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Topic: Drop everything you are doing and pirate this film

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E started this discussion 10 years ago #55,961

The name of the film is "a childhood of a leader" and the less you know about it, the more authentic it will be.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #723,205

What if I don't believe in piracy, and want to legally purchase this film instead? What then?

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,206

@previous (B)

Well then pirate, watch it, and then buy it.

Honestly though, making the film business less profitable is a good thing.

Metæ joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,207

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
But you do know that if the film business wasn't profitable that this film you like never would have been made in the first place, right?

Do you really want the movie business to just be shitty YouTubes done by people holding the camera in portrait mode? Because that's what's gonna happen if you keep this up.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,208

Alright, I'm downloading it now and know almost nothing of what it's even about. Will update my reaction.

Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 11 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,209

@723,206 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
Disagree. If the film industry profited less, they could not make as many great movies.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,211

@723,206 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)

> Honestly though, making the film business less profitable is a good thing.

The film you're recommending people pirate is an independent production. It's very likely the writer/director/producer (Corbet) lost a lot of his own money during the 10 years he's been trying to get it made. In short, this film has nothing to do with the 'film industry' you're talking about.

Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 17 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,213

@previous (E)
It's an independent film? Oh gosh! Then it's doubly important that people support it by purchasing it!

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,214

@previous (B)
Send them some money, quick!

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #723,215

@723,207 (Metæ)

Naw come on. Me, doing this resulting in that? No. What i do see happening if films are less profitable, is films being given less of a budget. This means more people can join in the business as they are more likely to be able to compete with less of a budget.


@723,211 (E)


So he loses money, who really cares. People lose money everyday and it would be completely absurd to suggest we should all manage capitalism against common sense so that everyone makes money.

He took a risk making this movie, he alone should be burdened by its profits, he alone will reap the rewards or punishments

Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #723,221

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
If everyone thought like that, then we wouldn't have great independent movies like this, would we?

I don't think the price of just one movie is too much. If you liked it so much, you should consider paying the creator as a thanks for his hard work. Unless you're poor, of course, then your piracy might be understandable.

@723,214 (F)
It's not my place, I did not watch the movie!

I have read about it, though. It sounds really interesting. Check out a summary of it, see if it piques your interest.

Barack Obama joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #723,226

It is illegal to watch this film. I hereby declare it law

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #723,229

@723,221 (B)

If everyone thought like what? Saving money? No that's how capitalism works, I save money and try to maximize profits no matter how terrible it might be for others as long as it works for me.


Besides, the whole question of "what if everyone did or thought that" is a silly one because no matter what you think or do, if everyone did the same it would always result in chaos.

Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #723,230

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
I promise you, this isn't a trick or a philosophical riddle! I just think it's good to pay for things that you enjoy.


You thought this movie was so good that we should drop everything we're doing to watch it. If that's not worth paying for, what is?

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #723,232

@previous (B)

I'm sorry then. It's a very good question, I enjoyed it much so why not support them?

Well, the idea feels righteous at first but then it looks so silly. Why not give the money to needy hungry people instead and would my small sum of money really make a difference?

If i thought like that, I would quickly turn bitter because nobody would do the same for me.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,255

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
You haven't made or done anything worth rewarding Denmark guy, you're a loser.

But you do realize all of the welfare you recieve doesn't come from the ether, right? People do provide for you.

Jubilee Starshine joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,257

@723,232 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
> would my small sum of money really make a difference?
if everyone said that then no one would earn anything. see, when they make a movie or music or a TV show they count on lots and lots of little sums of money all adding up to equal a profit, so yes, it makes a difference. if you want to steal movies, music and TV - cool, go for it - but you're thieving and that makes you a thief. making excuses up to personally except yourself doesn't change what you're doing or what you are. if you're going to pirate then you should accept what you're doing is ethically wrong and that you choose to steal instead of pay. by all means, keep it up, but stop trying to be self righteous.

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 26 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,258

@723,255 (H)

People do provide for me yes, I have a family that loves me and in times I've provided for them. Maybe I'm a loser, I'm fine with that, but can't you really see how i might consider myself superior to you?

Jubilee Starshine replied with this 10 years ago, 56 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,259

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
> but can't you really see how i might consider myself superior to you?
yes, yes, at minichan we're all intimately familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,260

@723,257 (Jubilee Starshine)

When you buy things made from China, when you buy things like the technology you use right now to have a conversation with me...... Do you realize that you are paying people who treat their workers like slaves? Do you realize the situation in congo where warlords are paid money for the minerals used in computers even though those warlords use the money to fight each other, resulting in a hellish existence for everyone living in congo?

You are right, maybe i have no excuse for my actions. However, you far from being in a position to criticize.

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,263

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
You're a fucking moron. You're effectively saying "This person made a superb work of art which is worth everyone's attention. Put him out of business!"

FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 24 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,265

What's it cost, $12 to see a movie? And CDs average about the same. Now, which one cost more to create? Which one takes longer to consume? For $12, a movie is a pretty good deal.

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,266

@723,263 (E)

Me pirating his movie won't put him out of business, 100 people pirating his movie won't put him out of business. How are you so dumb you can't see this?

@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)


Yeah but seeing it for free is a better deal

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,268

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)

> Me pirating his movie won't put him out of business, 100 people pirating his movie won't put him out of business. How are you so dumb you can't see this?

And what about everyone pirating it, which is what you're suggesting should happen because of, er, some vague conception of 'capitalism'.

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,270

@previous (E)

As I've said, everyone doing it and the results of everyone doing it is a stupid question to consider because everyone doing anything results in chaos.

What if everyone had the name James? well it would be crazy. Doesn't mean it's wrong to have the name "james"

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,271

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
If 1000 people pirate a movie that costs $10 in the theaters then that's $10000 the producer has lost.

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,275

@previous (K)

Except maybe the theaters pay themselves more than you think? Anyway, sure i might be guilty of being oblivious to the tragic situation of movie makers, however in our society, like I have mentioned, we are guilty of being oblivious to far worse things. So your morality play is clownish.

Jubilee Starshine replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,282

@723,260 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)

> When you buy things made from China, when you buy things like the technology you use right now to have a conversation with me...... Do you realize that you are paying people who treat their workers like slaves?

oh yeah. that's called free market capitalism and globalization, neither of which are in my direct control. see, countries are sovereign which means that laws can be very different. what we'd term "wage-slavery" in america is called something very different in, say, a country like china. now, even if i had a problem with how the chinese treat their workers, as a sovereign nation it's up to them to guarantee the rights of their citizens. we can scream about their use of labor all we want, all they'll do is say, "don't worry about it," and keep doing what they do. now, i'm not one to go around telling everyone in the world how to live, if people in china are cool with the status quo then who am i to say their entire country, culture and way of life are wrong? it's kinda their own responsibility to make those kind of decisions for themselves. i guess China could apply to become a US state, and then once it's ratified they'll be subject to laws we can actually enforce! then we can go around and tell them to pay their workers more. otherwise my feelings on the matter are rather moot. should they treat their workers better? yeah, i think so, but the chinese obviously don't and it's their country, so...

> Do you realize the situation in congo where warlords are paid money for the minerals used in computers even though those warlords use the money to fight each other, resulting in a hellish existence for everyone living in congo?

uh, well, not exactly, because in 2010 the US passed a law that requires companies to determine the origin of minerals used in their products. the biggest offenders were tin, tantalum and tungsten were covered under the Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Act which has resulted in the non use of "conflict mines." that and more than 2/3rds of conflict mines in the congo are no longer under the control of any warlord since UN troops trounced 2 rebel factions in 2014. yes, warlords were making money off of minerals used in computers, but they haven't been in several years now.

> You are right, maybe i have no excuse for my actions. However, you far from being in a position to criticize.

you're stealing services and trying to make excuses by talking about problems with international trade and globalization? lol. and i'll have you know i pirate plenty of stuff, i just don't go around acting like i'm not stealing when i do it. so yeah, i am in a position to criticize. stop with the mental special olympics and just admit that you're no better than a common thief.

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,286

@previous (Jubilee Starshine)

Mhm... Okay I'm stealing a thing which there is a infinite supply of and I'm very sorry.

Who are you to say anything though? For example our computers or phones, they require materials and a lot of them come from congo, congo is a war torn country. You know why? Because war Lords fight over the materials which they then sell to us.

So really, you aren't in a position to object piracy.

Jubilee Starshine replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,291

@previous (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
i just explained to you how that's wrong though. repeating it isn't going to make it true... and stop with your idiotic false equivalencies, the two have nothing to do with each other even if it was true, which it's not! jesus fucking.... christ, talking to you is like talking to a you tube video on repeat.

FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 10 years ago, 49 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,292

@723,286 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
I object to piracy on the grounds that swords are no longer involved. It's a crying shame!

(Edited 38 seconds later.)

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,293

@723,291 (Jubilee Starshine)

Okay but I disagree and having you disagree with me is encouraging. You say I'm wrong, but that's all you say, you lack the ability to tell why.

@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)

Whaaa? Honestly though I really think you guys are trolling. All this time, i was talking to people who never even pirated because they felt so sorry for whoever made what they could pirate?

It's so lame i can't even believe it.

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,295

@723,292 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)

.....just g your joke lol

Jubilee Starshine replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,298

@723,293 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
alright, since me naming the Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Act which dealt with conflict mines isn't enough here's a whole BBC article about conflict mines and how the Dodd-Frank act and the UN has stopped a majority of this activity.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27782829

here's another one:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/congo-mines-no-longer-grip-warlords-militias-report-enough-project

so as you can see conflict mines in the congo are being addressed. the "warlords" no longer control them, as you suggest. so, my ability to tell you why you are wrong has yet to falter. do you have evidence that shows you to be correct? i'm more than willing to alter my stance on conflict minerals in the congo if i am wrong, but your word isn't enough.

god damnit... all of this is fucking beside the point anyway. there is no equivalency between you pirating movies and me buying computer parts that may or may not contain minerals sourced from the congo. you might as well be suggesting that it's okay for you to murder someone because another person speeds in their car.

and here is a wikipedia entry on false equivalence for you so you can read and understand what it means before you come back and say i have no proof that 2 things can't be equivalent when there is absolutely no relationship between the two things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,299

@previous (Jubilee Starshine)
Do you like the BBC, squeegee?

Jubilee Starshine replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,300

@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
yes, of course, the bigger and blacker the better let me tell you.

squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 4 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,301

@723,299 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)

> Do you like the BBC, squeegee?

Not really. What I do like is threads that succeed in their aim. To that end, why are you continuing to bump that 'bump every day for a year' thread that failed many months ago?

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,302

@723,300 (Jubilee Starshine)
When I made that post, I thought about clarifying "and no, I don't mean large phalluses belonging to black men". But then I thought, no, squeegee is a mature, thoughtful bloke. He would never be so crass.

How wrong I was.

(Edited 18 seconds later.)

FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,303

@723,301 (squeegee)
> faking squeegee this badly

Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,304

@723,298 (Jubilee Starshine)

I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying you are in no position to judge. Stop being on the Internet, you using computer parts with blood on them.

(see how hypocritical that is, that's you)

Now must sleep, and without remorse of all the things I've pirated, because I'm not lame in that way, sure I'm lame but not in that way.

Took my time to answer this out of precious sleep but I must admit I did only glance over your post. Gn dude.

squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,306

@723,303 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)

> >faking squeegee this badly

obsessing over stupid shit so regularly

Jubilee Starshine replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,307

@723,304 (Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E)
> computer parts with blood on them.

again. retard. citation?

kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,308

Tell me more about the movie. Please

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,309

@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
You probably could have done this yourself with next to no effort, but anyway -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Childhood_of_a_Leader_(film)

Metæ replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,310

@723,282 (Jubilee Starshine)
It's important to note that the "slave labor" factory jobs are actually better than the jobs the Chinese people had before.

kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,312

@723,309 (E)
I don't want a Wikipedia page. I'd like to hear it from him. Thank you anyway

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,313

@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Then be more specific in your request, because all you asked for was more information on the film itself.

kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,314

@previous (E)
No thank you

FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,332

@723,306 (squeegee)
> implying so hard it hurts

Anonymous F replied with this 10 years ago, 52 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,351

I pirate movies and then don't even watch them, like this one

Falco !a7Q.SWNEJw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 20 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,353

The Childhood of a Leader is a 2015 historical mystery drama film, written, produced and directed by Brady Corbet, and is Corbet's feature film directorial debut. Wikipedia
Release date: 2015 (USA)
Director: Brady Corbet
Budget: 5 million USD
Languages: English, French
Awards: Lion of the Future – “Luigi De Laurentiis” Venice Award for a Debut Film, Orizzonti Award for Best Director

Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,354

Are all people in Denmark such unemployed criminals?

Anonymous F replied with this 10 years ago, 35 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,365

@previous (N)
Yes. They are not guilty of breaking USAmerican copyright laws though.

Anonymous N replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,367

@previous (F)
Nobody cares, Matt.

Anonymous F replied with this 10 years ago, 45 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,371

@previous (N)
> everyone is Matt

Anonymous D replied with this 10 years ago, 35 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,375

@723,271 (K)

You cannot lose what you don't already have.

buto joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #723,381

@723,291 (Jubilee Starshine)
but if everyone's name were james then... I shouldn't have to pay for movies?
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