Topic: The true spirit of communism
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E started this discussion 10 years ago #53,940
The human race seeks to dominate and be on the top. Communism was the attempt of just that but against what? Poverty comes to mind but that's not the right word, more like economy. Communism was the attempt to defeat the economy and domesticate it so that no longer would humanity be under its mercy.
It's like nazism except everyone is the master race and the Jews are the economy. Shitty comparison and not entirely accurate but it's a interesting shift in perspective. It wasn't about equality, justice and all that crap- it was an attempt to destroy a enemy.
It's like nazism except everyone is the master race and the Jews are the economy. Shitty comparison and not entirely accurate but it's a interesting shift in perspective. It wasn't about equality, justice and all that crap- it was an attempt to destroy a enemy.
Reid joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 33 minutes later[^] [v] #702,207
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D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #702,210
@previous (Reid)
It's like, all the predators in the jungle are taken care of, but there is a lion left in the concrete jungle who eats kids.
It's like, all the predators in the jungle are taken care of, but there is a lion left in the concrete jungle who eats kids.
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Fake anon✡ !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #702,211
Really insightful post thanks.
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 59 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,217
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,218
Blame the hillbillies.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,234
Your political knowledge is bad, and you should feel bad.
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 25 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,238
Isnt communism basically socialism with the state owning everything but everyone is the state? Ideally I mean. Not how its been practised
Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,245
@previous ([^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk)
No. Communism is the seizing of the means of production by the working class. Or, to put it another way, it is the redistribution of the means of production (rather than the wealth) so that the proletariat can create wealth for themselves, ideally.
No. Communism is the seizing of the means of production by the working class. Or, to put it another way, it is the redistribution of the means of production (rather than the wealth) so that the proletariat can create wealth for themselves, ideally.
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,246
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,248
@702,245 (E)
And isnt the proletariat supposed to be the state basically? Because everyone would be the proles?
And isnt the proletariat supposed to be the state basically? Because everyone would be the proles?
bhutto joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 34 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,260
wow bedt tgibg i read todat thabks
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 26 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,269
@previous (bhutto)
Wait..... Are you being sarcastic or cryptic? Was fake anon doing the same as well?
@702,211 (Fake anon✡ !ZkUt8arUCU)
Were you!?
Wait..... Are you being sarcastic or cryptic? Was fake anon doing the same as well?
@702,211 (Fake anon✡ !ZkUt8arUCU)
Were you!?
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,273
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,292
@702,248 ([^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk)
In a true communist society, there is no state. People go out and produce and the culture is such that people actually want to do that for the good of the people rather than to accrue personal wealth, and in return for doing so all your own requirements are taken care of and you can live a very comfortable life along with everyone else in the society who are doing the same thing.
Like think of a machine that makes things. The person who works it is paid $60 a day to produce, during which he creates $400 of saleable items. What happens to the remaining $340? Most of it goes into the hands of the Capitalist who owns the machine. But why does he deserve it? He didn't produce anything. It's an exploitation, and Communism believes that to be the ultimate evil in an industrialized society. If things were distributed fairly, everybody could live a comfortable life. The way it is now, 1% live in ridiculous opulence and the rest of the people have to scrape by with whatever's left as the landlord and taxman bleed him dry.
In a true communist society, there is no state. People go out and produce and the culture is such that people actually want to do that for the good of the people rather than to accrue personal wealth, and in return for doing so all your own requirements are taken care of and you can live a very comfortable life along with everyone else in the society who are doing the same thing.
Like think of a machine that makes things. The person who works it is paid $60 a day to produce, during which he creates $400 of saleable items. What happens to the remaining $340? Most of it goes into the hands of the Capitalist who owns the machine. But why does he deserve it? He didn't produce anything. It's an exploitation, and Communism believes that to be the ultimate evil in an industrialized society. If things were distributed fairly, everybody could live a comfortable life. The way it is now, 1% live in ridiculous opulence and the rest of the people have to scrape by with whatever's left as the landlord and taxman bleed him dry.
Reid replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,358
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 19 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,365
@702,292 (H)
It's a shame that every attempt to reach this true communist state hasn't worked out, then. As nice as that hypothetical society sounds, it doesn't seem to be happening.
But in the meantime, democracy seems pretty good. A nice correlation with liberty and prosperity, too.
It's a shame that every attempt to reach this true communist state hasn't worked out, then. As nice as that hypothetical society sounds, it doesn't seem to be happening.
But in the meantime, democracy seems pretty good. A nice correlation with liberty and prosperity, too.
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Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,370
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
It's easy for someone to manipulate and bastardize. Unless everyone is a communist, communism doesn't work. That's why you can't have a state (also why global revolution is necessity and an indicator of how early the Soviet Union began to diverge)
Neither democracy, liberty nor prosperity are incompatible with communism. Indeed, it's about the People rising up to claim what belongs to the people and create a bright future for everyone around them, however they see fit to do so.
It's easy for someone to manipulate and bastardize. Unless everyone is a communist, communism doesn't work. That's why you can't have a state (also why global revolution is necessity and an indicator of how early the Soviet Union began to diverge)
Neither democracy, liberty nor prosperity are incompatible with communism. Indeed, it's about the People rising up to claim what belongs to the people and create a bright future for everyone around them, however they see fit to do so.
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RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,377
@previous (H)
> Unless everyone is a communist, communism doesn't work.
Therein lies the problem, I think. They've never quite been able to get enough people onboard for true communism. I somehow doubt they ever shall, either.
> Unless everyone is a communist, communism doesn't work.
Therein lies the problem, I think. They've never quite been able to get enough people onboard for true communism. I somehow doubt they ever shall, either.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,393
@702,370 (H)
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Greed is part of human nature. Humans will always fuck it up.
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Greed is part of human nature. Humans will always fuck it up.
bhutan joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,408
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,447
@702,292 (H)
@702,377 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
@702,393 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
You guys are making my heart so happy.
Communism is the realization of a nirvana on earth, where everything is abundant because of industrialized labor, and everyone is free to pursue whatever they want because the resources are always there because everybody is down for everyone else and love reigns supreme!
Huzzah, soma and orgie porgie anyone?
@702,377 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
@702,393 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
You guys are making my heart so happy.
Communism is the realization of a nirvana on earth, where everything is abundant because of industrialized labor, and everyone is free to pursue whatever they want because the resources are always there because everybody is down for everyone else and love reigns supreme!
Huzzah, soma and orgie porgie anyone?
Sophie !MLHqI35Srs joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,535
Communism is incompatible with many things:
- Human ingenuity. Not only on the microcosmic level in that there are no longer pecuniary incentives for them to actually innovate machines, but in terms of the greater management heirarchy, for which communism creates an economic environment without, that, consequently, basically cripples human eugenics and creates intellectual mediocrity that no longer extends beyond labour-divided level functioning; fine for the negroid elite, inadequate for even high-average Whites.
- Efficiency. In the eradication of the heirarchical position and associated pecuniary incentive of management, the prole can go at his own pace, and this is usually abysmal without prodding. Like in the Soviet coalmines in the '80s, people go through the motions, fill the crosswords; don't start sperging about state interference as if that's an excusable allibi, this is just a natural shortfall of the retarded nature of the proletarinegroid.
- Communism is not the arbiter of human rights. It inherits no legal system or code of custom because it is philosophically and morally bankrupt and not rooted in anything other than historical thought's eradication for its own end (communism is more than just a political ideology with respect to ownership of the means of production in the economic, but this means-ownership extends to the intellect and presumably ethics; think of the ethical basis of an average-IQ white or an elite negroid, yeah, Minichan's a perfect demonstration of why you have none), intellect being correlated with empathy, and thus one's ability to rationally weigh ethical considerations.
- Worldwide revolution, being suicidal to the tribality of the nation-state, is a temporary solution to a permanent problem which persists quickly thereafter; macrocosmic military conflict was a downfall of the Soviet system which had crippled its economy because 78% of its GDP was being spent on some form of defense industrial purpose. Would a country need no military industry were it, and the entire world with it, were at peace? Would that necessarily correlated to an increased share of resources for innovation? Yes-ish, to a very limited and again, crippled point, the crippling being the point to which humanity can now motivate itself through struggle to improve. It'd quickly stagnate and degenerate. Military conflict is the primary causal factor of technological development on two prongs; one, civilian developments piggyback off defensive ones, and two, scarcity in wartime economies are, again, a eugenics-driving force. Humanity negroidizes, its progression falters.
- Human ingenuity. Not only on the microcosmic level in that there are no longer pecuniary incentives for them to actually innovate machines, but in terms of the greater management heirarchy, for which communism creates an economic environment without, that, consequently, basically cripples human eugenics and creates intellectual mediocrity that no longer extends beyond labour-divided level functioning; fine for the negroid elite, inadequate for even high-average Whites.
- Efficiency. In the eradication of the heirarchical position and associated pecuniary incentive of management, the prole can go at his own pace, and this is usually abysmal without prodding. Like in the Soviet coalmines in the '80s, people go through the motions, fill the crosswords; don't start sperging about state interference as if that's an excusable allibi, this is just a natural shortfall of the retarded nature of the proletarinegroid.
- Communism is not the arbiter of human rights. It inherits no legal system or code of custom because it is philosophically and morally bankrupt and not rooted in anything other than historical thought's eradication for its own end (communism is more than just a political ideology with respect to ownership of the means of production in the economic, but this means-ownership extends to the intellect and presumably ethics; think of the ethical basis of an average-IQ white or an elite negroid, yeah, Minichan's a perfect demonstration of why you have none), intellect being correlated with empathy, and thus one's ability to rationally weigh ethical considerations.
- Worldwide revolution, being suicidal to the tribality of the nation-state, is a temporary solution to a permanent problem which persists quickly thereafter; macrocosmic military conflict was a downfall of the Soviet system which had crippled its economy because 78% of its GDP was being spent on some form of defense industrial purpose. Would a country need no military industry were it, and the entire world with it, were at peace? Would that necessarily correlated to an increased share of resources for innovation? Yes-ish, to a very limited and again, crippled point, the crippling being the point to which humanity can now motivate itself through struggle to improve. It'd quickly stagnate and degenerate. Military conflict is the primary causal factor of technological development on two prongs; one, civilian developments piggyback off defensive ones, and two, scarcity in wartime economies are, again, a eugenics-driving force. Humanity negroidizes, its progression falters.
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