Topic: If black lives matter crash the Trump party
Anonymous A started this discussion 10 years ago #53,937
White racism will reign supreme, legislated, and justified for many more years.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later[^] [v] #702,198
Many black want racism to continue as it shines the light off black on black violence and underachievers
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@702,198 (B)
at work today one of our contractors (a black guy) was saying that 99% of black shootings are done by other blacks. he seemed to be aware that black-on-black violence was the worst of the violence, but he also suggested that cops should "shoot to disarm/disable rather than kill." i said, "that's what nonlethal weapons like tasers and batons are for, guns are called lethal force for a reason. you don't use lethal force to disarm or disable, if they're resorting to a gun then the officer has already made the determination that nothing short of lethal force (i.e. death) will work. they aren't trained to 'shoot to disable,' they are trained to 'shoot to kill.' if it's gotten that far then 'disarming/disabling' isn't what's happening anymore. they are killing, and all that matters is if they are justified, and more often than not they are." when they're not it's called murder and the cop goes to jail, when it IS it's called reasonable use of force.
idk, it just seemed a weird position that he had. he recognized that blacks are disproportionately violent towards even one another, but still thinks cops are the ones making the mistakes? it's just weird. it's like he can see it but refuses to acknowledge it, violence comes from within the community, but it's not a community problem? it's white people and cops?
at work today one of our contractors (a black guy) was saying that 99% of black shootings are done by other blacks. he seemed to be aware that black-on-black violence was the worst of the violence, but he also suggested that cops should "shoot to disarm/disable rather than kill." i said, "that's what nonlethal weapons like tasers and batons are for, guns are called lethal force for a reason. you don't use lethal force to disarm or disable, if they're resorting to a gun then the officer has already made the determination that nothing short of lethal force (i.e. death) will work. they aren't trained to 'shoot to disable,' they are trained to 'shoot to kill.' if it's gotten that far then 'disarming/disabling' isn't what's happening anymore. they are killing, and all that matters is if they are justified, and more often than not they are." when they're not it's called murder and the cop goes to jail, when it IS it's called reasonable use of force.
idk, it just seemed a weird position that he had. he recognized that blacks are disproportionately violent towards even one another, but still thinks cops are the ones making the mistakes? it's just weird. it's like he can see it but refuses to acknowledge it, violence comes from within the community, but it's not a community problem? it's white people and cops?
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adam djensen joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 11 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #702,466
@previous (squeegee)
What's the problem with shooting to disable though? Shooting in the knee seems to solve most problems about unneccessary violence.
What's the problem with shooting to disable though? Shooting in the knee seems to solve most problems about unneccessary violence.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,471
@previous (adam djensen)
It's not the American way. American police are not very well trained, and most have too fat fingers to properly handle a firearm. They are thus trained to aim for center mass and to murder the people they point their firearm at. The idea is that this reduces the potential harm of the police officer, since a dead man can do no harm. But someone with a shot to hell leg might still manage to aim a firearm at the officer.
Also, shots to practically anywhere can be pretty fatal I think, it just takes a bit longer.
It's not the American way. American police are not very well trained, and most have too fat fingers to properly handle a firearm. They are thus trained to aim for center mass and to murder the people they point their firearm at. The idea is that this reduces the potential harm of the police officer, since a dead man can do no harm. But someone with a shot to hell leg might still manage to aim a firearm at the officer.
Also, shots to practically anywhere can be pretty fatal I think, it just takes a bit longer.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,506
@702,466 (adam djensen)
Because then they can sue you. Also if you're not shooting to its harder to claim that your life was in danger.
Because then they can sue you. Also if you're not shooting to its harder to claim that your life was in danger.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,516
@702,466 (adam djensen)
becuase guns are lethal? you should only use them for that purpose. also, have you ever fired a pistol? any idea how hard it is to hit a very small target in an extreme situation? it's hard enough hitting paper targets, tbh.
the world isn't a movie and no one is sniping knee caps. this is real life, and lethal force shouldn't be used like a trick-shot. "ima shoot the gun outta his hand."
no you're not. you're going to miss your shot and get killed being stupid. guns are for killing. period.
becuase guns are lethal? you should only use them for that purpose. also, have you ever fired a pistol? any idea how hard it is to hit a very small target in an extreme situation? it's hard enough hitting paper targets, tbh.
the world isn't a movie and no one is sniping knee caps. this is real life, and lethal force shouldn't be used like a trick-shot. "ima shoot the gun outta his hand."
no you're not. you're going to miss your shot and get killed being stupid. guns are for killing. period.
adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,595
@previous (squeegee)
So don't have guns then. If they only exist to kill people they should only be used in situations with armed suspects.
There is a difference between aiming for the torso or knee and missing and just going for a kill.
So don't have guns then. If they only exist to kill people they should only be used in situations with armed suspects.
There is a difference between aiming for the torso or knee and missing and just going for a kill.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,601
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,608
@702,595 (adam djensen)
> So don't have guns then. If they only exist to kill people they should only be used in situations with armed suspects.
yeah. that's pretty much how they do it, dude. they use lethal force when their lives are in immediate danger. that's what i mean what i say legal use of lethal force. do you think american cops are just going around braining people instead of subduing them? lethal force is a last resort option, and that's how it's used. otherwise it's called murder, and police are tried for murder when they murder people. basically they've already tried everything else they can try (think nonlethal methods of subduing someone) and they are left with no other option because their lives are in danger.
http://listverse.com/2015/04/04/10-cops-who-were-convicted-for-killing-in-the-line-of-duty/
> There is a difference between aiming for the torso or knee and missing and just going for a kill.
that's exactly correct, aiming for the knee is fucking stupid. if your life is in danger don't fuck around, you kill them first. police are allowed to defend their lives in self defense, and that's what we're talking about in 99% of these cases. if a dude is lumbering at you with a knife in hand, you're not going to pull out a knife and say, "fair and square, let's do this." you're going to pull out your gun and shoot them in the chest.
guns aren't toys. guns aren't to be used as intimidation, as warnings, or as as anything other than lethal force. if a cop pulls his gun it IS so they can use it to kill. anything else is an improper use of that weapon. there are tons of other non-lethal weapons that cops already carry, batons, pepper spray, tazers, so it's not like GUN is their only choice. it's only one tool they carry and it has a very specific use, to protect the officers life in a life threatening situation.
otherwise, dude, it's a crime. and we do prosecute those crimes. stop acting like guns are anything other than a lethal tool used to administer death. cops have plenty of other options (hell, just kick their ass, happens a lot tbh) for non-lethal force with the situation doesn't call for more than that.
> So don't have guns then. If they only exist to kill people they should only be used in situations with armed suspects.
yeah. that's pretty much how they do it, dude. they use lethal force when their lives are in immediate danger. that's what i mean what i say legal use of lethal force. do you think american cops are just going around braining people instead of subduing them? lethal force is a last resort option, and that's how it's used. otherwise it's called murder, and police are tried for murder when they murder people. basically they've already tried everything else they can try (think nonlethal methods of subduing someone) and they are left with no other option because their lives are in danger.
http://listverse.com/2015/04/04/10-cops-who-were-convicted-for-killing-in-the-line-of-duty/
> There is a difference between aiming for the torso or knee and missing and just going for a kill.
that's exactly correct, aiming for the knee is fucking stupid. if your life is in danger don't fuck around, you kill them first. police are allowed to defend their lives in self defense, and that's what we're talking about in 99% of these cases. if a dude is lumbering at you with a knife in hand, you're not going to pull out a knife and say, "fair and square, let's do this." you're going to pull out your gun and shoot them in the chest.
guns aren't toys. guns aren't to be used as intimidation, as warnings, or as as anything other than lethal force. if a cop pulls his gun it IS so they can use it to kill. anything else is an improper use of that weapon. there are tons of other non-lethal weapons that cops already carry, batons, pepper spray, tazers, so it's not like GUN is their only choice. it's only one tool they carry and it has a very specific use, to protect the officers life in a life threatening situation.
otherwise, dude, it's a crime. and we do prosecute those crimes. stop acting like guns are anything other than a lethal tool used to administer death. cops have plenty of other options (hell, just kick their ass, happens a lot tbh) for non-lethal force with the situation doesn't call for more than that.
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adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,621
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,626
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #702,630
adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 1 week later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,882
@702,626 (squeegee)
I believe a cop should do everything possible to bring a suspect in alive. I think there are very few cases where they should shoot to kill. If the suspect just has a knife you'd first grab your pepper spray or baton before going to a pistol.
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
What?
I believe a cop should do everything possible to bring a suspect in alive. I think there are very few cases where they should shoot to kill. If the suspect just has a knife you'd first grab your pepper spray or baton before going to a pistol.
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
What?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,921
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 38 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,928
@705,882 (adam djensen)
what? every citizen has a right to defend their lives with lethal force. if a guy comes at ME with a knife and i shoot him, it's legal self defense. what you're asking is for cops operate with LESS ability to defend themselves than every other citizen. that is not how it works, bro.
don't want to die by a cop? don't approach one with a weapon of any kind. cops have the same rights i do.
what? every citizen has a right to defend their lives with lethal force. if a guy comes at ME with a knife and i shoot him, it's legal self defense. what you're asking is for cops operate with LESS ability to defend themselves than every other citizen. that is not how it works, bro.
don't want to die by a cop? don't approach one with a weapon of any kind. cops have the same rights i do.
The Sniffer™ !.qqx0aUF2A joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,929
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,930
@previous (The Sniffer™ !.qqx0aUF2A)
you mean murder? which cops can, and do, get held accountable for. that is different than legal self defense.
you mean murder? which cops can, and do, get held accountable for. that is different than legal self defense.
The Sniffer™ !.qqx0aUF2A replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,931
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,936
@previous (The Sniffer™ !.qqx0aUF2A)
got any proof showing cops aren't held accountable for murdering children? i'll wait.
got any proof showing cops aren't held accountable for murdering children? i'll wait.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,946
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,952
bhutto joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,957
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
kook defending the murder of a 12 y/o everybody
shocker
kook defending the murder of a 12 y/o everybody
shocker
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,963
bhutto replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,964
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,972
@705,946 (J)
not murder. kid had a realistic fake gun and didn't comply with officers orders. i believe this was investigated and found to be not murder. stupid accident, yes. murder, not so much.
nice try though. but look harder if you're trying for proof that cops get away with murder. i'll keep waiting.
not murder. kid had a realistic fake gun and didn't comply with officers orders. i believe this was investigated and found to be not murder. stupid accident, yes. murder, not so much.
nice try though. but look harder if you're trying for proof that cops get away with murder. i'll keep waiting.
squeegee double-posted this 10 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,973
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,974
@705,964 (bhutto)
If two little white boys had walked into a school with fake guns and had been shot, I wouldn't give a fuck and neither would you.
If two little white boys had walked into a school with fake guns and had been shot, I wouldn't give a fuck and neither would you.
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,975
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,976
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Everyone does stupid things. You don't get a pass when you have a deadly weapon
Everyone does stupid things. You don't get a pass when you have a deadly weapon
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,977
@705,975 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
no one is saying they should. but it happens, and that sucks. but there is more fault to spread aroud than just on police. where'd he get the realistic gun? who let him play outdoors with it? alone? he wasn't old enough to even properly engage with authority. wtf was he alone!?
no one is saying they should. but it happens, and that sucks. but there is more fault to spread aroud than just on police. where'd he get the realistic gun? who let him play outdoors with it? alone? he wasn't old enough to even properly engage with authority. wtf was he alone!?
adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,978
@705,928 (squeegee)
That is not what I am saying. Here a cop can only pull a gun if he has already attempted pepper spray and using a baton. Assuming the situation permits of course.
And again you don't have to instantly shoot someone in the heart to disable them.
That is not what I am saying. Here a cop can only pull a gun if he has already attempted pepper spray and using a baton. Assuming the situation permits of course.
And again you don't have to instantly shoot someone in the heart to disable them.
adam djensen double-posted this 10 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,979
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 10 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,980
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,981
@705,978 (adam djensen)
again, you don't shoot to disable, dude. they shoot to kill. that is what they are trained to do, becuase it is stupid to take chances with life threatening individuals. and if the gun is out, they have already made that call, as you say "where the situation permits it", that the situation can only be descalated with lethal force.
you're still acting like guns can be used non lethally. they fucking can't.
again, you don't shoot to disable, dude. they shoot to kill. that is what they are trained to do, becuase it is stupid to take chances with life threatening individuals. and if the gun is out, they have already made that call, as you say "where the situation permits it", that the situation can only be descalated with lethal force.
you're still acting like guns can be used non lethally. they fucking can't.
adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,982
@previous (squeegee)
Why not? I don't get your point here. If there's a guy with a knife there is no reason to kill them. Aren't guns used for threatening purposes quite regularly.
Why not? I don't get your point here. If there's a guy with a knife there is no reason to kill them. Aren't guns used for threatening purposes quite regularly.
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,983
@705,980 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
becuase it's our right to own them and use them for self defense and the government can't take that away from us becuase we say "fuck off."
becuase it's our right to own them and use them for self defense and the government can't take that away from us becuase we say "fuck off."
squeegee double-posted this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,984
@705,982 (adam djensen)
becuase they have a knife and can kill you... so you use as much force as you have available to defend yourself. doing otherwise is, again, stupid.
is this really that hard to understand? your life is in danger, this isn't a boxing match. "fair" doesn't matter. don't attack cops with knives, they will and should shoot you in the heart if you try.
becuase they have a knife and can kill you... so you use as much force as you have available to defend yourself. doing otherwise is, again, stupid.
is this really that hard to understand? your life is in danger, this isn't a boxing match. "fair" doesn't matter. don't attack cops with knives, they will and should shoot you in the heart if you try.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,989
bhutto replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,993
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
he was alone in a park and he was a child. he wasnt robbing anybody. the cops were there for just SECONDS before they murdered him
he was alone in a park and he was a child. he wasnt robbing anybody. the cops were there for just SECONDS before they murdered him
bhutto double-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,994
@705,977 (squeegee)
being alone isnt a crime
you never played alone as a child? never with toy guns?
being alone isnt a crime
you never played alone as a child? never with toy guns?
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,997
@705,989 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
fake gun, real gun, the cops don't know which it is until after the fact. it's easy to say in hindsight that the gun was a toy and point to it and say the cops made a mistake. but when it happened how were they supppsed to know it wasn't real? if you're guessing you assume it's real, becuase assuming it can't kill you is dangerous and stupid.
it's always easy to point out mistakes after the fact. arm-chair quarterbacks really think they have insight, they do not.
fake gun, real gun, the cops don't know which it is until after the fact. it's easy to say in hindsight that the gun was a toy and point to it and say the cops made a mistake. but when it happened how were they supppsed to know it wasn't real? if you're guessing you assume it's real, becuase assuming it can't kill you is dangerous and stupid.
it's always easy to point out mistakes after the fact. arm-chair quarterbacks really think they have insight, they do not.
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 10 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #705,998
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,005
@705,994 (bhutto)
your comparing my childhood in the 1980s with a modern childhood in 2016. things change. these days my children would not have realistic toy guns. they certainly wouldn't have them outdoors and be unsupervised if they are too young to comply with authority.
my brothers have kids, and honestly they have pretty well constant supervision. i do think it's a bit weird how curated their childhood is, but i can't blame my brothers. it's a stupid and dangerous world out there and it's not getting any safer with each passing year.
your comparing my childhood in the 1980s with a modern childhood in 2016. things change. these days my children would not have realistic toy guns. they certainly wouldn't have them outdoors and be unsupervised if they are too young to comply with authority.
my brothers have kids, and honestly they have pretty well constant supervision. i do think it's a bit weird how curated their childhood is, but i can't blame my brothers. it's a stupid and dangerous world out there and it's not getting any safer with each passing year.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,007
I'm anti-guns and all, but this whole "cops are bad/incompetent for not trying to shoot to disable" thing does sound a bit silly.
If a cop's drawing a gun, they're probably don't feel they're in a position to mess about with trick shots. Aiming for the centre mass gives the best chance of getting a hit, just aiming for the leg or arm or whatever could result in a miss, giving the assailant time to get in close or return fire.
If a cop's drawing a gun, they're probably don't feel they're in a position to mess about with trick shots. Aiming for the centre mass gives the best chance of getting a hit, just aiming for the leg or arm or whatever could result in a miss, giving the assailant time to get in close or return fire.
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squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,008
@705,998 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
freedoms != inalienable rights. you understand the difference, right? between being allowed to and having a natural right to? it's not that we are allowed to have guns, it's that the government is not allowed to take them away.
freedoms != inalienable rights. you understand the difference, right? between being allowed to and having a natural right to? it's not that we are allowed to have guns, it's that the government is not allowed to take them away.
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bhuto replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,011
@706,005 (squeegee)
so you are blaming a child for his own murder when you probably did the same kind of shit as a kid because of the year?
'oh i can do it in 1989 but omg 2015? he deserved it'
pretty sure it was because he was black and not because of the date
they still sell realistic toy guns at every damn liquor store so what do you think has changed? cops are more trigger happy? or are kids more dangerous?
they didnt give that kid a chance to comply. they pulled up jumped out and opened fire in seconds flat
so you are blaming a child for his own murder when you probably did the same kind of shit as a kid because of the year?
'oh i can do it in 1989 but omg 2015? he deserved it'
pretty sure it was because he was black and not because of the date
they still sell realistic toy guns at every damn liquor store so what do you think has changed? cops are more trigger happy? or are kids more dangerous?
they didnt give that kid a chance to comply. they pulled up jumped out and opened fire in seconds flat
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,012
@previous (bhuto)
never said he deserved it, dude. it's a sad and unfortunate series of events that ended in the loss of a young life, and it could have been avoided in more than one way. but, the cops did not act recklessly. they acted in self defense, and it was only after the fact that the truth was evident. the kid didn't deserve to die, but the situation he was in demanded it.
again, the whole thing was avoidable and it starts with parental responsibility. mistakes were made on everyone's part, and it was an unfortunate accident. but it was ultimately avoidable well before police even arrived.
stop trying to vilify me, thanks
never said he deserved it, dude. it's a sad and unfortunate series of events that ended in the loss of a young life, and it could have been avoided in more than one way. but, the cops did not act recklessly. they acted in self defense, and it was only after the fact that the truth was evident. the kid didn't deserve to die, but the situation he was in demanded it.
again, the whole thing was avoidable and it starts with parental responsibility. mistakes were made on everyone's part, and it was an unfortunate accident. but it was ultimately avoidable well before police even arrived.
stop trying to vilify me, thanks
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Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,013
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 19 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,014
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,015
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 triple-posted this 10 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,016
Button you wouldnt care if the child was white
Metæ joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,019
@706,005 (squeegee)
> it's a stupid and dangerous world out there and it's not getting any safer with each passing year
Where did this meme come from? All the crime statistics say violent crime is down a lot since 1990. By any objective measure the world is a lot safer. I mean most cars didn't even have airbags back then.
> it's a stupid and dangerous world out there and it's not getting any safer with each passing year
Where did this meme come from? All the crime statistics say violent crime is down a lot since 1990. By any objective measure the world is a lot safer. I mean most cars didn't even have airbags back then.
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,023
@previous (Metæ)
maybe it's just perception and the media treating every local event like national news. the new generation of parents are being called worse than helicopter parents of the early 2000s becuase of the 100% curation of every minute of every day coupled with kids having a smaller footprint than ever while growing up.
when i was a kid we rode bikes 10 miles from home. my nephews and neices are lucky if they play down the block. well, it's their choice, they choose to stay home and do most social stuff online, but their physical footprint is much smaller. anyway, combined with ultra helicoptering they are pretty much supervised 100% of the time. but, they are also all under 16, so, they should have lot of supervision. the 16 year old has as much freedom as we did growing up, but also he was old enough to be responsible and was taught how to interact with authority. if a cop were to tell him to drop something he wouldn't point it at them. he'd drop it. so he goes unsupervised often, of course, like i said, he's old enough to care for himself and stay out of danger.
his 9 year old brother though? yeah, no... he's far too young and far too opositional with authority to be allowed outdoors without realistic toy guns and be alone. he does ride his bike around the block by himself or with friends sometime. and he does have realistic toy guns, and they are inside toys and he's the first to say that.
maybe it's just perception and the media treating every local event like national news. the new generation of parents are being called worse than helicopter parents of the early 2000s becuase of the 100% curation of every minute of every day coupled with kids having a smaller footprint than ever while growing up.
when i was a kid we rode bikes 10 miles from home. my nephews and neices are lucky if they play down the block. well, it's their choice, they choose to stay home and do most social stuff online, but their physical footprint is much smaller. anyway, combined with ultra helicoptering they are pretty much supervised 100% of the time. but, they are also all under 16, so, they should have lot of supervision. the 16 year old has as much freedom as we did growing up, but also he was old enough to be responsible and was taught how to interact with authority. if a cop were to tell him to drop something he wouldn't point it at them. he'd drop it. so he goes unsupervised often, of course, like i said, he's old enough to care for himself and stay out of danger.
his 9 year old brother though? yeah, no... he's far too young and far too opositional with authority to be allowed outdoors without realistic toy guns and be alone. he does ride his bike around the block by himself or with friends sometime. and he does have realistic toy guns, and they are inside toys and he's the first to say that.
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adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,053
adam djensen double-posted this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,057
@705,984 (squeegee)
Yeah this is I think is pretty personal opinion. I am not going to mourn for some guy that was shot because he was coming at a cop with a knife but I do think that it's extremely important that police do everything possible to just keep a suspect alive even if that closes at some cost to police security and I think in a lot of cases that's not happening.
Yeah this is I think is pretty personal opinion. I am not going to mourn for some guy that was shot because he was coming at a cop with a knife but I do think that it's extremely important that police do everything possible to just keep a suspect alive even if that closes at some cost to police security and I think in a lot of cases that's not happening.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,064
adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,141
@705,984 (squeegee)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-police-shooting-statistics-discharge-firearms-figures-freddie-gray-baton-killings-homicide-a7160391.html
Thoughts?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-police-shooting-statistics-discharge-firearms-figures-freddie-gray-baton-killings-homicide-a7160391.html
Thoughts?
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,188
@previous (adam djensen)
My thoughts are that this is good, and a bit of a bragging point for my chaps.
Though I'm also thinking it is easier for the UK's police to not need to carry or often fire guns in a country where the regular people very rarely have guns.
My thoughts are that this is good, and a bit of a bragging point for my chaps.
Though I'm also thinking it is easier for the UK's police to not need to carry or often fire guns in a country where the regular people very rarely have guns.
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squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,189
adam djensen replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #706,209
@706,188 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Apparently in Dutchland police guns were fired 158 times of which at least 70 were warning shots. People were wounded or killed 38 times.
Apparently in Dutchland police guns were fired 158 times of which at least 70 were warning shots. People were wounded or killed 38 times.