Why do you want to hurt England by voting to leave, Svet? I thought that you were patriotic?
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Green !BEERiVqJJw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 20 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^][v]#687,154
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
In the short term. In the long term our economy would improve by leaving Europe. Also I wouldn't take anything the lying bastard Camoron says seriously.
Denmark guy !jJEom8Ii3E joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^][v]#687,156
> > this is the most retarded thing i have read in a long time
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 20 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,439
@687,153 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Everything you vote for can hurt the economy even if you vote for a new government and ofc we'll take a slight hit but it's worth getting out sovereignty back. Fortune favours the bold.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,443
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Not a "slight hit". The economists largely predicted a long-term economic downturn.
The economists were also overwhelmingly pessimistic about the long-term economic impact of leaving the EU and the single market. Some 72% said that a vote to leave would most likely have a negative impact on growth for 10-20 years.
Just 4% of respondents who thought Brexit would mostly likely have a negative impact on GDP over the initial five years said it would have a positive effect over the longer term.
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,447
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Economists have been wring in the past and they'll be wrong again. They are intentionally ignoring possible pros as they are bias towards the status quo. Anyway, they can't predict how negotiations will turn out.
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw double-posted this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,448
Anyway.. you have to be a complete brainwashed fool to favour a slightly better short term economy over national sovereignty.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,449
@687,447 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw) > they are bias towards the status quo > they are bias
Well you've just convinced me!
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,450
> > they are bias towards the status quo > >they are bias > > Well you've just convinced me!
Well you don't get to vote I'm afraid
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,491
@687,447 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw) > They are intentionally ignoring possible pros
Yes, I'm sure that 528 of 600 economists failed to spot major factors which you, an electrician, can plainly see.
> Anyway, they can't predict how negotiations will turn out.
Yes they can lol. This is their field of expertise.
@687,448 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw) > You must be a brainwashed fool to favour tangible economic prosperity over vague nationalist promises
lolbud
Anyway, let's talk sovereignty.
The UK is actually quite influential within the EU. The concept of our country being complete slaves to Brussels is a bit of a Eurosceptic myth, I'm afraid.
Political scientists have tried to devise other ways to analyze EU decision-making to figure out which countries are influential. For example, one study asked officials from across the member states with which countries they most closely cooperated in EU rule-making. On this score, the U.K. stands out as the most influential: 20 of the 26 delegations cited U.K. officials as among their principal partners, reflecting the U.K.’s perceived success in securing its objectives.
Another study looked at how closely the outcomes of EU negotiations reflected the original policy positions of national governments; again the U.K. scored highly, coming out fourth, ahead of France and Germany. That may reflect the U.K.’s rigorous approach to EU legislation, which requires broad cross-government consultation to identify British negotiating objectives.
Further evidence of Britain’s influence can be seen in the current EU legislative agenda, which strongly reflects British priorities. Not only is the EU trying to do less, reducing the number of new initiatives dramatically compared with the past five years and repealing unnecessary red tape, but its focus is on deepening the single market in areas such as digital services, energy and capital markets, and seeking new trade deals with the U.S., Canada and fast- growing countries in Asia.
And this is from a UK saturated with Euroscepticism and UKIP MEPs in there dossing about. The UK could become even more influential if it put its mind to it.
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Svet !jzYkdX7lIw replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,529
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
We'll okay since you're in the same camp as the economists maybe you'll deny global warming like a lot of them do or are you going to pick and choose based on your own personal opinions. Vote how you wish you fucking retard just don't get all excited when a bunch of morons agree with you. Many of the bankers who caused the credit crunch want a remain too so you can suck their cocks too.
RWBY Rhubarb?? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,546
@previous (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw) > calls stay voters moronic > main rebuttal is an incoherent red herring about how agreeing with economists on the Brexit means I must also be global warming denier and approve of incompetent bankers
Fucking hell, it took three posts to reduce you to spouting utter crap.
This isn't "picking and choosing". This is respecting the analysis of a large body of relevant experts. You are the one who is picking and choosing by simply denying that their expertise means anything.
If your argument falls flat this easily it may, in fact, be time to reconsider. But don't worry, you can still help to save the UK instead of trying to hurt it, Svet. Vote stay!
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,548
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb?? !!iNo3FkiZx)
The trouble with you people is you argue a brexit from a pure economical front not getting that the desire behind a brexit is sovereignty and control. Ofc we'll be hurt economically as we were voting in the tories who brought in austerity but some argue we needed it.
You talk about the experts saying a brexit is a bad idea but listening to the same experts has almost destroyed mankind. So shove your argument.
RWBY Rhubarb?? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#687,570
@previous (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
I have not argued from a purely economic standpoint- I already noted that the UK exerts considerable influence within the EU.
So no, we don't need to shoot our own economy in the foot just to feel independent. Please stop being silly, and do the right thing for the UK.
> but listening to the same experts has almost destroyed mankind.
I did not think you would get more retarded than the global warming thing, but you somehow managed it.
Chirst, man, I expected a passably reasonable argument from you, but you're getting downright hysterical. Now you're calling economists a threat to humanity.