Topic: Homeowner Shoots, Kills Teen Burglary Suspect; Family is mad
Anonymous A started this discussion 10 years ago #52,074
They seemed so matter of fact when they said it, as though everyone knows that hood rats break into old White ladies' houses to steal.As though some hood mama looks at the calendar and says, "School be starting in 2 weeks. All y'all break into old white lady houses to get money fo' dem pencil boxes and writing paper and shit."
Just joking. Because she wouldn't have said pencil boxes.
She would have said "perr-unt-suh botzes"
> The sister of the teen who died identified him as Trevon Johnson. She said he was a student at D. A. Dorsey Technical College.
> “I don’t care if she have her gun license or any of that. That is way beyond the law… way beyond,” said Johnson’s cousin Nautika Harris. “He was not supposed to die like this. He had a future ahead of him. Trevon had goals… he was a funny guy, very big on education, loved learning.”
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/03/11/teen-burglary-suspect-killed-homeowner/
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #677,386
Thanks for missing the actual point, which is that the homeowner wasn't home, but rather saw it on her security camera, and didn't even confront the kid until he was leaving. It was an absolutely unnecessary shooting.
The 54-year-old woman told police her surveillance system alerted her to the break-in of her home. She said she rushed home and found the teen climbing out of a window.
“She observed a subject leaving the home through the rear,” said police Det. Dan Ferrin.
Miami-Dade police said there was a confrontation and shots were fired. Police said they were on scene seconds after the shooting and gave CPR to the teen. Johnson was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
“What’s wrong with her,” asked Johnson’s sister Nisha Johnson. “She did not have to shoot him.”
“It’s no reason she should have waited until I think he walked out the yard to try to shoot him,” said Harris. “If she called the police already why would she shoot him?”
“She observed a subject leaving the home through the rear,” said police Det. Dan Ferrin.
Miami-Dade police said there was a confrontation and shots were fired. Police said they were on scene seconds after the shooting and gave CPR to the teen. Johnson was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
“What’s wrong with her,” asked Johnson’s sister Nisha Johnson. “She did not have to shoot him.”
“It’s no reason she should have waited until I think he walked out the yard to try to shoot him,” said Harris. “If she called the police already why would she shoot him?”
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #677,387
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #677,388
The homeowner hasn't been charged. But the "actual point" was at the lack of any responsibility for the crime of robbing a house.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #677,389
@677,387 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It's a controversial opinion I know, but yes.
@previous (A)
Because Florida's laws are super fucked up. Carry on with your racism, thanks.
It's a controversial opinion I know, but yes.
@previous (A)
Because Florida's laws are super fucked up. Carry on with your racism, thanks.
more positive squeegee joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #677,396
so how IS he supposed to get money for school clothes?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #677,407
@previous (more positive squeegee)
As if he was going to spend his stolen goods on school and not weed and rap music.
As if he was going to spend his stolen goods on school and not weed and rap music.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #677,409
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@677,412 (E)
Product placement deals. Why do you think rap suddenly started focusing on luxury consumer goods these past few years?
Product placement deals. Why do you think rap suddenly started focusing on luxury consumer goods these past few years?
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 49 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,427
Yeah it was pretty funny. They alsp all had mouths filled with gold teeth
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Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,940
@677,389 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
Some of them, maybe. We're not the only state with castle doctrine and stand your ground laws though.
Some of them, maybe. We're not the only state with castle doctrine and stand your ground laws though.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 15 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,188
So if understand this and I have looked at multiple news sources -
Sister and cousin say.
The family of the teen killed, is totally fucked up. A danger to society. They think its totally ok to steal from others. Unless they go into politics, they also should end up shot or something more fitting.
Sister and cousin say.
"You have to understand, you have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood. How he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school?"
The family of the teen killed, is totally fucked up. A danger to society. They think its totally ok to steal from others. Unless they go into politics, they also should end up shot or something more fitting.
Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,239
@previous (J)
You know, it would've been better if the kid wasn't shot, sure. Imagine you're the homeowner though, you have no idea what's going on, you don't know if the burglar is armed or not, or if they're there to harm you or your loved ones, and you only have seconds to make a decision.
The homeowner appears to have acted in accordance with the law. We shouldn't be worried about people defending their homes and loved ones as much as we should be worried about the problems in our society which cause youth like this to resort to criminality. This young man didn't have to die, but he also didn't have to break into another person's home.
If there is any truth to their story, then there are generally programs for financial aid for these sort of things. These programs unfortunately tend to go one of two ways, unnoticed and underutilized or noticed and way underfunded.
You know, it would've been better if the kid wasn't shot, sure. Imagine you're the homeowner though, you have no idea what's going on, you don't know if the burglar is armed or not, or if they're there to harm you or your loved ones, and you only have seconds to make a decision.
The homeowner appears to have acted in accordance with the law. We shouldn't be worried about people defending their homes and loved ones as much as we should be worried about the problems in our society which cause youth like this to resort to criminality. This young man didn't have to die, but he also didn't have to break into another person's home.
If there is any truth to their story, then there are generally programs for financial aid for these sort of things. These programs unfortunately tend to go one of two ways, unnoticed and underutilized or noticed and way underfunded.
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,241
@previous (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)
My post about this was mostly in Satire. Mostly because no one will ever know what the teen was thinking when he broke into the house and so far there are no details about what he took from the home.
My comments really relate to the things his family said.
Its just to bad the homeowner was such a good shot. She needs to go to a gun range. Learn to practice so next time she will only shoot the next teen in the balls.
My post about this was mostly in Satire. Mostly because no one will ever know what the teen was thinking when he broke into the house and so far there are no details about what he took from the home.
My comments really relate to the things his family said.
Its just to bad the homeowner was such a good shot. She needs to go to a gun range. Learn to practice so next time she will only shoot the next teen in the balls.
Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,252
@previous (J)
I realize that. Okay, here's one more fucked up thing to add, from a legal perspective, the general consensus is a homeowner is better off killing an intruder vs maiming/wounding them (in FL at least). It's something some people will say openly and others kind of skirt around, but still imply.
I realize that. Okay, here's one more fucked up thing to add, from a legal perspective, the general consensus is a homeowner is better off killing an intruder vs maiming/wounding them (in FL at least). It's something some people will say openly and others kind of skirt around, but still imply.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,255
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,258
@678,252 (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)Yea Florida. Land of the Stand your ground. I suppose with him coming out the window he did not have time to pull a knife or screwdriver or have time to slap her face and knock her down and then rape her so she did the only thing she could and stood her ground. becky said it best
> Because Florida's laws are super fucked up
Homeowner will probably get off with no charges. Long full story for another time. I inherited a out on pardon convicted burglar. A founder of a famous USA retailer. Convicted of tapping the till. Borrowing money without permission of the corporation he co-founded. This was back in 1970's. Turns out the laws in my state - A western state - Laws and prison terms relate to the days of stealing a horse. It once was worse to steal a horse from a man then to kill him. Relates to the value of the horse to the family. So he got a lot more years for the small theft and ended up with a very long sentence. Even 6 months at San Quentin. The rest of the time he lived in a tent on the beach waiting for forest fires to fight.
So it depends on which state you do the crime. Oh I should add that tapping the till - He left a note - Laws of corporations paid no attention to the note he left - He just did not have permission to take the money. If the petty cash compartment were full he could have taken all of that for his needs for the next day with no problem.
Miss that guy because he as a rather low payed employee made my company one hell of a lot of money and all legally. Was fun to spend lunches with.
Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk replied with this 10 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,263
@previous (J)
Hey Def,
Despite the media circus that was the Zimmerman case, and he is undoubtedly a piece of shit and poor excuse for a human being, it doesn't make every instance of someone using stand your ground or castle laws a negative thing. And once again, FL isn't the only state to have 'em.
In this particular case it sounds like a lawful shooting, but we'll know more as the real story actually gets out instead of click bait hype.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine#States_with_a_castle_law
To concede a few points, I feel like if the letter of the law protected someone in a lawful shooting or use of a less lethal weapon in Castle/SYG cases from legal recourse by the burglar/assailant, then a handful more of people might survive these encounters. If you elect to break into a home with the home owner present, then your life may be forfeit, and no one forced the kid to break into her home.
Also I don't have a problem with more thorough background checks and I feel like people with instances of domestic abuse on their record (like Georgie there) should be either denied gun ownership or screened by the local Sheriff, Police Chief, or some other appointed civil servant. I could go on, but that's the jist of the concessions I'd make. Considering the huge percentage of gun ownership in the states, it's obvious that most of these people are law abiding citizens, or the deaths from guns annually would be much much higher.
Brb, stealing a horse.
@678,255 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Exactly.
Hey Def,
Despite the media circus that was the Zimmerman case, and he is undoubtedly a piece of shit and poor excuse for a human being, it doesn't make every instance of someone using stand your ground or castle laws a negative thing. And once again, FL isn't the only state to have 'em.
In this particular case it sounds like a lawful shooting, but we'll know more as the real story actually gets out instead of click bait hype.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine#States_with_a_castle_law
To concede a few points, I feel like if the letter of the law protected someone in a lawful shooting or use of a less lethal weapon in Castle/SYG cases from legal recourse by the burglar/assailant, then a handful more of people might survive these encounters. If you elect to break into a home with the home owner present, then your life may be forfeit, and no one forced the kid to break into her home.
Also I don't have a problem with more thorough background checks and I feel like people with instances of domestic abuse on their record (like Georgie there) should be either denied gun ownership or screened by the local Sheriff, Police Chief, or some other appointed civil servant. I could go on, but that's the jist of the concessions I'd make. Considering the huge percentage of gun ownership in the states, it's obvious that most of these people are law abiding citizens, or the deaths from guns annually would be much much higher.
Brb, stealing a horse.
@678,255 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Exactly.
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Maddy !kCITGirlXc joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,265
@previous (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)
> stealing a horse.
That's still a hanging offense in Texas, bud.
> stealing a horse.
That's still a hanging offense in Texas, bud.
Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,267
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,272
Op have you seen the press conference video of the family members of those three teen girls who stole a car and drowned in Florida?
Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 5 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #678,273
@678,265 (Maddy !kCITGirlXc)
Where is becky when we need her? So I looked it up and sure enough Texas and Louisiana still have laws on books that make horse theft a capitol crime - Net says cannot be enforced because of THIS
Kennedy v. Louisiana - US Super court decided that Killing and raping and sodomizing assholes eight-year-old daughter. Destroying her vagina and rectum by ripping apart all her tissue - Wot he did was bad but not bad enough to put him to death.
Betting if someone did that to the Justices children such Justice might feel different - Anyway net says after that unrelated decision Stealing a horse no longer is fit for taking the life of the horse thief.
Where is becky when we need her? So I looked it up and sure enough Texas and Louisiana still have laws on books that make horse theft a capitol crime - Net says cannot be enforced because of THIS
Kennedy v. Louisiana - US Super court decided that Killing and raping and sodomizing assholes eight-year-old daughter. Destroying her vagina and rectum by ripping apart all her tissue - Wot he did was bad but not bad enough to put him to death.
Betting if someone did that to the Justices children such Justice might feel different - Anyway net says after that unrelated decision Stealing a horse no longer is fit for taking the life of the horse thief.