Topic: FAO: buspuppie
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 started this discussion 15 years ago #5,338
Just something I thought you might be interested in.The Zetas in Mexico are apparently now stopping busses on the road and forcing people to choose between joining them and death. Conscription, really, since they're pretty much the government there.
If you join, it's menial work and they use your family to blackmail you.
Any ways, it's hardly a dignified death. They saw your head off. Not quickly, either. They draw it out. It's pretty much half over by the time you stop blubbering.
Interestingly enough, most people choose death - they keep finding mass graves, with 80 or 90 headless bodies in them.
There's videos of their killings around, but I don't have any links. You can look around for them, though. Shouldn't be too hard to find.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later[^] [v] #94,241
Mexico is never gonna get their shit straight. Its sad really considering how close they are to decent countries like America and Canada, we are far from perfect, but I can ride a bus without fear of losing my head.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,247
Another reason to end the drug war.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,249
@94,241 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Troops should be cleaning out Juarez right now, rather than being in Afghanistan.
I'll bet that more people have died in Juarez in the past 2 years than in Afghanistan over the past 8 or 9. A quarter of the population has, I've heard.
The Mexican president is a piece of shit and a liar.
Troops should be cleaning out Juarez right now, rather than being in Afghanistan.
I'll bet that more people have died in Juarez in the past 2 years than in Afghanistan over the past 8 or 9. A quarter of the population has, I've heard.
The Mexican president is a piece of shit and a liar.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,254
How much of the problem do you think is due to nafta and similar policies
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,256
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,259
@94,249 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
> The Mexican president is a piece of shit and a liar.
I've had discussions in the past with Mexicans currently living in Mexico. They explained to me that is not just a political problem, but more of a social problem. The very culture itself is corrupted. Lying, cheating, stealing, its all very normal practice occurring everyday, from the top, down to the local schools. They are proud Mexicans and good people, but they can't deny the heart of the issue is the culture. When a problem is that deep...
wat do?
> The Mexican president is a piece of shit and a liar.
I've had discussions in the past with Mexicans currently living in Mexico. They explained to me that is not just a political problem, but more of a social problem. The very culture itself is corrupted. Lying, cheating, stealing, its all very normal practice occurring everyday, from the top, down to the local schools. They are proud Mexicans and good people, but they can't deny the heart of the issue is the culture. When a problem is that deep...
wat do?
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Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,260
@94,254 (D)
They contribute to it. But not by a huge amount, imo.
I don't know how much a policy like NAFTA would affect drug cartels.
They contribute to it. But not by a huge amount, imo.
I don't know how much a policy like NAFTA would affect drug cartels.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,264
@94,259 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You can't do much, actually. But the thing is, it didn't have to be quite this bad. Whole towns are overrun by cartels.
I doubt Mexico will ever be a great country. But it can be cleaned up.
Everything contributes to it. Some things can be cancelled out.
You can't do much, actually. But the thing is, it didn't have to be quite this bad. Whole towns are overrun by cartels.
I doubt Mexico will ever be a great country. But it can be cleaned up.
Everything contributes to it. Some things can be cancelled out.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,266
Anonymous D double-posted this 15 years ago, 16 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,267
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,269
@94,264 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
The people are in no position to do anything realistically. Even if they did, everything would quickly be the same.
The government will never do anything. Ever.
The people are in no position to do anything realistically. Even if they did, everything would quickly be the same.
The government will never do anything. Ever.
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Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,272
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
My apologies. I didn't mean that the people should try to do anything about it. Because they can't.
And the gov't won't, you're right. But other people should. I'm serious, American/Canadian troops should be in Mexico right now, rather than Afghanistan.
@94,266 (D)
It does. But what contributes to poverty?
My apologies. I didn't mean that the people should try to do anything about it. Because they can't.
And the gov't won't, you're right. But other people should. I'm serious, American/Canadian troops should be in Mexico right now, rather than Afghanistan.
@94,266 (D)
It does. But what contributes to poverty?
PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,275
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
The military is not a toy bud, we can't swing it around like a dolly. What Mexico needs is massive social programs, infrastucture and investments in education. Big problems require big solutions, but the military doean't actyally fix anything. They just break stuff. If you want to fix social problems, then you have to address social issues. Grow up and leave.
The military is not a toy bud, we can't swing it around like a dolly. What Mexico needs is massive social programs, infrastucture and investments in education. Big problems require big solutions, but the military doean't actyally fix anything. They just break stuff. If you want to fix social problems, then you have to address social issues. Grow up and leave.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,276
@94,272 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
> I'm serious, American/Canadian troops should be in Mexico right now, rather than Afghanistan.
Never gonna happen. I think our troops should be here in the US doin' thangs. I'm sick of our economy sucking while we spend trillions on backwards ass sand nations that won't amount to shit. Build fucking housing for the homeless HERE with that money, do something HERE. We're not gonna be able to help anyone, much less ourselves if we can't fix shit here.
> I'm serious, American/Canadian troops should be in Mexico right now, rather than Afghanistan.
Never gonna happen. I think our troops should be here in the US doin' thangs. I'm sick of our economy sucking while we spend trillions on backwards ass sand nations that won't amount to shit. Build fucking housing for the homeless HERE with that money, do something HERE. We're not gonna be able to help anyone, much less ourselves if we can't fix shit here.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,277
@94,275 (PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s)
Social programs won't help while people are being killed and forced into drug cartels.
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
That means your gov't will admit there's something wrong. That won't happen.
Social programs won't help while people are being killed and forced into drug cartels.
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
That means your gov't will admit there's something wrong. That won't happen.
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PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #94,278
@94,276 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
We could fix shit here, but the problem is that half the people think our problems can only be fixed with boot straps.
We could fix shit here, but the problem is that half the people think our problems can only be fixed with boot straps.
PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s double-posted this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,279
brie !OudrPWaUDQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,281
@94,276 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
> I think our troops should be here in the US doin' thangs.
They are. It's called the police.
> I think our troops should be here in the US doin' thangs.
They are. It's called the police.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,285
Mexico has always been an unstable place. For example, the border town Ciudad Juarez is particularly notorious. Over serval years dozens of mass graves have been found around it, and amnesty international estimates that 370 women have been murdered there. In this case, the police were outright useless, and Canada and America stepped in and did most of the investigating on it.
Normally I'd disagree with you on sending troops in, but I think that parts of Mexico could use it. Their government is either too weak or simply doesn't care. It'd cause a diplomatic shitstorm though, so I doubt it'll happen.
Normally I'd disagree with you on sending troops in, but I think that parts of Mexico could use it. Their government is either too weak or simply doesn't care. It'd cause a diplomatic shitstorm though, so I doubt it'll happen.
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Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,290
@94,279 (PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s)
Nah, I believe my source.
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Diplomacy makes everything difficult. Seas of red tape...
Nah, I believe my source.
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Diplomacy makes everything difficult. Seas of red tape...
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,292
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PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,316
@94,290 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
I'm not questioning your source. I'm questioning the generality that Mexico is as bad as sensational media makes it out to be. The border cartel problem is not representative of all of mexico. Mexico has larger social problems then just cartel violence. You might as well categorize all of America as being under siege by gang violence because some gangs are killing each other in LA.
Social problema can't be handled with a stick --and you'll never rid mexico of drug violence as long as they are socially incompetent and allow their citizens to go without basic civil services, education and health.
Sure, border crime is bad, but if young mexican males had more good options for a beter life, then they wouldn't have a huge pool of underemployed poor men to 'recruit.'
The best way to fix a society, is to provide for it's people. And we certainly aren't going to bully it out of them. We tried that in Afghanistan, hurr.
I'm not questioning your source. I'm questioning the generality that Mexico is as bad as sensational media makes it out to be. The border cartel problem is not representative of all of mexico. Mexico has larger social problems then just cartel violence. You might as well categorize all of America as being under siege by gang violence because some gangs are killing each other in LA.
Social problema can't be handled with a stick --and you'll never rid mexico of drug violence as long as they are socially incompetent and allow their citizens to go without basic civil services, education and health.
Sure, border crime is bad, but if young mexican males had more good options for a beter life, then they wouldn't have a huge pool of underemployed poor men to 'recruit.'
The best way to fix a society, is to provide for it's people. And we certainly aren't going to bully it out of them. We tried that in Afghanistan, hurr.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,322
@previous (PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s)
True. My apologies.
I see.
Still, though. Providing social services, education, and health may prevent the recruiting of many new members.
But that doesn't get rid of the current ones.
True. My apologies.
I see.
Still, though. Providing social services, education, and health may prevent the recruiting of many new members.
But that doesn't get rid of the current ones.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,325
@94,316 (PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s)
I can't see that happening anytime soon either, though. I doubt that their government would be able to effectively implement those changes (maybe eventually, but it'd take quite some time), or that any other country will provide enough help to make a noticeable difference.
But I suppose I agree that a military solution wouldn't work out either. Too impractical.
I can't see that happening anytime soon either, though. I doubt that their government would be able to effectively implement those changes (maybe eventually, but it'd take quite some time), or that any other country will provide enough help to make a noticeable difference.
But I suppose I agree that a military solution wouldn't work out either. Too impractical.
PlayingAlong !GEnY2rC71s replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,334
@94,322 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
It does not get rid of the current ones, no. But they will always be replaced as long as the mexican government doesn't work for the people. It will require massive changes in orser to do remove the problem. Everything else only contains it.
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, but many small steps in the right direction eventually gets you to your destination. Social problems are the hardest to repair. Just look at American Reconstuction after the civil war. Many of those problems were not solved for 80 years, and some persist to this day. But, without a goal imcluding civil liberties and community development no amount of policing will ever stop the problem in it's entirety.
It does not get rid of the current ones, no. But they will always be replaced as long as the mexican government doesn't work for the people. It will require massive changes in orser to do remove the problem. Everything else only contains it.
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, but many small steps in the right direction eventually gets you to your destination. Social problems are the hardest to repair. Just look at American Reconstuction after the civil war. Many of those problems were not solved for 80 years, and some persist to this day. But, without a goal imcluding civil liberties and community development no amount of policing will ever stop the problem in it's entirety.
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,574
Thank you so much! I'm researching this right now.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,575
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
I never received a PM from an admin. :/
I think they forgot. Or ignored it.
I never received a PM from an admin. :/
I think they forgot. Or ignored it.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,582
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,596
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #94,663
Lot of assuming bullshit in this thread.