Topic: It's really hard to protect women and children from creepy dudes
Anonymous A started this discussion 10 years ago #52,699
There are men who will take advantage of the law if they can. Giving some piece of shit creepy male predator a loop hole where he is allowed to use a bathroom with a 10 year old girl in it, under sanction of the law, is not okay. This bathroom issue has nothing to do with transgenders. I bet if you looked at the stats of who actually uses public toilets, and what percentage of them are transgender you would wonder why this is even up for debate.The percentage of creeps who just want to jerk off where they are not supposed to would far outweigh the percentage of transgenders using toilets. I would rather have society protected from creeps than accommodate any vocal minority.
This is not about trannys at all, it's about creeps who don't even have to wear a dress or a wig and can merely claim to identify as something, to gain access to a place that they are not allowed and they would otherwise get arrested if they went there.
I still want women and children protected, and I still want creeps arrested when they go to the womens toilet. I don't think that a tiny percentage of the population should change this, because their lifestyle or mental issues or medical procedures give them some special privilege that opens up a fucking loop hole that was closed hundreds of years ago when we all, as a society, realized that it is a good idea to separate the toilets because of creepy dudes.
Thanks
r04r joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later[^] [v] #688,366
i thought we agreed we were bored of this subject
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #688,367
r04r replied with this 10 years ago, 56 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #688,368
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #688,371
@previous (r04r)
I would vote for Dirk Poot and the Dutch Pirate Party. My decision is based purely on their socioeconomic policies and not, in fact, for any other reason. Thanks
I would vote for Dirk Poot and the Dutch Pirate Party. My decision is based purely on their socioeconomic policies and not, in fact, for any other reason. Thanks
r04r replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #688,374
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #688,377
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 6 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #688,378
@688,368 (r04r)Your party system. I could never understand why people never end up a little polarized. Seems such a mishmash. Nor does it make any sense to me to call the Princess of Orange...Orange, because she is blond. Plus in this day and age, why does anyone need Kings and Queens.
I suppose Pomp and Circumstance has its place. Just seems expensive without a pay back. In England the monarchy has a Disney land type of value for tourism.
However it is truly a lovely country. Memories of a train ride from Frankfurt to Amsterdam. Even a Windmill along the way.
Now in the USA, we have currently total nonsense. It used to be a choice between the Devil you know vs the Devil you don't know aka the lesser of the two evils. Now it chaos rains.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #688,379
@OP
Fecal fetish. Grow up.
Fecal fetish. Grow up.
Maddy !kCITGirlXc joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,394
@OP
Most transwomen have been using the women's facilities unnoticed for years. So, Idk why all of a sudden it's a major issue. I'm also one of those transwomen who can use the restroom unnoticed though.
Most transwomen have been using the women's facilities unnoticed for years. So, Idk why all of a sudden it's a major issue. I'm also one of those transwomen who can use the restroom unnoticed though.
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,409
@688,367 (A)
Your USAmericanism is showing. Try to be more inclusive of people whom reside in other countries. Thanks.
Your USAmericanism is showing. Try to be more inclusive of people whom reside in other countries. Thanks.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 24 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,414
Yeah because that's the only thing that's been stopping rapists this whole time, now there's a loophole it's so dangerous
OP maybe you should stop focusing on imaginary bathroom rapists and try doing something about all the people raping outside the bathroom.
OP maybe you should stop focusing on imaginary bathroom rapists and try doing something about all the people raping outside the bathroom.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,436
@previous (G)
Rape fetish much?
Creeps aren't always rapists, they are guys who get their thrills from weird sexual perversions, exposing themselves, etc.
Rape fetish much?
Creeps aren't always rapists, they are guys who get their thrills from weird sexual perversions, exposing themselves, etc.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 55 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,445
oh no, a room with a mirror, sinks and several locked doors and toilets clogged with tampons. truly a dangerous place
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 40 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,458
I don't think girls want to talke with ugly men who wear makeup and a dress so that's not a good way to meet chicks
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,562
@688,445 (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
> oh no, a room with a mirror, sinks and several locked doors and toilets clogged with tampons. truly a dangerous place
It is when creeps are legally allowed access to them. Jesus, if you even take a piss near a playground you are considered to be exposing yourself to kids and labeled a sex offender.
> oh no, a room with a mirror, sinks and several locked doors and toilets clogged with tampons. truly a dangerous place
It is when creeps are legally allowed access to them. Jesus, if you even take a piss near a playground you are considered to be exposing yourself to kids and labeled a sex offender.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 3 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,602
@previous (H)
Predators only prey on little girls, right? Especially crossdressers, who tend to be homosexual.
Predators only prey on little girls, right? Especially crossdressers, who tend to be homosexual.
introman !/3ZwFHfJFI joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 48 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,603
Lazy gender-confused bait thread/ 10
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kook !!2HY00OZrM joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,604
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,605
@688,603 (introman !/3ZwFHfJFI)
Hang about, I thought that your trolling style was gender bait?
Also, how are the Kiwis taking Autphag's supposed incarceration?
Hang about, I thought that your trolling style was gender bait?
Also, how are the Kiwis taking Autphag's supposed incarceration?
Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #688,606
@OP
Everything you said is wrong. It is like you live in a bizarro world. These two articles have enough sources in them to debunk every single part of your argument with actual facts and not just mere conjecture. You are wrong and you should feel bad for feeling such a way. You are talking about discriminating against an entire group of Americans just because you are scared because some freak might end up trying to enter the womens restroom under false pretenses. That does not mean that over 200,000 people should be alienated and denied the right to use what facilities makes them comfortable. Maybe instead of just considering everyone who gets their hands on illegally acquired hormones like Chris-chan as transgender, That title should be reserved for those who actually have a diagnosis of Gender Dyphoria. Maybe states should make it actually possible to change the markers on ones DL and birth certificate when ones claim has been verified by multiple medical professionals as being a woman in a mans body or vis-versa.
Everything you said is wrong. It is like you live in a bizarro world. These two articles have enough sources in them to debunk every single part of your argument with actual facts and not just mere conjecture. You are wrong and you should feel bad for feeling such a way. You are talking about discriminating against an entire group of Americans just because you are scared because some freak might end up trying to enter the womens restroom under false pretenses. That does not mean that over 200,000 people should be alienated and denied the right to use what facilities makes them comfortable. Maybe instead of just considering everyone who gets their hands on illegally acquired hormones like Chris-chan as transgender, That title should be reserved for those who actually have a diagnosis of Gender Dyphoria. Maybe states should make it actually possible to change the markers on ones DL and birth certificate when ones claim has been verified by multiple medical professionals as being a woman in a mans body or vis-versa.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,612
@previous (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
> Most transwomen have been using the women's facilities unnoticed for years.
Do you think that there are more than 200,000 trannys and less than 200,000 creeps in USAmerica, and that we have been segregating our toilets unfairly for hundreds of years? What is the ratio of normal transgenders using the toilets VS perverted creeps allowed to use them that is a satisfying number?
I think for every legitimate tranny, there should be at least 0.3 perverted dudes who don't need to wear a dress, or a wig, but merely claim to feel like a woman be allowed into public restrooms. That's like a safety factor of 3.
Also, I do like the way that you ignore transgender mtf claims of being transgender as complete bullshit, in favor of the mtf that are legally taking hormones and totally do not include those that have somehow acquired the hormones and are actively participating in the community. That is a grate definition to make, and I wholeheartedly support this "legitimate" transgender definition. It's like a white supremacist version of "pure white" trannys, and I can totally agree with that. Thanks
> Most transwomen have been using the women's facilities unnoticed for years.
Do you think that there are more than 200,000 trannys and less than 200,000 creeps in USAmerica, and that we have been segregating our toilets unfairly for hundreds of years? What is the ratio of normal transgenders using the toilets VS perverted creeps allowed to use them that is a satisfying number?
I think for every legitimate tranny, there should be at least 0.3 perverted dudes who don't need to wear a dress, or a wig, but merely claim to feel like a woman be allowed into public restrooms. That's like a safety factor of 3.
Also, I do like the way that you ignore transgender mtf claims of being transgender as complete bullshit, in favor of the mtf that are legally taking hormones and totally do not include those that have somehow acquired the hormones and are actively participating in the community. That is a grate definition to make, and I wholeheartedly support this "legitimate" transgender definition. It's like a white supremacist version of "pure white" trannys, and I can totally agree with that. Thanks
Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo replied with this 10 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,640
@previous (A)
The data simply does not support your argument. It is fear mongering to discriminate against an entire class of people. I admit, there are plenty of freaks and perverts out there but they are not going out and buying wigs to try and do this "legally" They just simply do it and install their little cameras in toilets. Putting laws in place that discriminate against an entire class of people just because there are freaks out there who are going to do this anyways is asinine. It is going to happen regardless of whether there are bathroom laws or not. Criminals by definition break the law.
You are making up figures off the top of your head and "guesstimating" what amount of perverts there are. It is ridiculous. Use cold hard data or don't use numbers at all. None of the numbers are on your side. Even experts on sexual assault agree this is bullshit. There simply have been no sexual assaults where gender identity was faked in order to commit a crime. It simply does not happen. Why go through all the trouble? You are getting arrested anyways. Over the 35 years that NDO's have been protecting transgender people and research has been compiled, there has only been ONE CASE of gender identity being used to commit a sexual assault and that was in Canada. Experts have been trying to reduce the amount of rapes occurring here in the United StatesNo peer reviewed research shows that NDO's are the reason women are sexually assaulted. Period.
In fact it is far more likely that someone who is transgender is going to be harassed or assaulted for using the bathroom that matches their Gender Identity. Or conversely because a cis-gendered woman doesn't look "womanly" enough. Such was the case in a Detroit restaurant. Same thing happened in New York too.
Treating transgender people like they are all monsters and freaks and don't deserve the same rights and freedoms you enjoy increases the risk of suicide dramatically. and causes savage beatings of transgender people. Violence against transgender people is at record levels. And you propose legalizing dicrimination against them because it makes you uncomfortable to use the bathroom with someone who was born a male and presents as a female. You are sick. One in two transgender people have been sexually assaulted. People like you are the reason transgender people are so terrified of using the bathroom that the nearly die from holding in their urine for so long. Most transgender students face bullying and harassment constantly. 1/3 have been physically assaulted and you propose to make discriminating against them legal. Are you insane?
All in all you are part of the problem and the reason people like me are terrified to transition. We just want to be happy.
How I personally feel about transgender people is irrelevant. Walking around saying "Hey I am transgender! No I don't need hormones to feel right" is ludicrous. This is a very long, very difficult road and it should not be walked lightly. I am saying they should not be considered transgender until a doctor or therapist makes that diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria. Sure there are kids who might be transgender like I was and their parents should take them to a therapist and let them talk about how they feel. I understand there are select cases where someone cannot acquire hormones and if they do their proper research and are willing to take that risk of medications that come from unknown sources that is their choice to make. Too many people are jumping on this bandwagon because hormones are easy to acquire and it is terrifying. 17beta-Estradiol can cause deep vein thrombosis in patients who abuse it. Many of the changes are permanent. Don't even get me started on testosterone and how it affects people. You only need to be around a football player with roid rage to figure that one out. This is not a joke or something to claim because someone thinks they might be transgender and gets a bunch of hormones from India. It is not hard to be diagnosed with GD if you have a real case of it. Why is it a problem for someone to go to the doctor and get their prescriptions legitimately where they know what the source is and they are legitimate medications? I do not understand. The only reason a doctor or therapist would not lightly make that diagnosis is because the PT has some mental illness on top of wanting hormones.
I love how you compare me wanting people to actually do this the right way talking with professionals and doing this under medical supervision so they have the proper testing they need to make sure they are not at risk of killing themselves to white supremacists. It is as laughable as it is sad that you feel this way, you simply do not understand the first part of being transgender.
The data simply does not support your argument. It is fear mongering to discriminate against an entire class of people. I admit, there are plenty of freaks and perverts out there but they are not going out and buying wigs to try and do this "legally" They just simply do it and install their little cameras in toilets. Putting laws in place that discriminate against an entire class of people just because there are freaks out there who are going to do this anyways is asinine. It is going to happen regardless of whether there are bathroom laws or not. Criminals by definition break the law.
You are making up figures off the top of your head and "guesstimating" what amount of perverts there are. It is ridiculous. Use cold hard data or don't use numbers at all. None of the numbers are on your side. Even experts on sexual assault agree this is bullshit. There simply have been no sexual assaults where gender identity was faked in order to commit a crime. It simply does not happen. Why go through all the trouble? You are getting arrested anyways. Over the 35 years that NDO's have been protecting transgender people and research has been compiled, there has only been ONE CASE of gender identity being used to commit a sexual assault and that was in Canada. Experts have been trying to reduce the amount of rapes occurring here in the United StatesNo peer reviewed research shows that NDO's are the reason women are sexually assaulted. Period.
In fact it is far more likely that someone who is transgender is going to be harassed or assaulted for using the bathroom that matches their Gender Identity. Or conversely because a cis-gendered woman doesn't look "womanly" enough. Such was the case in a Detroit restaurant. Same thing happened in New York too.
Treating transgender people like they are all monsters and freaks and don't deserve the same rights and freedoms you enjoy increases the risk of suicide dramatically. and causes savage beatings of transgender people. Violence against transgender people is at record levels. And you propose legalizing dicrimination against them because it makes you uncomfortable to use the bathroom with someone who was born a male and presents as a female. You are sick. One in two transgender people have been sexually assaulted. People like you are the reason transgender people are so terrified of using the bathroom that the nearly die from holding in their urine for so long. Most transgender students face bullying and harassment constantly. 1/3 have been physically assaulted and you propose to make discriminating against them legal. Are you insane?
All in all you are part of the problem and the reason people like me are terrified to transition. We just want to be happy.
How I personally feel about transgender people is irrelevant. Walking around saying "Hey I am transgender! No I don't need hormones to feel right" is ludicrous. This is a very long, very difficult road and it should not be walked lightly. I am saying they should not be considered transgender until a doctor or therapist makes that diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria. Sure there are kids who might be transgender like I was and their parents should take them to a therapist and let them talk about how they feel. I understand there are select cases where someone cannot acquire hormones and if they do their proper research and are willing to take that risk of medications that come from unknown sources that is their choice to make. Too many people are jumping on this bandwagon because hormones are easy to acquire and it is terrifying. 17beta-Estradiol can cause deep vein thrombosis in patients who abuse it. Many of the changes are permanent. Don't even get me started on testosterone and how it affects people. You only need to be around a football player with roid rage to figure that one out. This is not a joke or something to claim because someone thinks they might be transgender and gets a bunch of hormones from India. It is not hard to be diagnosed with GD if you have a real case of it. Why is it a problem for someone to go to the doctor and get their prescriptions legitimately where they know what the source is and they are legitimate medications? I do not understand. The only reason a doctor or therapist would not lightly make that diagnosis is because the PT has some mental illness on top of wanting hormones.
I love how you compare me wanting people to actually do this the right way talking with professionals and doing this under medical supervision so they have the proper testing they need to make sure they are not at risk of killing themselves to white supremacists. It is as laughable as it is sad that you feel this way, you simply do not understand the first part of being transgender.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,648
Anonymous G replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,649
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,650
Don't little boys deserve protection too?
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw double-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,652
@688,640 (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
LOL some doctors/clinics diagnose "endocrine disorder" instead for insurance reasons.
LOL some doctors/clinics diagnose "endocrine disorder" instead for insurance reasons.
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,710
@688,648 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
The point is, you don't need to be transgender or taking hormones or anything. By feeling like a woman creeps are allowed into the toilets. Men not being allowed in regardless of what they identify as will protect more people than opening up the toilets as a place for creeps to creep.
It has nothing to do with banning transgenders and everything to do with keeping the same rules society has agreed on as a whole, and keeping the creeps out. A small minority of non passing trans will be slightly disadvantaged.
Do you need a peer reviewed study of common sense to understand this point?
The point is, you don't need to be transgender or taking hormones or anything. By feeling like a woman creeps are allowed into the toilets. Men not being allowed in regardless of what they identify as will protect more people than opening up the toilets as a place for creeps to creep.
It has nothing to do with banning transgenders and everything to do with keeping the same rules society has agreed on as a whole, and keeping the creeps out. A small minority of non passing trans will be slightly disadvantaged.
Do you need a peer reviewed study of common sense to understand this point?
RWBY Rhunarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,715
@previous (H)
Nexus already countered this with stats and expert opinions, and she did in like the first two paragraphs.
Goddamn. The anti-trans posters on here fall apart like wet cardboard as soon as stats or research come into play.
Nexus already countered this with stats and expert opinions, and she did in like the first two paragraphs.
Goddamn. The anti-trans posters on here fall apart like wet cardboard as soon as stats or research come into play.
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Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,753
@688,648 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I bring science to my arguments. I don't play around with bullshit made up statistics. I understand OP's argument, I do. If states actually make it possible to change my documentation to fit my Gender Identity then I can understand these laws, but when states make these laws and then make it impossible to change your documentation then it becomes obvious that these laws are trying to make discrimination against transgender people legal.
@688,649 (G)
If you care about transgender issues at all you will. These laws affect you to my friend. What happens when some dickhead thinks that you don't look like the gender you were born as and throws you out of their place of business? This is making it legal to discriminate against people just because of how they look. It is sad and it is terrifying. People need to piss and shit and deserve to be able to do so if in a public place without fear of assault or rape because they are in the "wrong" bathroom. Imagine a transman going into the womens bathroom with a beard and shit trying to explain to girls in the restroom that he has a vagina and has no choice? Same thing with transwomam. We just want to piss in peace.
@688,652 (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
I understand that, They are still under medical supervision however. I am saying people shouldn't be considered transgender until a doctor or other medical/psychological professional makes that diagnosis, regardless of however the GP or Endo has to word the document to get insurance to pay for the hormones. I have a serious problem with people transitioning getting there drugs from overseas sources possibly not understanding the full weight of the choice they are making. Not understanding the full weight of what hormones will do to them, and not understanding that estrogen alone will not ever achieve the results they desire. This is a complex thing and it requires doctors, period.
@688,710 (H)
I understand that argument. I understand that it is possible creeps may do this. I am saying that there is literally one case of this actually happening and that was in Canada. I am saying that states are making it impossible to change ones gender on birth certificates and other documents. Thereby making it impossible for people like me to use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in. Even though some states state they will change documents if you read forums online you will find red states will drag their feet and refuse to for some reason or other. We are in between a rock and a hard place. What do you expect us to do? How do you expect us to be treated? Should we be discriminated against because you feel uncomfortable? You are literally suggesting we be treated like second class citizens because someone might take advantage of this and use the womens restroom and even then that will end up getting them arrested. How would that make you feel to be treated that way because in all honesty it makes me feel terrified that you are proposing legalized discrimination.
The data simply does not back up your argument at all. You say "slightly disadvantaged" when in reality that means those trans people will be subject to assaults and rapes in those bathrooms because some people hate us and will use that as an excuse. You are making it easier for the people who hate us to pick out their targets. There simply aren't cases of men dressing up as women to rape women in bathrooms, it just doesn't occur and you refuse to see that. In reality, I don't think people like you ever will see that.
I bring science to my arguments. I don't play around with bullshit made up statistics. I understand OP's argument, I do. If states actually make it possible to change my documentation to fit my Gender Identity then I can understand these laws, but when states make these laws and then make it impossible to change your documentation then it becomes obvious that these laws are trying to make discrimination against transgender people legal.
@688,649 (G)
If you care about transgender issues at all you will. These laws affect you to my friend. What happens when some dickhead thinks that you don't look like the gender you were born as and throws you out of their place of business? This is making it legal to discriminate against people just because of how they look. It is sad and it is terrifying. People need to piss and shit and deserve to be able to do so if in a public place without fear of assault or rape because they are in the "wrong" bathroom. Imagine a transman going into the womens bathroom with a beard and shit trying to explain to girls in the restroom that he has a vagina and has no choice? Same thing with transwomam. We just want to piss in peace.
@688,652 (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
I understand that, They are still under medical supervision however. I am saying people shouldn't be considered transgender until a doctor or other medical/psychological professional makes that diagnosis, regardless of however the GP or Endo has to word the document to get insurance to pay for the hormones. I have a serious problem with people transitioning getting there drugs from overseas sources possibly not understanding the full weight of the choice they are making. Not understanding the full weight of what hormones will do to them, and not understanding that estrogen alone will not ever achieve the results they desire. This is a complex thing and it requires doctors, period.
@688,710 (H)
I understand that argument. I understand that it is possible creeps may do this. I am saying that there is literally one case of this actually happening and that was in Canada. I am saying that states are making it impossible to change ones gender on birth certificates and other documents. Thereby making it impossible for people like me to use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in. Even though some states state they will change documents if you read forums online you will find red states will drag their feet and refuse to for some reason or other. We are in between a rock and a hard place. What do you expect us to do? How do you expect us to be treated? Should we be discriminated against because you feel uncomfortable? You are literally suggesting we be treated like second class citizens because someone might take advantage of this and use the womens restroom and even then that will end up getting them arrested. How would that make you feel to be treated that way because in all honesty it makes me feel terrified that you are proposing legalized discrimination.
The data simply does not back up your argument at all. You say "slightly disadvantaged" when in reality that means those trans people will be subject to assaults and rapes in those bathrooms because some people hate us and will use that as an excuse. You are making it easier for the people who hate us to pick out their targets. There simply aren't cases of men dressing up as women to rape women in bathrooms, it just doesn't occur and you refuse to see that. In reality, I don't think people like you ever will see that.
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,801
@previous (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
> Bawwwww, I'm a special snowflake and the world should change to suit me
> Different opinions are transphobic
Shut up
> Bawwwww, I'm a special snowflake and the world should change to suit me
> Different opinions are transphobic
Shut up
kook !!2HY00OZrM replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,807
@688,753 (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
There are cases of men dressing as women to perform a variety of predatory behavior in restrooms.
There are cases of men dressing as women to perform a variety of predatory behavior in restrooms.
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Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,809
@688,801 (H)
KL is right, you people fall apart like wet cardboard when someone brings in actual facts and figures to counter your insanity.
The world is not changing, it is exactly the same as it was before. You want it to change because people are changing their bodies and you are uncomfortable. You want people to be discriminated against because they do not fit your world view of what people should be doing. Guess what? That is transphobia, right there. There is no evidence at all that any of the things you claim happen with any frequency. It simply does not happen. When men do go into these bathrooms, they just go in as themselves. People have no reason to dress up like a woman and go through this elaborate process when they can just walk in and do what they were going to do anyways. It isn't like these doors are guarded or even locked. Why should an entire class of people be discriminated against when this isn't even a problem to begin with? Just a hypothetical scenario in your head that might happen.
All of the experts think you are full of shit, all of the researchers think you are full of shit. Guess what dude? You are full of shit.
KL is right, you people fall apart like wet cardboard when someone brings in actual facts and figures to counter your insanity.
The world is not changing, it is exactly the same as it was before. You want it to change because people are changing their bodies and you are uncomfortable. You want people to be discriminated against because they do not fit your world view of what people should be doing. Guess what? That is transphobia, right there. There is no evidence at all that any of the things you claim happen with any frequency. It simply does not happen. When men do go into these bathrooms, they just go in as themselves. People have no reason to dress up like a woman and go through this elaborate process when they can just walk in and do what they were going to do anyways. It isn't like these doors are guarded or even locked. Why should an entire class of people be discriminated against when this isn't even a problem to begin with? Just a hypothetical scenario in your head that might happen.
All of the experts think you are full of shit, all of the researchers think you are full of shit. Guess what dude? You are full of shit.
Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo double-posted this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,811
@688,807 (kook !!2HY00OZrM)
It doesn't happen with any regular frequency kook. Men do not dress up as women to commit sexual assault in bathrooms. They just walk in and do it in the cases where it has occurred.
It doesn't happen with any regular frequency kook. Men do not dress up as women to commit sexual assault in bathrooms. They just walk in and do it in the cases where it has occurred.
kook !!2HY00OZrM replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,813
@previous (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
I've seen all of those articles and its not like they collect all of the instances for observation
I've seen all of those articles and its not like they collect all of the instances for observation
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,814
@688,809 (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
I still don't want dudes in the ladies toilets, with the I'm a lady on the inside excuse. So dudes that really do feel like ladies on the inside will have to deal with it the same way they have already.
No dudes in the wrong toilets. I will not change my mind until you cut off your penis.
I still don't want dudes in the ladies toilets, with the I'm a lady on the inside excuse. So dudes that really do feel like ladies on the inside will have to deal with it the same way they have already.
No dudes in the wrong toilets. I will not change my mind until you cut off your penis.
kook !!2HY00OZrM replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,815
Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,824
@688,813 (kook !!2HY00OZrM)
They are researchers kook. This is their job to collect information about this. Claiming this happens and then turning around and claiming that the research doesn't matter is asinine kook. NDO's simply aren't used by men in the way that the right has been claiming. There have been so few cases of it they simply do not register. I can only find one actual case of an NDO being abused and that was in Canada.
@688,814 (H)
> > Different opinions are transphobic
> Shut up
The truth comes out. You are transphobic. When these people are taking hormones and going to doctors and therapists they are ladies. They are women and deserve to be treated as women. The same goes for transmen. They are dudes and deserve the same respect as dudes. If you subject your body to a second puberty just to feel right and look right you are transgender. These people were using the toilets that aligned with their Gender Identity for years and this wasn't ever an issue. They are dealing with it by using the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity and the Federal Government is going to continue to make sure that these people are not discriminated against. Even though some states will craft this legislation the Supreme Court is going to end up ruling that these laws violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act and will not be allowed to go into effect. The wheels are already in motion.
So regardless of how you feel, regardless of how you think we should be treated. We will ultimately end up being treated just like every other american and afforded the same rights that you enjoy. If you do not like it, move to Iran.
They are researchers kook. This is their job to collect information about this. Claiming this happens and then turning around and claiming that the research doesn't matter is asinine kook. NDO's simply aren't used by men in the way that the right has been claiming. There have been so few cases of it they simply do not register. I can only find one actual case of an NDO being abused and that was in Canada.
@688,814 (H)
> > Different opinions are transphobic
> Shut up
The truth comes out. You are transphobic. When these people are taking hormones and going to doctors and therapists they are ladies. They are women and deserve to be treated as women. The same goes for transmen. They are dudes and deserve the same respect as dudes. If you subject your body to a second puberty just to feel right and look right you are transgender. These people were using the toilets that aligned with their Gender Identity for years and this wasn't ever an issue. They are dealing with it by using the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity and the Federal Government is going to continue to make sure that these people are not discriminated against. Even though some states will craft this legislation the Supreme Court is going to end up ruling that these laws violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act and will not be allowed to go into effect. The wheels are already in motion.
So regardless of how you feel, regardless of how you think we should be treated. We will ultimately end up being treated just like every other american and afforded the same rights that you enjoy. If you do not like it, move to Iran.
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kook !!2HY00OZrM replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,826
@previous (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
They don't list anything that is convincing to me. I have seen such reports and I know what males are willing to do to get off.
They don't list anything that is convincing to me. I have seen such reports and I know what males are willing to do to get off.
Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,829
@previous (kook !!2HY00OZrM)
I agree. Men do shitty things to get off. I understand that. They however do not dress up as women, go into bathrooms and commit sexual assaults. They skip the dressing as a woman part and just go straight to committing the sexual assault. It is sad and disgusting, but it is true. Not believing the facts presented in front of you is your problem, kook. It doesn't make it any less true.
I agree. Men do shitty things to get off. I understand that. They however do not dress up as women, go into bathrooms and commit sexual assaults. They skip the dressing as a woman part and just go straight to committing the sexual assault. It is sad and disgusting, but it is true. Not believing the facts presented in front of you is your problem, kook. It doesn't make it any less true.
kook !!2HY00OZrM replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,832
Anonymous H replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #688,870
@previous (kook !!2HY00OZrM)
Nexi likes to cherry pick facts that suit his transgender agenda, and killer lettuce's common sense has not yet been peer reviewed and published to the open internet.
Common sense is transphobic.
It's as if racial bathrooms were segregated and we need laws so Rachael Dolzal and other transracials like her are not made slightly uncomfortable the occasional time she uses them. It's the same ridiculous idea.
If you look at how many women use the public toilet per year, and what percentage of them are transgender then why should everyone else have to change what they are comfortable with to accommodate these rare occurrences?
Nexi likes to cherry pick facts that suit his transgender agenda, and killer lettuce's common sense has not yet been peer reviewed and published to the open internet.
Common sense is transphobic.
It's as if racial bathrooms were segregated and we need laws so Rachael Dolzal and other transracials like her are not made slightly uncomfortable the occasional time she uses them. It's the same ridiculous idea.
If you look at how many women use the public toilet per year, and what percentage of them are transgender then why should everyone else have to change what they are comfortable with to accommodate these rare occurrences?
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #688,917
@688,753 (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
> I understand that, They are still under medical supervision however. I am saying people shouldn't be considered transgender until a doctor or other medical/psychological professional makes that diagnosis, regardless of however the GP or Endo has to word the document to get insurance to pay for the hormones. I have a serious problem with people transitioning getting there drugs from overseas sources possibly not understanding the full weight of the choice they are making. Not understanding the full weight of what hormones will do to them, and not understanding that estrogen alone will not ever achieve the results they desire. This is a complex thing and it requires doctors, period.
I'm pretty sure just about any transgirl would skip self-medding if there was always an accepting doctor within reach. But in many countries and states, you're stuck with judgemental assholes who make you jump through many many hoops and months of crossdressing in public while sweating like a man, which is a horrible feeling and I hope none should have to know how it feels. Yes, it should be done under doctor SUPERVISION, but it shouldn't have to be something you have to lie and bend yourself to get.
> I understand that, They are still under medical supervision however. I am saying people shouldn't be considered transgender until a doctor or other medical/psychological professional makes that diagnosis, regardless of however the GP or Endo has to word the document to get insurance to pay for the hormones. I have a serious problem with people transitioning getting there drugs from overseas sources possibly not understanding the full weight of the choice they are making. Not understanding the full weight of what hormones will do to them, and not understanding that estrogen alone will not ever achieve the results they desire. This is a complex thing and it requires doctors, period.
I'm pretty sure just about any transgirl would skip self-medding if there was always an accepting doctor within reach. But in many countries and states, you're stuck with judgemental assholes who make you jump through many many hoops and months of crossdressing in public while sweating like a man, which is a horrible feeling and I hope none should have to know how it feels. Yes, it should be done under doctor SUPERVISION, but it shouldn't have to be something you have to lie and bend yourself to get.
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Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo replied with this 10 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #688,956
@previous (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
There are some transgirls who are simply afraid of going to a doctor and telling them they are trans, period. I understand there are extenuating circumstances where a transgirl actually decides to self medicate. Trust me, I have talked to a lot of them. If they do their research and have the blood tests done at a private lab like LABCORP then they are fine. I don't understand why they would make such a huge decision without talking to a therapist first however and making sure. You can find Gender Therapists everywhere, I live in one of the worst states to be transgender in and I was able to find a therapist. Sure it was hard to do and I have to drive to see her but I make the trip because I know I need a professional to help me get through this with my sanity intact. My problem lies with those who go to doctors who are known to prescribe hormones to transpeople and that doctor refusing to prescribe them for one reason or another. Usually because they have some mental issue on top of trying to get hormones. And then acquiring them from an illicit source anyways. This shit is hard man, you haven't the first idea of what it is like to go through puberty twice and unless someone is mentally prepared or has a therapist helping them through this journey it will result in de-transition or worse, suicide.
There are some transgirls who are simply afraid of going to a doctor and telling them they are trans, period. I understand there are extenuating circumstances where a transgirl actually decides to self medicate. Trust me, I have talked to a lot of them. If they do their research and have the blood tests done at a private lab like LABCORP then they are fine. I don't understand why they would make such a huge decision without talking to a therapist first however and making sure. You can find Gender Therapists everywhere, I live in one of the worst states to be transgender in and I was able to find a therapist. Sure it was hard to do and I have to drive to see her but I make the trip because I know I need a professional to help me get through this with my sanity intact. My problem lies with those who go to doctors who are known to prescribe hormones to transpeople and that doctor refusing to prescribe them for one reason or another. Usually because they have some mental issue on top of trying to get hormones. And then acquiring them from an illicit source anyways. This shit is hard man, you haven't the first idea of what it is like to go through puberty twice and unless someone is mentally prepared or has a therapist helping them through this journey it will result in de-transition or worse, suicide.
kook !!2HY00OZrM replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #689,015
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 41 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #689,048
@688,956 (Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo)
I guess, but still, some people have to do what they can to transition. What phag did was very dangerous, taking 2 grams of progesterone, 1 gram cyproterone acetate and 128mg estrogen a day.
I guess, but still, some people have to do what they can to transition. What phag did was very dangerous, taking 2 grams of progesterone, 1 gram cyproterone acetate and 128mg estrogen a day.
Green !BEERiVqJJw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #689,052
Telrav just tricked me thinking he was hurt but I knew he was a bandit or something so I was ready for his shit.
Nexi !tRAnsGiRLo replied with this 10 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #689,116
@689,048 (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
I understand that and those people truly have my deepest sympathy. I understand when someone who is trans has no other choice because of backwards ass doctors who have their head so far up their ass they cannot see anything outside of the bible. I know some personally. I see what autphag was doing was wrong. There is a good reason her doctor refused to prescribe her hormones and this is exactly why. She had very little grasp of what these do and how long it takes. It was very dangerous and stupid and that is what I want to help prevent. She could have died. More hormones do not = faster transition. We need the help of doctors to do this properly and doctors need to be educated that this is a real condition and it deserves the same level of care as any other syndrome or disorder.
Ignoring that it exists is a serious problem with Christian doctors and it needs to stop.
I understand that and those people truly have my deepest sympathy. I understand when someone who is trans has no other choice because of backwards ass doctors who have their head so far up their ass they cannot see anything outside of the bible. I know some personally. I see what autphag was doing was wrong. There is a good reason her doctor refused to prescribe her hormones and this is exactly why. She had very little grasp of what these do and how long it takes. It was very dangerous and stupid and that is what I want to help prevent. She could have died. More hormones do not = faster transition. We need the help of doctors to do this properly and doctors need to be educated that this is a real condition and it deserves the same level of care as any other syndrome or disorder.
Ignoring that it exists is a serious problem with Christian doctors and it needs to stop.