Topic: Is it ever too late to learn how to draw?
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E started this discussion 10 years ago #56,090
Alba Gal Ssempa !MLHqI35Srs joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #724,407
For you? Yes. As it is the case for myself, too.
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Jubilee Starshine joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 23 seconds later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #724,419
no. it's all technique. if you don't know the techniques then it's very hard to progress and show improvement, but if you take a methodical approach and learn the tricks then anyone can draw. learn about underlying shape and structure, perspective drawing, and tools. different pens and pencils have different effects and using the wrong tool makes it harder, so google drawing basics and find some tutorials that have lots of practice excercises and focus on practicing techniques rather than making polished pieces. with practice anyone can grow and develop their artistic ability.
no one is just born with it, all the greats practiced perpetually and worked for years and years to develop great skill. they all started by drawing shit. except rembrant. that guy was a fucking genius at 6. but he still drew constantly. it's the only way to get better.
no one is just born with it, all the greats practiced perpetually and worked for years and years to develop great skill. they all started by drawing shit. except rembrant. that guy was a fucking genius at 6. but he still drew constantly. it's the only way to get better.
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,453
@previous (Jubilee Starshine)
Ah so I have to like, develope a manifesto of my own when it comes to drawing, a manifesto based on countless of trials and errors?
Ah so I have to like, develope a manifesto of my own when it comes to drawing, a manifesto based on countless of trials and errors?
buto replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,455
@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
> Ah so I have to like, develope a manifesto of my own when it comes to drawing, a manifesto based on countless of trials and errors?
wow what no. just practice. but you draw like a 4 year old and I don't mean that as an insult. autphag is probably right
> Ah so I have to like, develope a manifesto of my own when it comes to drawing, a manifesto based on countless of trials and errors?
wow what no. just practice. but you draw like a 4 year old and I don't mean that as an insult. autphag is probably right
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,456
@724,453 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
Step one: enjoy drawing
Step two: do it often
Step three: 10,000 hrs is considered the time it takes to become proficient at pretty much anything.
Step one: enjoy drawing
Step two: do it often
Step three: 10,000 hrs is considered the time it takes to become proficient at pretty much anything.
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No it isn't, stop mindlessly repeatedly gladwellian half truths you yuppie piece of shit.
No it isn't, stop mindlessly repeatedly gladwellian half truths you yuppie piece of shit.
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child fucking pederast
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@724,453 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)uh, yeeeah... sure, but artists call it "a portfolio" and it's something that kinda comes later after you've gotten very proficient with at least the basics. what you should focus on building right now is a sketch book.
i googled a couple of things you can start with to help
https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/i-want-to-draw-simple-exercises-for-complete-beginners--vector-20583
http://lundgrenart.weebly.com/drawing-simple-shapes.html
just google basic drawing tutorials and read about techniques. in the picture i posted you can see how the picture of the dog is broken down into very simple geometric shapes, circles, cylinders, squares, triangles, etc... that's to help you get the overall shape of the object correct.
oh yeah, also here's the best tip i can give you: don't draw from your mind. draw what you see. so draw actual things, like copying photographs is the best way to start. if you want to draw from real life then i do suggest you start by staging still lifes. bowl of fruit kinda thing. but, start simple. in art we started with still lifes of geometric shapes, cubes, cones, spheres, etc. without any detail. mostly to learn how to shade and do shadows and crisp lines. so, get like 4 or 5 cans and arrange them on a table and "draw what you see." but again, it's easiest to start with drawing photographs.
tracing is also a great way to build up technique. don't be afraid to "cheat." in fact get some onion paper from the art store and lay it over a photograph and dissect the image into it's constituent shapes by tracing the areas neatly. uncover the picture and work on sketching in the finer details. but definitely drawing from your mind comes much later, so don't fall down that trap - you'll just get frustrated and quit. draw what you see.
Jubilee Starshine double-posted this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,513
this would be the kind of thing that a first year art student would be making after learning a few basic shading techniquesJubilee Starshine triple-posted this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,515
here's a still life of geometric shapes you can drawJubilee Starshine quadruple-posted this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,517
this is what the setup in an art class would look like. cone made from rolled up paper, styrofoam cube and sphere from the craft store, and a cylinder made from paper.cheap and easy to do, but working from pics is fine. especially since they are photographed well with good lighting and contrast (the one above at least.)
Jubilee Starshine quintuple-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,518
shapes into forms video: deals with shading simple shapes to give them 3D geometry. a must know how for any aspiring doodler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExRRHY9wT6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExRRHY9wT6Q
Jubilee Starshine sextuple-posted this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,520
anyway, google around for tutorials, and watch videos to see demonstrations of technique. then - practice and fill up a sketch book with lots and lots and lots of drawings.
you will get better with practice. anyone can art. just ask bob ross.
you will get better with practice. anyone can art. just ask bob ross.
Jubilee Starshine septuple-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,522
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 23 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,523
And once you learn to draw, start tattooing your friends and family
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 15 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #724,603
Jubilee Starshine replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #724,827
@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)i'll give you another tip too using this still life. a big problem people have is with matching what they see with what they draw, and usually it's because they are too focused on the big picture and not enough on placement of the details and alignment of the overall image.
Jubilee Starshine double-posted this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #724,832
like in this image. yes, the artist hit enough details in the eyes and face to make this a fairly passable picture of the subject, but it is no where close to the reference image. nothing lines up at all, in the source image the eyes slope down to the left, but in the drawing they slope almost down to the right. the mouth is out of place, and in the drawing the eyes, nose and mouth all point in different directions. this is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know a good technique for nailing overall shape. they have an eye for detail, all his wrinkles are there, the bags under his eyes, scar on the eyebrow, but detail will only get you halfway there. the other half is nailing the overall shapes as well. to help with that, overlay a grid onto your picture.Jubilee Starshine triple-posted this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #724,834
taking the still life, i overlaid a simple grid. just get your pic, get a ruler, and draw a line every inch or so. then get a blank paper, and get your ruler, and pencil in those same lines every one inch. instead of trying to draw whole objects at a time, draw what is in each little box instead. by working your way from box to box, it's helping to keep everything where it's supposed to be. once you've sketched in the overall shape and placement of each line in each box, then you can erase the grid and start to work on shading, detail, and sharpening up your lines.this is a really great way to "blow a picture up" as well, so taking a small 6x9 pic and turning it into a 12 foot by 18 foot billboard is very easy using this method. but it works just as well if you're not scaling at all.
this technique is a beginner technique, and is something you can use to nail almost any figure without needing to know the finer points of figure drawing and anatomy. eventually you won't need the grid at all and you'll use other techniques, but this is a great way to help build skill.
Jubilee Starshine quadruple-posted this 10 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #724,846
let's talk supplies. for a beginner you won't need anything fancy, but there are a few things that will really make things way easier.
get some art pencils. probably a cheap set with a variety of lead hardness will be fine. you'll want both soft and hard, get 4B, 2B, B, HB, H, 2H pencils to start. that's rated soft to hard in order, and there are softer ones and harder ones than that too, but these will take you really far. use the soft pencils for shading, and your harder pencils for finer and lighter lines.
you'll want to get a blending stump. it's like a tightly rolled paper cylinder with a sharpened tip. you use that to smear and smudge the softer lines you've drawn to do shading. google a tutorial on blending stumps for a reference how to use it, or ask for a demo at the art store. but it'll be something you use as much as your pencils. you CAN use paper towels and other stuff to smudge and smear graphite around, but the blending stump is designed for it and works great.
you'll also need a couple of erasers. first of all a general purpose plastic eraser. i prefer MagicRub erasers, but any soft plastic eraser will work. you'll also need a kneaded eraser. a kneaded eraser is kind of like clay, or playdoh, and it's useful for shading as well. you can get by without it, but it's awesome for removing shadow to add back in white to create a glimmer or reflection. like the reflections on the apples, you'd shade in the whole apple, then use the kneaded eraser to bring back the white reflection. yes the general purpose eraser can do this too, but the kneaded eraser works better and gives you a lot of control over the shape of the eraser.
i wouldn't worry too much about other stuff, you can get into charcoal pretty early too, it's a beautiful way to give a graphite drawing a lot of contrast with a lot less scribbling, but it's very messy. fun though. so get a few sticks of charcoal to give your blacks and shadows high contrast. but pencils, a blending stump, a couple of erasers, and a sketchbook is enough to get well into beginner drawing.
get some art pencils. probably a cheap set with a variety of lead hardness will be fine. you'll want both soft and hard, get 4B, 2B, B, HB, H, 2H pencils to start. that's rated soft to hard in order, and there are softer ones and harder ones than that too, but these will take you really far. use the soft pencils for shading, and your harder pencils for finer and lighter lines.
you'll want to get a blending stump. it's like a tightly rolled paper cylinder with a sharpened tip. you use that to smear and smudge the softer lines you've drawn to do shading. google a tutorial on blending stumps for a reference how to use it, or ask for a demo at the art store. but it'll be something you use as much as your pencils. you CAN use paper towels and other stuff to smudge and smear graphite around, but the blending stump is designed for it and works great.
you'll also need a couple of erasers. first of all a general purpose plastic eraser. i prefer MagicRub erasers, but any soft plastic eraser will work. you'll also need a kneaded eraser. a kneaded eraser is kind of like clay, or playdoh, and it's useful for shading as well. you can get by without it, but it's awesome for removing shadow to add back in white to create a glimmer or reflection. like the reflections on the apples, you'd shade in the whole apple, then use the kneaded eraser to bring back the white reflection. yes the general purpose eraser can do this too, but the kneaded eraser works better and gives you a lot of control over the shape of the eraser.
i wouldn't worry too much about other stuff, you can get into charcoal pretty early too, it's a beautiful way to give a graphite drawing a lot of contrast with a lot less scribbling, but it's very messy. fun though. so get a few sticks of charcoal to give your blacks and shadows high contrast. but pencils, a blending stump, a couple of erasers, and a sketchbook is enough to get well into beginner drawing.