thaksin is (or was) a great admirer of the Singaporean model of government and industry. He wanted to create a new Thai state in which there was a single party (controlled by him) and a single corporate entity (controlled by him). The fact that Singapore doesn't really work that way is neither here nor there. Thaksin wanted a state where there was no center of government or economic power that was outside his control. With a majority in Parliament, he set about achieving just that. Hold that thought.
Now, let's look at Thai politics. Thailand is an odd place; it's one of the few countries in the world where the political establishment openly says "we're politicians, don’t trust us." There is an ongoing presumption in the country that political shakeups should never be seen in terms of black and white. The message is to look with skepticism on political changes and to assume that all political movements are corrupt and tainted by greed and ambition. There is an assumption that all are backed by a hidden hand that is pushing a secret agenda. This is an intensely cynical view of course, and one that leaves no room to suppose that a protest is both genuine and sincere.
Glug. No it's not. You've been reading too much output from the Robert Amsterdam propaganda mill. Robert Amsterdam is a paid political lobbyist who specializes in character assassination of politicians and movements opposed to his client. He likes to pitch himself as a "human rights activist" but he simply uses human rights as one tool in his portfolio for harassing his client's rivals. At the moment, Robert Amsterdam is being paid by Thaksin Shinawatra so everything he says and does is determined by the need to promote the interests of his client. Since both the client and the interests are very unsavory, this requires substantial prevarication and obfuscation.
Before going into what's been happening in Bangkok this year, some background is essential. Not just on Thaksin Shinawatra himself but also on Thai politics in general. Let's start with Thaksin. The man is a billionaire who made his pile getting sweetheart deal contracts from the Thai Government for work in modernizing Thai telecommunications infrastructure. He was also a Lieutenant Colonel in the Thai Police. When he first entered politics, his act was quite revolutionary. Normally a Thai political campaign consists of the candidate publishing lists of worthy people who support him. In effect, they provide lists of references that more or less state "I am a good person and can be trusted to work in your interests." People then voted for whoever paid them the most. In Thailand, it's quite possible to have a worthwhile debate on whether vote buying is wrong or not. Thaksin changed that. He conducted a western-style campaign that put a portfolio of promised policies out and invited people to judge his party on the basis of those policies. This was so different that it worked rather well. His Party became the largest in the Thai Parliament and he pushed through the items on his agenda (low cost medical care, low-interest loans for farmers and a few other things, all calculated to endear himself to the rural population - note still buying votes but wholesale rather than retail and using Government money to do it). When the next election came up, his party wasn't just the largest one, it actually had an overall majority.
This made Thaksin's real objectives critical. Thaksin is (or was) a great admirer of the Singaporean model of government and industry. He wanted to create a new Thai state in which there was a single party (controlled by him) and a single corporate entity (controlled by him). The fact that Singapore doesn't really work that way is neither here nor there. Thaksin wanted a state where there was no center of government or economic power that was outside his control. With a majority in Parliament, he set about achieving just that. Hold that thought.
Now, let's look at Thai politics. Thailand is an odd place; it's one of the few countries in the world where the political establishment openly says "we're politicians, don’t trust us." There is an ongoing presumption in the country that political shakeups should never be seen in terms of black and white. The message is to look with skepticism on political changes and to assume that all political movements are corrupt and tainted by greed and ambition. There is an assumption that all are backed by a hidden hand that is pushing a secret agenda. This is an intensely cynical view of course, and one that leaves no room to suppose that a protest is both genuine and sincere.
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,758
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,765
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 18 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #729,771
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Tell me, not in the nicest way possible but instead actually nice, what are those themes you keep recognising me for sometimes?
Tell me, not in the nicest way possible but instead actually nice, what are those themes you keep recognising me for sometimes?
