Topic: How can guilt be real if our blame isn't real
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E started this discussion 10 years ago #52,803
The difference between north and south Korea is big. It shows just how influential governments can be, like through violence, policy and etc......
With all these things influencing us, is it rational to blame ourselves fully for our actions?
With all these things influencing us, is it rational to blame ourselves fully for our actions?
kook !!2HY00OZrM joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #689,751
What do you mean?
hamfist !0Ynig1RSDc joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,752
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 45 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,753
> is it rational to blame ourselves fully for our actions?
No, you should lay the blame on others whenever possible. Thinking you should take any responsibility for your actions is stupid crazypants.
No, you should lay the blame on others whenever possible. Thinking you should take any responsibility for your actions is stupid crazypants.
bhutam joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,756
Jfc
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,758
@689,751 (kook !!2HY00OZrM)
I'm saying that maybe always, our own actions and circumstances are not entirely of our own doing. That always it's a result of the cards you've been dealt.
I'm saying that maybe always, our own actions and circumstances are not entirely of our own doing. That always it's a result of the cards you've been dealt.
Maddy is !grate/DTHM joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,759
@previous (D-g !jJEom8Ii3E)
So you're saying, if some rich dude goes out and cheats on his wife, it's because he has a nice home and lots of money?
So you're saying, if some rich dude goes out and cheats on his wife, it's because he has a nice home and lots of money?
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,760
@previous (Maddy is !grate/DTHM)
I don't know the person, I wouldn't really know why. But what I'm saying is that to blame him isn't entirely correct.
It's like blaming a North korean for being poor, sure maybe this north Korean spends his money unwisely but at the same time, simply living in North Korea is a explanation in itself.
I know it's difficult to view our own nations like north Korea, but even though we are fortunate to have better rulers, our rulers still make decisions and all of those decisions influence us.
I don't know the person, I wouldn't really know why. But what I'm saying is that to blame him isn't entirely correct.
It's like blaming a North korean for being poor, sure maybe this north Korean spends his money unwisely but at the same time, simply living in North Korea is a explanation in itself.
I know it's difficult to view our own nations like north Korea, but even though we are fortunate to have better rulers, our rulers still make decisions and all of those decisions influence us.
Maddy is !grate/DTHM replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,761
@previous (D-g !jJEom8Ii3E)
Being rich is apart of the hand he's dealt. So by your logic it had at least something to do with it.
Is the hand your dealt partially responsible for your actions, or not? Which is it? You can't have it both ways, Mr.Anderson.
Being rich is apart of the hand he's dealt. So by your logic it had at least something to do with it.
Is the hand your dealt partially responsible for your actions, or not? Which is it? You can't have it both ways, Mr.Anderson.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,762
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,763
@689,761 (Maddy is !grate/DTHM)
Perhaps the lifestyle afforded to him by virtue of his richness caused it by allowing him access to social circles where this kind of thing is normalized and expected.
Maybe that particular social circle was something a little more... sinister?
Perhaps the lifestyle afforded to him by virtue of his richness caused it by allowing him access to social circles where this kind of thing is normalized and expected.
Maybe that particular social circle was something a little more... sinister?
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,765
Maddy is !grate/DTHM replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,766
@689,763 (H)
But people like the ones you describe exist in every financial bracket. A poor man might just as easily meet someone, who encourages him to cheat on his wife.
Either way, it could have been avoided by simply choosing not to cheat on his wife, despite the opinions of others.
But people like the ones you describe exist in every financial bracket. A poor man might just as easily meet someone, who encourages him to cheat on his wife.
Either way, it could have been avoided by simply choosing not to cheat on his wife, despite the opinions of others.
D-g !jJEom8Ii3E (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #689,767
@previous (Maddy is !grate/DTHM)
But the north/south Korean example shows the influence of other factors when it comes to decision making.
But the north/south Korean example shows the influence of other factors when it comes to decision making.
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #689,768
kook !!2HY00OZrM replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #689,773
@689,760 (D-g !jJEom8Ii3E)
I'm pretty sure that no one blames a North Korean for being poor. They blame their government
I'm pretty sure that no one blames a North Korean for being poor. They blame their government
Maddy is !grate/DTHM replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #689,780
@689,768 (H)
The point is you always have the choice not to do something, so you should be held accountable if you do wrong.
The point is you always have the choice not to do something, so you should be held accountable if you do wrong.
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 7 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #689,882
Metæ joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #689,886
@689,760 (D-g !jJEom8Ii3E)
I guess you could look at something closer to home with the fall of the Berlin wall. Apparently East Germany is still a lot poorer today despite 26 years of having the same government as West Germany. I think the big takeaway here is that government ownership of the means of production just doesn't work.
I guess you could look at something closer to home with the fall of the Berlin wall. Apparently East Germany is still a lot poorer today despite 26 years of having the same government as West Germany. I think the big takeaway here is that government ownership of the means of production just doesn't work.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #689,888
@previous (Metæ)
I don't follow your argument.
Are the means of production here labour or machines?
Your stat is interesting enough to warrant questioning but maybe the economic divide is indeed as great as it was. I wouldn't know.
Surely though, and economics aside; nobody but extreme left/right wingers of Germany would want to rebuild that wall.
I don't follow your argument.
Are the means of production here labour or machines?
Your stat is interesting enough to warrant questioning but maybe the economic divide is indeed as great as it was. I wouldn't know.
Surely though, and economics aside; nobody but extreme left/right wingers of Germany would want to rebuild that wall.
Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 6 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #689,920
@689,886 (Metæ)
The communist system systematically stripped the wealth from East Germany to finance its police, military, and construction projects. It takes a long time for that money to trickle back in without heavy investment.
The communist system systematically stripped the wealth from East Germany to finance its police, military, and construction projects. It takes a long time for that money to trickle back in without heavy investment.
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