Topic: Brexit
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ started this discussion 10 years ago #53,326
Hey, I know a lot of you, or at least some of you are in the UK. How did you vote, and how do you feel about leaving the European Union?
Personally, im happy for you guys, Im not investing in anything at the moment,so I'm not affected monetarily, and I figure the UK populus has a better grasp on their situation than I ever could.
So, how do you feel?
Personally, im happy for you guys, Im not investing in anything at the moment,so I'm not affected monetarily, and I figure the UK populus has a better grasp on their situation than I ever could.
So, how do you feel?
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later[^] [v] #695,539
Well, John, it's a mess. The value of our currency took a nosedive, the people who campaigned to leave are already back-peddling on their big promises, and Northern Ireland and Scotland are pushing for independence. Our Universities are also expected to take a hit, losing funding, staff and research opportunities.
I voted to remain. Right now I feel awful about this situation, and see a bleak and difficult future for the UK. Many of my countrymen, however insist on living in a nationalist fantasy world, and simply downplay or ignore the conga line of setbacks that experts warned us about months before the Brexit.
I voted to remain. Right now I feel awful about this situation, and see a bleak and difficult future for the UK. Many of my countrymen, however insist on living in a nationalist fantasy world, and simply downplay or ignore the conga line of setbacks that experts warned us about months before the Brexit.
Green !BEERiVqJJw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,545
I voted leave and I'm very happy John, for many reasons. The EU are an undemocratic organization who are forcing their rules on us. They wanted us to convert to the Euro, but we wisely didn't. The way they have treated Greece shows they are not the force for good people think they are. We will take back control of Britain now, we will be sovereign and have the final say in our laws and trade. Times will be tough at first, but we will prevail and in the end we shall be freer and stronger than we have ever been.Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,546
It was a bad decision made by an uniformed population but in the end it'll turn out ok because intelligent people will make it work somehow while the fucking idiots who voted for it go back to posting selfies on social media and paying for blow jobs from the very same nationalities they claim to want to deport.
Dr. Whom !7MHPahvoGY joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,548
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,550
@695,546 (D)
To be fair, they weren't just uniformed. Vote Leave was very good at lying to and misinforming the voters.
To be fair, they weren't just uniformed. Vote Leave was very good at lying to and misinforming the voters.
Anonymous D replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,551
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Oh fucking bullshit, the 'Leave' side printed obvious shite on the sides of buses. If anyone was dumb enough to fall for that level of political sloganeering, and then cry that they were lied to, then frankly they don't deserve one vote, let alone two, which they're now wailing for.
Oh fucking bullshit, the 'Leave' side printed obvious shite on the sides of buses. If anyone was dumb enough to fall for that level of political sloganeering, and then cry that they were lied to, then frankly they don't deserve one vote, let alone two, which they're now wailing for.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,555
@previous (D)
You're right, we shouldn't be mad with Leave for convincingly twisting the facts. It's entirely the fault of eurosceptic Britons for believing what they wanted to hear.
You're right, we shouldn't be mad with Leave for convincingly twisting the facts. It's entirely the fault of eurosceptic Britons for believing what they wanted to hear.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 30 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,556
@695,539 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
From what I understand the EU was more helpful than it was detrimental. I understand the idea or sovereignty, but practically being part of a larger economy with ease of trade is likely to be beneficial. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong the EU does respect countries residing within it the right to create laws, and govern their people as they see fit with exception to people's right to roam freely within the EU, amongst a few other things. I also believe that you paid an extremely low tax to remain in the EU, low enough to basically enough to not be an issue.
From what I understand the EU was more helpful than it was detrimental. I understand the idea or sovereignty, but practically being part of a larger economy with ease of trade is likely to be beneficial. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong the EU does respect countries residing within it the right to create laws, and govern their people as they see fit with exception to people's right to roam freely within the EU, amongst a few other things. I also believe that you paid an extremely low tax to remain in the EU, low enough to basically enough to not be an issue.
Dr. Whom !7MHPahvoGY replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,558
@695,555 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)From what I heard, they thought they were voting for kebab removal.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 10 years ago, 17 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,559
@695,556 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
I'm afraid there's nothing we can do now John. This'll all blow over in a week or so.
I'm afraid there's nothing we can do now John. This'll all blow over in a week or so.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,560
@695,545 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Now that the decision has been made I hope sincerely that you are correct. I do think your independence will certainly be less detrimental than some naysayers suggest. I do think a lot of your economic future relies on the ability of the UK to negotiate trade agreements with members of the EU. Whilst those in power of the latter are giving the rhetoric that the UK will not be able to have its cake and eat it, too, my suspicion is that economic interest will prevail and some sort of compromise is likely to be made.
Now that the decision has been made I hope sincerely that you are correct. I do think your independence will certainly be less detrimental than some naysayers suggest. I do think a lot of your economic future relies on the ability of the UK to negotiate trade agreements with members of the EU. Whilst those in power of the latter are giving the rhetoric that the UK will not be able to have its cake and eat it, too, my suspicion is that economic interest will prevail and some sort of compromise is likely to be made.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,561
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
> Whilst those in power of the latter are giving the rhetoric that the UK will not be able to have its cake and eat it, too, my suspicion is that economic interest will prevail and some sort of compromise is likely to be made.
This would be nice, but unlikely. It's in the EU's interest to make this hard on us. There are strong anti-EU movements in France and the Netherlands and other EU countries, and they've been emboldened by this. Softening the blow of the Brexit will just encourage them that leaving would work.
@695,556 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Yep, you've got the facts straight enough, John. Things in the EU were fine.
> Whilst those in power of the latter are giving the rhetoric that the UK will not be able to have its cake and eat it, too, my suspicion is that economic interest will prevail and some sort of compromise is likely to be made.
This would be nice, but unlikely. It's in the EU's interest to make this hard on us. There are strong anti-EU movements in France and the Netherlands and other EU countries, and they've been emboldened by this. Softening the blow of the Brexit will just encourage them that leaving would work.
@695,556 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Yep, you've got the facts straight enough, John. Things in the EU were fine.
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Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #695,565
@695,560 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
There are two main scenarios that I see will play out. Other countries like France, Greece etc will hold referendums and leave the EU. This will be the best scenario for us because the EU will dissolve, the euro will go down and the pound will rise again. It also means we can negotiate trades with other countries that leave the EU. The other scenario is that the EU remains strong and other countries don't hold referendums or vote to remain in. It depends on how stable Britain remains the next coming months. If the EU stays strong the pound will fall and the euro will rise. This would be economically unviable for the UK and it would fracture the relationship between Scotland and England even more.
There are two main scenarios that I see will play out. Other countries like France, Greece etc will hold referendums and leave the EU. This will be the best scenario for us because the EU will dissolve, the euro will go down and the pound will rise again. It also means we can negotiate trades with other countries that leave the EU. The other scenario is that the EU remains strong and other countries don't hold referendums or vote to remain in. It depends on how stable Britain remains the next coming months. If the EU stays strong the pound will fall and the euro will rise. This would be economically unviable for the UK and it would fracture the relationship between Scotland and England even more.
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #695,585
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)> Other countries like France, Greece etc
> It also means we can negotiate trades with other countries that leave the EU
> Greece
squeegee joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #695,602
@695,565 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
how the fuck is it that you drunken brits start talking like winston fucking churchill as soon as you start talking politics? aren't you the same bible shitting, traffic cone stealing vandal that gets kicked out of housing?
how are you having this level of discourse? how do you brits do it? we'd have made the whole thing about mexicans and abortion and shut down congress and we'd be at each other's throats right now. and that'd just be the experts and talking heads. us regular drunken retards would be shooting each other and building underground survival shelters.
how the fuck is it that you drunken brits start talking like winston fucking churchill as soon as you start talking politics? aren't you the same bible shitting, traffic cone stealing vandal that gets kicked out of housing?
how are you having this level of discourse? how do you brits do it? we'd have made the whole thing about mexicans and abortion and shut down congress and we'd be at each other's throats right now. and that'd just be the experts and talking heads. us regular drunken retards would be shooting each other and building underground survival shelters.
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TTEH !PUPenis69. joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #695,606
I stayed up to watch the results and I was absolutely gutted, to be honest. Amongst the first areas to declare results was Newcastle, which was expected to be very Remain, and when Remain turned out to be in the lead by only 1%, I knew we were fucked.
Like Killer Lettuce hints at, certain areas of the country voted overwhelmingly to stay (London, Scotland, Northern Ireland). That's fuelled a lot of debate, and discussion on Irish and Scottish independence. The First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, wants to call another Scottish referendum on independence. She wants to negotiate with the EU a situation where Scotland remains in the EU whatever happens, similar to how Greenland is outside the EU despite being part of the Danish Realm, with Denmark being an EU member.
The GBP fell immediately, the FTSE 100 dropped 7% (closed at 3%), FTSE 250 fell 9%. The Continent fared even worse -- CAC down 7.8%, DAX down 6.8%, Euro Stoxx 50 down 8.5%.
One MP has called for Parliament to ignore the referendum or hold a vote, since it was a non-binding referendum technically. A petition for a second referendum reached 2,000,000 signatures, too.
Things aren't looking too good, and all Leave have to say is "we'll be OK, we'll be fine, we'll negotiate trade deals and our economy will probably be alright, don't worry!" despite the warnings of every economist of repute. Fantastic times ahead.
Like Killer Lettuce hints at, certain areas of the country voted overwhelmingly to stay (London, Scotland, Northern Ireland). That's fuelled a lot of debate, and discussion on Irish and Scottish independence. The First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, wants to call another Scottish referendum on independence. She wants to negotiate with the EU a situation where Scotland remains in the EU whatever happens, similar to how Greenland is outside the EU despite being part of the Danish Realm, with Denmark being an EU member.
The GBP fell immediately, the FTSE 100 dropped 7% (closed at 3%), FTSE 250 fell 9%. The Continent fared even worse -- CAC down 7.8%, DAX down 6.8%, Euro Stoxx 50 down 8.5%.
One MP has called for Parliament to ignore the referendum or hold a vote, since it was a non-binding referendum technically. A petition for a second referendum reached 2,000,000 signatures, too.
Things aren't looking too good, and all Leave have to say is "we'll be OK, we'll be fine, we'll negotiate trade deals and our economy will probably be alright, don't worry!" despite the warnings of every economist of repute. Fantastic times ahead.
TTEH !PUPenis69. double-posted this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #695,614
@695,545 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
See, those are lovely ideas, but it certainly won't work like that.
"We'll be sovereign." Will we be? Chances are overwhelming we'll want to retain access to the single market, and if we want that, it means accepting the free movement of people, as a Tory MEP on the Leave side recently admitted. Granted, voluntarily following EU rules isn't the same as having diktats imposed without any say, but there is no practical difference.
Like Norway, like Switzerland, we'll have to follow EU regulations but have absolutely no input on them at all. There is nothing to suggest the 27-state EU is going to give us preferential treatment. Nothing whatsoever. In fact, they're now incentivised to make this process as difficult for us as possible to discourage other EU countries from leaving — they'll want to show the rest of Europe that it's downhill as soon as Article 50 is invoked. Of course we'll negotiate trade deals, but we'll also have to trade with our biggest partner — Europe — and to do that means, as of today, pretty much doing whatever the fuck the EU wants us to.
We had every economist, business group, and academic expert screaming at us to make the sensible decision, and we shot ourselves in the foot instead, mostly thanks to geriatrics that will be in the ground by the time the consequences of their vote start to become apparent. :)
See, those are lovely ideas, but it certainly won't work like that.
"We'll be sovereign." Will we be? Chances are overwhelming we'll want to retain access to the single market, and if we want that, it means accepting the free movement of people, as a Tory MEP on the Leave side recently admitted. Granted, voluntarily following EU rules isn't the same as having diktats imposed without any say, but there is no practical difference.
Like Norway, like Switzerland, we'll have to follow EU regulations but have absolutely no input on them at all. There is nothing to suggest the 27-state EU is going to give us preferential treatment. Nothing whatsoever. In fact, they're now incentivised to make this process as difficult for us as possible to discourage other EU countries from leaving — they'll want to show the rest of Europe that it's downhill as soon as Article 50 is invoked. Of course we'll negotiate trade deals, but we'll also have to trade with our biggest partner — Europe — and to do that means, as of today, pretty much doing whatever the fuck the EU wants us to.
We had every economist, business group, and academic expert screaming at us to make the sensible decision, and we shot ourselves in the foot instead, mostly thanks to geriatrics that will be in the ground by the time the consequences of their vote start to become apparent. :)
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,615
@previous (TTEH !PUPenis69.)
> We had every economist, business group, and academic expert screaming at us to make the sensible decision, and we shot ourselves in the foot instead, mostly thanks to geriatrics that will be in the ground by the time the consequences of their vote start to become apparent. :)
oooooh, so this is like the british version of our whole trump thing. got it.
> We had every economist, business group, and academic expert screaming at us to make the sensible decision, and we shot ourselves in the foot instead, mostly thanks to geriatrics that will be in the ground by the time the consequences of their vote start to become apparent. :)
oooooh, so this is like the british version of our whole trump thing. got it.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 24 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,625
@695,606 (TTEH !PUPenis69.)
> A petition for a second referendum reached 2,000,000 signatures, too.
2,500,000, now.
I feel like it's unlikely, but it would be great if this ill-advised venture was called off before it goes ahead. Another referendum might go differently, too, since many leave voters are realising what a bad idea leaving is ("Bregret", as the media has dubbed it).
@previous (squeegee)
Comparisons have been drawn with the whole Trump phenomenon. Mainly in how a populist, right-wing cause has upended the status quo by appealing to disillusioned working class people.
> A petition for a second referendum reached 2,000,000 signatures, too.
2,500,000, now.
I feel like it's unlikely, but it would be great if this ill-advised venture was called off before it goes ahead. Another referendum might go differently, too, since many leave voters are realising what a bad idea leaving is ("Bregret", as the media has dubbed it).
@previous (squeegee)
Comparisons have been drawn with the whole Trump phenomenon. Mainly in how a populist, right-wing cause has upended the status quo by appealing to disillusioned working class people.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,632
You're going to reap just what you sow
You're going to reap just what you sow
You're going to reap just what you sow
You're going to reap just what you sow
You're going to reap just what you sow
You're going to reap just what you sow
You're going to reap just what you sow
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So, you can kick out the muslims now? Or is it that you don't have to let them in anymore?
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if the pics I've seen say anything, it was about ugly haircuts
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@695,625 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Comparisons have been drawn with the whole Trump phenomenon. Mainly in how a populist, right-wing cause has upended the status quo by appealing to disillusioned working class people
If Trump/Farage wins it's only because they failed. Maybe all the evidence point to Remain as the better bet. You can get charts and white papers and march a phalanx of economics Ph.Ds on stage to sing the praises of the EU. But it doesn't matter if the working class feels left behind or disenfranchised. Calling them racists or ignorant or "voting against their interests" is counterproductive. The right tactic is to make them feel good about the EU on a deep emotional level. Farage and Trump have no policy or credibility but they have really good memes. The establishment needs better memes.
> Comparisons have been drawn with the whole Trump phenomenon. Mainly in how a populist, right-wing cause has upended the status quo by appealing to disillusioned working class people
If Trump/Farage wins it's only because they failed. Maybe all the evidence point to Remain as the better bet. You can get charts and white papers and march a phalanx of economics Ph.Ds on stage to sing the praises of the EU. But it doesn't matter if the working class feels left behind or disenfranchised. Calling them racists or ignorant or "voting against their interests" is counterproductive. The right tactic is to make them feel good about the EU on a deep emotional level. Farage and Trump have no policy or credibility but they have really good memes. The establishment needs better memes.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 50 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,744
@695,614 (TTEH !PUPenis69.)
> they're now incentivised to make this process as difficult for us as possible to discourage other EU countries from leaving — they'll want to show the rest of Europe that it's downhill as soon as Article 50 is invoked.
Exactly
Eu is forced to make UK a bloody example of hell for going on its own and destabilizing the Planet
> "Bregret
Wondering the just what If? Until Article 50 is officially evoked; Vote for Brexit is just Mate saying to other mate, I want a divorce. Massive number of signatures might stand a chance of smarter minds prevailing
@695,614 (TTEH !PUPenis69.)
> We had every economist, business group, and academic expert screaming at us to make the sensible decision, and we shot ourselves in the foot instead, mostly thanks to geriatrics that will be in the ground by the time the consequences of their vote start to become apparent. :)
The demographics of who voted to leave match the same as we have in USA for those in favor of an out-liner like Trump.
@695,565 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
I cannot find any arguments for the pound long term rising and mostly because the shear cost and time for new trade agreements with Everyone Including the USA. Its monumental without a single reason why new trade agreements will be any better and in practice will end up just the opposite. There is no reason anyone can give where UK ends up on the better side post Brexit
Not trying to pick on you Green. You have to admit UK ends up your personal hind tit to suck on. How many of you living on the dole? You need to think not only about the consequences of Brexit vote but your own situation where you personally chose to drag down the very economy you say you support. You cannot have it both ways. You need a long term plan of growth. Brexit is going to make your daily survival more difficult the next time you go out shopping. And its going to get worse as each month goes on.
@previous (Metæ)
> The right tactic is to make them feel good about the EU on a deep emotional level. Farage and Trump have no policy or credibility but they have really good memes. The establishment needs better memes.
I am in from one hell of a Day/Night out n about - Started with real tears for first 7 hours and ended up with tears of more joy then memories of loves of past, now passed on
So I wonder just how many Nationalist movements starting back when say a UnderEducated Paper Hanger ended up almost bombing and burning UK to the ground.
I will keep saying it - Trump is fueled by the white uneducated and Brexit ends up with mass of votes from the uneducated. At times in history they do prevail with dire consequences
@695,729 (squeegee)
> is there going to be a wall?
Actually all over Eu there are now several brand new razor wire walls
> they're now incentivised to make this process as difficult for us as possible to discourage other EU countries from leaving — they'll want to show the rest of Europe that it's downhill as soon as Article 50 is invoked.
Exactly
Eu is forced to make UK a bloody example of hell for going on its own and destabilizing the Planet
> "Bregret
Wondering the just what If? Until Article 50 is officially evoked; Vote for Brexit is just Mate saying to other mate, I want a divorce. Massive number of signatures might stand a chance of smarter minds prevailing
@695,614 (TTEH !PUPenis69.)
> We had every economist, business group, and academic expert screaming at us to make the sensible decision, and we shot ourselves in the foot instead, mostly thanks to geriatrics that will be in the ground by the time the consequences of their vote start to become apparent. :)
The demographics of who voted to leave match the same as we have in USA for those in favor of an out-liner like Trump.
@695,565 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
I cannot find any arguments for the pound long term rising and mostly because the shear cost and time for new trade agreements with Everyone Including the USA. Its monumental without a single reason why new trade agreements will be any better and in practice will end up just the opposite. There is no reason anyone can give where UK ends up on the better side post Brexit
Not trying to pick on you Green. You have to admit UK ends up your personal hind tit to suck on. How many of you living on the dole? You need to think not only about the consequences of Brexit vote but your own situation where you personally chose to drag down the very economy you say you support. You cannot have it both ways. You need a long term plan of growth. Brexit is going to make your daily survival more difficult the next time you go out shopping. And its going to get worse as each month goes on.
@previous (Metæ)
> The right tactic is to make them feel good about the EU on a deep emotional level. Farage and Trump have no policy or credibility but they have really good memes. The establishment needs better memes.
I am in from one hell of a Day/Night out n about - Started with real tears for first 7 hours and ended up with tears of more joy then memories of loves of past, now passed on
So I wonder just how many Nationalist movements starting back when say a UnderEducated Paper Hanger ended up almost bombing and burning UK to the ground.
I will keep saying it - Trump is fueled by the white uneducated and Brexit ends up with mass of votes from the uneducated. At times in history they do prevail with dire consequences
@695,729 (squeegee)
> is there going to be a wall?
Actually all over Eu there are now several brand new razor wire walls
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Metæ replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,745
@previous (Syntax)
> Trump is fueled by the white uneducated and Brexit ends up with mass of votes from the uneducated.
See this is the problem. There's that word again "uneducated". Yes it's true. But you need a better meme. The establishment (and it's supporters) really need to research effective propaganda because what you have now is not working.
> Trump is fueled by the white uneducated and Brexit ends up with mass of votes from the uneducated.
See this is the problem. There's that word again "uneducated". Yes it's true. But you need a better meme. The establishment (and it's supporters) really need to research effective propaganda because what you have now is not working.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,746
@695,625 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I wasn't staunchly pro-brexit. Had Cameron kept some of his manifesto pledges and got better concessions from his EU talks, I probably would've voted remain. I actually think there is a lot of good in the EU.
I wasn't staunchly pro-brexit. Had Cameron kept some of his manifesto pledges and got better concessions from his EU talks, I probably would've voted remain. I actually think there is a lot of good in the EU.
Syntax replied with this 10 years ago, 17 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,749
@695,745 (Metæ)
> The establishment (and it's supporters) really need to research effective propaganda because what you have now is not working
I am not disagreeing with you. Its is more than possible because its occurred in the past. Trump calls it a movement and a movement it is. I call it a Bowel Movement but as you said meme fails.
I am not worried with of course one exception - Trumps white underEducated which includes a few million new gun toting white racists and similar ilk - When matched with that which caused Romney to fail - The lack of Latino and black votes. Republican party spent all that money to figure out why they lost and one of two key areas were the Latinos and of course the minor problem of Romney putting down the Poor and middle class At least he was not mean about the put down.
Trump currently with the
> with of course one exception
More Women in the USA vote then Men and Trump has MORE WOMEN who despise him than any past candidate in the history of USA elections since women were allowed to have a vote.
So Trump does not have Women nor Latinos nor Blacks
The one worry and one exceptions ends up Hillary. FBI is currently forced to nit pick those emails looking for something anything. They have no choice because the public at large will do the research to find something anything if the FBI fails to. One cannot have one more Kennedy assignation question about cover ups.
If FBI were to find something Anything - Then Trump ends up by default with victory - Its as simple as that.
> The establishment (and it's supporters) really need to research effective propaganda because what you have now is not working
I am not disagreeing with you. Its is more than possible because its occurred in the past. Trump calls it a movement and a movement it is. I call it a Bowel Movement but as you said meme fails.
I am not worried with of course one exception - Trumps white underEducated which includes a few million new gun toting white racists and similar ilk - When matched with that which caused Romney to fail - The lack of Latino and black votes. Republican party spent all that money to figure out why they lost and one of two key areas were the Latinos and of course the minor problem of Romney putting down the Poor and middle class At least he was not mean about the put down.
Trump currently with the
> with of course one exception
More Women in the USA vote then Men and Trump has MORE WOMEN who despise him than any past candidate in the history of USA elections since women were allowed to have a vote.
So Trump does not have Women nor Latinos nor Blacks
The one worry and one exceptions ends up Hillary. FBI is currently forced to nit pick those emails looking for something anything. They have no choice because the public at large will do the research to find something anything if the FBI fails to. One cannot have one more Kennedy assignation question about cover ups.
If FBI were to find something Anything - Then Trump ends up by default with victory - Its as simple as that.
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 48 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,755
It's the best thing ever. Some upset is expected but once the dust settles things will work out. The UK is becoming uncucked but we still have work to do
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,758
@previous (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
Answer me one question. If this doesn't work out and the UK is worse off, who are you going to blame?
@695,746 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
He got the best he could from the negotiations. But at least he got something.
Meanwhile, the Leave campaigners are already doubling back on their promises. They can only offer empty reassurances that things will work out.
@695,737 (Metæ)
I'm not sure that was possible, frankly. Cameron couldn't get some ironclad guarantee against immigration, and that's literally all these people were concerned about.
Answer me one question. If this doesn't work out and the UK is worse off, who are you going to blame?
@695,746 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
He got the best he could from the negotiations. But at least he got something.
Meanwhile, the Leave campaigners are already doubling back on their promises. They can only offer empty reassurances that things will work out.
@695,737 (Metæ)
I'm not sure that was possible, frankly. Cameron couldn't get some ironclad guarantee against immigration, and that's literally all these people were concerned about.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,759
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,760
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
What, do you think he held back? It was entirely in his interests to get the best deal possible.
What, do you think he held back? It was entirely in his interests to get the best deal possible.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,761
Syntax replied with this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,763
@695,755 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
Pound to dollar exchange rate at lowest level for more than 30 years after Brexit
Work out is you pray that pound rises to back what it was worth. And pray to Gods you do not believe in that it does not go down any more
What you cannot imagine doing is praying that the Pound ends up worth more than it was the day b4 vote of Brexit
Pound to dollar exchange rate at lowest level for more than 30 years after Brexit
Work out is you pray that pound rises to back what it was worth. And pray to Gods you do not believe in that it does not go down any more
What you cannot imagine doing is praying that the Pound ends up worth more than it was the day b4 vote of Brexit
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 0 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,764
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 19 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #695,770
I'm very glad we left. Hopefully many other countries will realize what the EU is really about and leave too.