Topic: Trump, Russia, and Crimea
Metæ started this discussion 10 years ago #54,280
Honestly who the hell cares? Crimea's been part of Russia longer than America's been a nation. The inhabitants of Crimea are overwhelingly Russian. Is it really worth risking a single American life over some shitty little peninsula smaller than the state of Massachusetts whose inhabitants overwhelingly want to be part of Russia?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #706,676
Ah, you're right. Russia can push other countries around just a little bit. It's not a big deal.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,677
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,678
Why are you trying so hard to defend the dumb shit trump says lol.
Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,679
@706,677 (C)
Oh well then, that must mean I'm okay with it now. I certainly won't say anything against America. Thanks for that.
Oh well then, that must mean I'm okay with it now. I certainly won't say anything against America. Thanks for that.
Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 45 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,680
That's a pretty strategic sea port too, one of the few USSRussian ones that doesn't ice up in the winter
Metæ (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 17 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,681
@706,678 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
This is Hillary's foreign policy expertise? "I will send your sons to die for Ukraine"
@706,676 (B)
Do the inhabitants of Crimea not have a choice in which country they'd like to belong to?
This is Hillary's foreign policy expertise? "I will send your sons to die for Ukraine"
@706,676 (B)
Do the inhabitants of Crimea not have a choice in which country they'd like to belong to?
Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 22 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,682
@706,678 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Meta likes isolationism and dislikes globalism. As does Trump. So there's an ideological overlap.
Meta likes isolationism and dislikes globalism. As does Trump. So there's an ideological overlap.
Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,683
Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 29 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,684
@706,681 (Metæ)
They do, but that does not really give Russia the automatic right to go in by force and seize land from another nation.
They do, but that does not really give Russia the automatic right to go in by force and seize land from another nation.
Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 43 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,685
Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 52 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,686
@previous (C)
That's true, it's quite thrilling to widen one's borders. Yet Russia still acted without honor.
That's true, it's quite thrilling to widen one's borders. Yet Russia still acted without honor.
Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,687
@previous (B)
Ukraine has always been the jewel of USSRussia, some of it's most fertile lands etc. Chernobyl was such a shame
Ukraine has always been the jewel of USSRussia, some of it's most fertile lands etc. Chernobyl was such a shame
Metæ (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #706,688
@706,678 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Why are you trying so hard to defend the dumb shit trump says lol.
You may recall that I felt this way about Crimea back in 2014 a whole year before Trump even began his campaign.
> Why are you trying so hard to defend the dumb shit trump says lol.
You may recall that I felt this way about Crimea back in 2014 a whole year before Trump even began his campaign.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #706,691
@706,681 (Metæ)
Please show me where she advocated sending American troops into Ukraine to fight Russian forces there.
@previous (Metæ)
Yes and it was just as dumb then. Here is what the genius himself had to say:
He's a blithering idiot.
Please show me where she advocated sending American troops into Ukraine to fight Russian forces there.
@previous (Metæ)
Yes and it was just as dumb then. Here is what the genius himself had to say:
TRUMP: Well, look, you know, I have my own ideas. He's not going into Ukraine, OK? Just so you understand. He's not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, he's already there, isn't he?
TRUMP: OK, well, he's there in a certain way, but I'm not there yet. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama, with all the strength that you're talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this, in the meantime, he's going where—he takes—takes Crimea, he's sort of—I mean …
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you said you might recognize that.
TRUMP: I'm going to take a look at it. But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under—just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. And as far as the Ukraine is concerned, it's a mess. And that's under the Obama's administration, with his strong ties to NATO. So with all of these strong ties to NATO, Ukraine is a mess. Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You said that …
TRUMP: And we'll do better and yet we'll have a better relationship with Russia. And having a good relationship—maybe. And having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, he's already there, isn't he?
TRUMP: OK, well, he's there in a certain way, but I'm not there yet. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama, with all the strength that you're talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this, in the meantime, he's going where—he takes—takes Crimea, he's sort of—I mean …
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you said you might recognize that.
TRUMP: I'm going to take a look at it. But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under—just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. And as far as the Ukraine is concerned, it's a mess. And that's under the Obama's administration, with his strong ties to NATO. So with all of these strong ties to NATO, Ukraine is a mess. Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You said that …
TRUMP: And we'll do better and yet we'll have a better relationship with Russia. And having a good relationship—maybe. And having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.
He's a blithering idiot.
Metæ (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 37 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,700
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also.
Boy, that sure is stupid. I mean, like don't they know they're in Ukraine? Never mind they're ethnic Russians and they speak Russian and they identify with Russia and their land has been part of Russia since Catherine the Great. It was transferred, without their consent, to Ukraine in the 1950s so fuck 'em they're Ukrainian now forevermore.
> But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also.
Boy, that sure is stupid. I mean, like don't they know they're in Ukraine? Never mind they're ethnic Russians and they speak Russian and they identify with Russia and their land has been part of Russia since Catherine the Great. It was transferred, without their consent, to Ukraine in the 1950s so fuck 'em they're Ukrainian now forevermore.
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Metæ (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,703
@706,691 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
But more to the point, do you think Crimea is worth risking a single American life?
But more to the point, do you think Crimea is worth risking a single American life?
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,705
thanks meta you've convinced me
Metæ (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 55 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,723
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 10 years ago, 6 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,777
@706,700 (Metæ)
I swear I thought you of all people would be against one state violating the sovereignty of another state for naked territorial gain, but for some reason when it's Putin doing it, it's ok. I don't get it.
I swear I thought you of all people would be against one state violating the sovereignty of another state for naked territorial gain, but for some reason when it's Putin doing it, it's ok. I don't get it.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,781
@706,703 (Metæ)
No, and Putin knows that we aren't willing to go to war over it, which is why he felt safe taking it.
No, and Putin knows that we aren't willing to go to war over it, which is why he felt safe taking it.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU triple-posted this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,782
@706,700 (Metæ)
You missed the part where he DIDN'T KNOW that Putin sent troops into Crimea, and when told that Putin did, he blamed Obama and NATO for being weak but Ukriane isn't part of NATO, and if it were, Putin would not have invaded and risked Article 5 being invoked. All this when his campaign is being run by Paul Manafort, who worked for the Russian-friendly Ukrainian President that was ousted from power in the coup that Russia used to annex Ukraine, and who fled to Russia for safety when Ukraine descended into civil war (with Russian soldiers on vacation taking part too of course) and this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
You missed the part where he DIDN'T KNOW that Putin sent troops into Crimea, and when told that Putin did, he blamed Obama and NATO for being weak but Ukriane isn't part of NATO, and if it were, Putin would not have invaded and risked Article 5 being invoked. All this when his campaign is being run by Paul Manafort, who worked for the Russian-friendly Ukrainian President that was ousted from power in the coup that Russia used to annex Ukraine, and who fled to Russia for safety when Ukraine descended into civil war (with Russian soldiers on vacation taking part too of course) and this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 31 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,783
Serbia has a greater claim to Kosovo than Ukraine has to Crimea.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,785
@706,782 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
But it's all ok because Trump has an (R) next to his name and that means he's more conservative and therefore less likely to take my guns and money so it's all good! I will NEVER understand why you hate both major political parties, claim they are both identical and then almost never say anything positive about Dems while bending over backwards so far you'd made a gymnast blush to defend the absolute dumbest things the Repubs do. Something just doesn't add up Meta.
But it's all ok because Trump has an (R) next to his name and that means he's more conservative and therefore less likely to take my guns and money so it's all good! I will NEVER understand why you hate both major political parties, claim they are both identical and then almost never say anything positive about Dems while bending over backwards so far you'd made a gymnast blush to defend the absolute dumbest things the Repubs do. Something just doesn't add up Meta.
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TTEH !FFSTTEHV7. joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 25 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,786
I agree to some extent, but the message has to be put across that it's not okay to invade a neighbouring country, hold a 'referendum' under military occupation, and then annex part of their territory. If the response wasn't a harsh one, you would probably end up reinforcing the behaviour of countries that already have a habit of wanting to "protect" their ethnic diaspora (like Turkey).
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,787
Syntax joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,813
MetæIts not really about the postage stamp area Crimea. Its more about expansion by force into Ukraine and other parts that used to be Soviet Union that are now free from tyranny of the Soviet Union.
In 2014 Russian Soldiers with uniform patches who were supposedly on vacation invaded Crimea. Its not like they needed to do that given how the people of the area had agreed they wanted out of Ukraine and back in2 what wood one day become the old Soviet Union (reborn)
So in 2014 7,000 Russian troops cross the Russian-Ukrainian border under the guise of humanitarian aid convoys.
Hey this is Putin the former Head of KGB. Trumps hero. Just so odd how Trumps campaign manager has Putin's hand so far up his asshole controlling him like the Kremlin Puppet he is. But hey stay tuned as FBI starts to connect the dots for a revisit of Watergate break in to DNC.
Nixon must be laffing as he burns in metaphorical Hell.
Photo is a well known Soviet Agent (Will become very well known sooner than later)
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WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,815
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,900
@706,785 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
There is nothing really positive to say about Democrats though. Say one thing that isn't a lie you've been told by Hillary
There is nothing really positive to say about Democrats though. Say one thing that isn't a lie you've been told by Hillary
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,908
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,918
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I wouldn't say that's a positive thing, because I don't think loose women should be able to murder their babies because they are inconvenient.
I wouldn't say that's a positive thing, because I don't think loose women should be able to murder their babies because they are inconvenient.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,919
@previous (J)
Well it wouldn't make sense to let them murder babies that were convenient. Also kids are horrible needy brats. More sex and fewer kids. What's not to like?
Well it wouldn't make sense to let them murder babies that were convenient. Also kids are horrible needy brats. More sex and fewer kids. What's not to like?
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,921
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
More sex and fewer kids is the gay agenda. What is the Democrats and Hillarys changed by opinion poll recently pandering stance on gay marriage?
More sex and fewer kids is the gay agenda. What is the Democrats and Hillarys changed by opinion poll recently pandering stance on gay marriage?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,922
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,928
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,935
@previous (J)
The best case scenario would be mandatory both control, but bleeding heart cunts won't allow it. So in the meantime we need abortion. Letting the scum of the earth shit out kids like a slot machine pays out coinage is not the answer!
The best case scenario would be mandatory both control, but bleeding heart cunts won't allow it. So in the meantime we need abortion. Letting the scum of the earth shit out kids like a slot machine pays out coinage is not the answer!
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,937
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Mandatory sterilization after 3 abortions. If you have to kill 3 of your children because you can't figure out condoms and the pill, that's quite enough.
Mandatory sterilization after 3 abortions. If you have to kill 3 of your children because you can't figure out condoms and the pill, that's quite enough.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 50 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,939
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,944
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Everyone has the right to ruin the lives of their children as they see fit.
Everyone has the right to ruin the lives of their children as they see fit.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,945
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,948
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 51 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,949
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 10 years ago, 46 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,950
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,953
@706,949 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Being born poor is not anyones fault. Dying poor is your fault though. I think welfare for children is a good thing when implemented well.
Being born poor is not anyones fault. Dying poor is your fault though. I think welfare for children is a good thing when implemented well.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,954
@previous (J)
But being poor ends up being everyone's fault. Also poorly raised people end up hurting society.
But being poor ends up being everyone's fault. Also poorly raised people end up hurting society.
Anonymous L replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #706,970
@706,948 (J)
So what you're saying is that you prefer children to be raised delinquent and commit crimes than prevent their birth
So what you're saying is that you prefer children to be raised delinquent and commit crimes than prevent their birth
Metæ (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #707,096
@706,782 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Didn't Russia already have a military base on Crimea?
> But it's all ok because Trump has an (R) next to his name and that means he's more conservative and therefore less likely to take my guns and money so it's all good! I will NEVER understand why you hate both major political parties, claim they are both identical and then almost never say anything positive about Dems while bending over backwards so far you'd made a gymnast blush to defend the absolute dumbest things the Repubs do. Something just doesn't add up Meta.
Once again this has been my position on Crimea since 2014, a year and a half before Trump even thought of running. I have not, in any way, changed my views on foreign interventionism since Trump began running. I was against foreign wars in 2014 and I am against foreign wars in 2016.
I am against foreign wars whatever letter the person has next to their name.
Didn't Russia already have a military base on Crimea?
> But it's all ok because Trump has an (R) next to his name and that means he's more conservative and therefore less likely to take my guns and money so it's all good! I will NEVER understand why you hate both major political parties, claim they are both identical and then almost never say anything positive about Dems while bending over backwards so far you'd made a gymnast blush to defend the absolute dumbest things the Repubs do. Something just doesn't add up Meta.
Once again this has been my position on Crimea since 2014, a year and a half before Trump even thought of running. I have not, in any way, changed my views on foreign interventionism since Trump began running. I was against foreign wars in 2014 and I am against foreign wars in 2016.
I am against foreign wars whatever letter the person has next to their name.
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #707,107
@706,918 (J)
> I wouldn't say that's a positive thing, because I don't think loose women should be able to murder their babies because they are inconvenient.
Betting that you have sent Jizz all over the place like your hands and toilet. Jizz that according to the bible YOU should not have wasted.
God on The Bible – Genesis 38:6-10 (Wasted Sperm) Prepare thyself, he who reads this, to tremble and quake before the Incredible Word of God, as written by THE LORD HIMSELF!
6 For his first son Er, Judah got a wife whose name was Tamar.
7 Er’s conduct was evil, and it displeased the LORD, so the LORD killed him.
8 Then Judah said to Er’s brother Onan, “Go and sleep with your brother’s widow. Fulfill your obligation to her as her husband’s brother, so that your brother may have descendants.”
9 But Onan knew that the children would not belong to him, so when he had intercourse with his brother’s widow, he let the semen spill on the ground, so that there would be no children for his brother.
10 What he did displeased the LORD, and the LORD killed him also.*
This passage makes very clear My passionate feelings on the subject of spilling sperm. I’ve said it many times before, and I’ll say it again; EVERY SPERM IS SACRED! If a man wastes his precious semen by spilling it just anywhere, I will certainly punish him.
Now there are varying degrees of punishment for this sin. For example, as this verse demonstrates, if you disgrace your dead brother by refusing to ejaculate inside his recently widowed wife, and you instead selfishly spill your seed on the ground, I will be very angry and smite you with a painful death.
Or let’s say you do something truly satanic and spill your seed into a disgusting dirty public toilet, I will be furious and smite you with a slow and extremely painful death.
But the punishment is not always this severe. If, on the other hand, you just spill your seed into a bunch of wadded up tissues because you were bored, then the punishment is only a swift and mildly painful death. Like a sudden heart attack while you’re jerking it.
However, it is acceptable to pull out at the last second and spill your seed onto a woman, as long as you make sure to do it on her chest or face in a way that totally degrades her.
I WARN YOU MORTALS! OBEY MY SEMEN LAWS OR I WILL KILL YOU!
> I wouldn't say that's a positive thing, because I don't think loose women should be able to murder their babies because they are inconvenient.
Betting that you have sent Jizz all over the place like your hands and toilet. Jizz that according to the bible YOU should not have wasted.
God on The Bible – Genesis 38:6-10 (Wasted Sperm) Prepare thyself, he who reads this, to tremble and quake before the Incredible Word of God, as written by THE LORD HIMSELF!
6 For his first son Er, Judah got a wife whose name was Tamar.
7 Er’s conduct was evil, and it displeased the LORD, so the LORD killed him.
8 Then Judah said to Er’s brother Onan, “Go and sleep with your brother’s widow. Fulfill your obligation to her as her husband’s brother, so that your brother may have descendants.”
9 But Onan knew that the children would not belong to him, so when he had intercourse with his brother’s widow, he let the semen spill on the ground, so that there would be no children for his brother.
10 What he did displeased the LORD, and the LORD killed him also.*
This passage makes very clear My passionate feelings on the subject of spilling sperm. I’ve said it many times before, and I’ll say it again; EVERY SPERM IS SACRED! If a man wastes his precious semen by spilling it just anywhere, I will certainly punish him.
Now there are varying degrees of punishment for this sin. For example, as this verse demonstrates, if you disgrace your dead brother by refusing to ejaculate inside his recently widowed wife, and you instead selfishly spill your seed on the ground, I will be very angry and smite you with a painful death.
Or let’s say you do something truly satanic and spill your seed into a disgusting dirty public toilet, I will be furious and smite you with a slow and extremely painful death.
But the punishment is not always this severe. If, on the other hand, you just spill your seed into a bunch of wadded up tissues because you were bored, then the punishment is only a swift and mildly painful death. Like a sudden heart attack while you’re jerking it.
However, it is acceptable to pull out at the last second and spill your seed onto a woman, as long as you make sure to do it on her chest or face in a way that totally degrades her.
I WARN YOU MORTALS! OBEY MY SEMEN LAWS OR I WILL KILL YOU!
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #707,109
i do not obey