Topic: The problem with trannys
Anonymous A started this discussion 9 years ago #52,064
Their whole schtick is that they "feel" like they are male when they are not, or female when they are male. No one cares or is even slightly annoyed about feelings, or thoughts, or anything that anyone has and keeps to themselves. There are no thought police, and you can think whatever the hell you want about anything and everything you want. ThanksJust don't expect me to think what you want me to think. Your freedom to be a tranny, a brony, an autist, or a furry is the same freedom that allows me to be a bigot, a racist, a Nazi, a Republican or a Democrat.
The problem is that trannys want everyone else in the world to suspend their beliefs and actively participate in the obvious falsehood that anyone at any time is able to change their gender for any reason and for any amount of time until they may or may not decide to change back and all other people in society must then change the rules of said society to accommodate them.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 11 minutes later[^] [v] #677,294
This is how I feel as well. Just recently a group of angry men tried to intimidate me into believing that grown males with intact dicks and balls were actually women. When I refused I was threatened with all manner of retribution.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #677,299
> it's another thinly-veiled troll threadNexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #677,301
Oh look, another transphobic, garbage post. You are really clever and original.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,305
@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
what are you a fag
anyway, this scientist is changing female sheep to males. I don't know about ewe, but that's got to have ramifications.
what are you a fag
anyway, this scientist is changing female sheep to males. I don't know about ewe, but that's got to have ramifications.
Anonymous C replied with this 9 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,317
@677,301 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I'm almost tempted to point out that the science is very clear that it isn't that simple... But I just know that OP will either handwave scientific research as being unimportant, or really double-down and say that research is controlled by the SJWs.
I'm almost tempted to point out that the science is very clear that it isn't that simple... But I just know that OP will either handwave scientific research as being unimportant, or really double-down and say that research is controlled by the SJWs.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,318
more positive squeegee joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,405
@677,317 (C)
op isn't talking about research, but about personal feelings and their freedom to express themselves and hold opinions counter to others.
i also believe this is all about how people feel, and if a trans person can feel entitled to being called the opposite sex then others can feel entitled to disagree. trans people are asking everyone to suspend their personal convictions and accomodate them. it's asking a lot from people, it's no wonder there is a lot of pushback.
and i can't batter people with words like "transphobic" or "gender-misogynist" to try and force my beliefs on others. but it happens anytime anyone expresses an opinion that is not "trans people are whatever they want to be." but what do we call trans people that disagree with everyone else? they get called brave and heroic.
okay...
op isn't talking about research, but about personal feelings and their freedom to express themselves and hold opinions counter to others.
i also believe this is all about how people feel, and if a trans person can feel entitled to being called the opposite sex then others can feel entitled to disagree. trans people are asking everyone to suspend their personal convictions and accomodate them. it's asking a lot from people, it's no wonder there is a lot of pushback.
and i can't batter people with words like "transphobic" or "gender-misogynist" to try and force my beliefs on others. but it happens anytime anyone expresses an opinion that is not "trans people are whatever they want to be." but what do we call trans people that disagree with everyone else? they get called brave and heroic.
okay...
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,429
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 20 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,439
@677,405 (more positive squeegee)
Well, it is about research. At least the basics of it. These people really are the opposite gender inside, and anyone who denies that is probably ignoring the research because they don't want to hear it. OP openly did this in the first sentence. So please don't try to debate that stuff, at least.
Anyway... Sure, there's the whole SJW crowd screaming out their buzzwords and being aggressive, as you say. Maybe sometimes they're justified in being like that, maybe sometimes they're going too far and making things worse. They are pretty scary. I understand. But they're not the whole picture. There's non-SJW transgendered people too, people who just want to live their lives as comfortably as they can with the hand they've been dealt. They don't want to tear down the CIShet patriarchy, or anything like that.
I could easily just strawman anyone who criticised the transgenders as a bigot or some right-wing idiot. But I try not to. I know a lot of them are fairly regular, decent guys like you who just think that things are going too far. So please, let's not generalise? It helps nobody, it just plays into the hands of the extremists on both sides.
Well, it is about research. At least the basics of it. These people really are the opposite gender inside, and anyone who denies that is probably ignoring the research because they don't want to hear it. OP openly did this in the first sentence. So please don't try to debate that stuff, at least.
Anyway... Sure, there's the whole SJW crowd screaming out their buzzwords and being aggressive, as you say. Maybe sometimes they're justified in being like that, maybe sometimes they're going too far and making things worse. They are pretty scary. I understand. But they're not the whole picture. There's non-SJW transgendered people too, people who just want to live their lives as comfortably as they can with the hand they've been dealt. They don't want to tear down the CIShet patriarchy, or anything like that.
I could easily just strawman anyone who criticised the transgenders as a bigot or some right-wing idiot. But I try not to. I know a lot of them are fairly regular, decent guys like you who just think that things are going too far. So please, let's not generalise? It helps nobody, it just plays into the hands of the extremists on both sides.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,441
I haven't read the thread but
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> These people really are the opposite gender inside, and anyone who denies that is probably ignoring the research because they don't want to hear it.
What research is this?
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> These people really are the opposite gender inside, and anyone who denies that is probably ignoring the research because they don't want to hear it.
What research is this?
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,443
@previous (H)
Here you go. A Wikipedia article laying out the important stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism
Here you go. A Wikipedia article laying out the important stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,444
We're told that trannies have lady brains even though they act like men. Maybe that's because they were socialized as men and benefit from male privilege up until the point where they leave the house in a skirt?
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,446
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Maybe if these "many scientists" of yours that disagree on that weren't so imaginary, you could do better than a hypothetical.
Maybe if these "many scientists" of yours that disagree on that weren't so imaginary, you could do better than a hypothetical.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,447
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,448
@677,441 (H)
Had a quick look at the wikipedia page you linked and read one study which was done on 112 trannies. This was the best graph they came up with: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/figure/F1/
The study also said it was the largest genetic study of the phenomenon. I cannot say I buy it yet.
Had a quick look at the wikipedia page you linked and read one study which was done on 112 trannies. This was the best graph they came up with: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/figure/F1/
The study also said it was the largest genetic study of the phenomenon. I cannot say I buy it yet.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,449
do most people even "feel" like anthing specific unless they get some weird obsession
I close my eyes and I'm just a mind with no name
I close my eyes and I'm just a mind with no name
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,450
I probably have a brain that is masculinized but I don't call myself a man or appropriate the struggles of men, because I'm not a self deceiving piece of shit.
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 39 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,451
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,452
@677,449 (Sheila LaBoof)
Yes I've tried to explain this. Actual women don't run around with a constant drum beat in their heads "I'm a woman, I'm a woman"
Yes I've tried to explain this. Actual women don't run around with a constant drum beat in their heads "I'm a woman, I'm a woman"
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,453
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,455
@677,447 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
I'm not sure that an anecdote trumps years of research. Sorry.
@677,448 (H)
There are lots of other studies on that page too. All of them find strong evidence for several biological factors. Meanwhile, the two suggested enviornmental causes are judged to lack compelling evidence.
Although, if it helps, I did find this meta-study:
http://journals.aace.com/doi/abs/10.4158/EP14351.RA
They looked at several pieces of research on the matter, and concluded that the evidence pointed toward a biological cause.
I'm not sure that an anecdote trumps years of research. Sorry.
@677,448 (H)
There are lots of other studies on that page too. All of them find strong evidence for several biological factors. Meanwhile, the two suggested enviornmental causes are judged to lack compelling evidence.
Although, if it helps, I did find this meta-study:
http://journals.aace.com/doi/abs/10.4158/EP14351.RA
They looked at several pieces of research on the matter, and concluded that the evidence pointed toward a biological cause.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,456
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 30 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,457
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,458
@677,450 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
You sure do like to ignore the research for somebody who thinks that they aren't self-deceiving. Or do you want to cite the "many scientists" again and pretend that you've disproved the mainstream research?
Please, produce the evidence that you're so confident of. You wouldn't want to look self-deceiving, after all.
You sure do like to ignore the research for somebody who thinks that they aren't self-deceiving. Or do you want to cite the "many scientists" again and pretend that you've disproved the mainstream research?
Please, produce the evidence that you're so confident of. You wouldn't want to look self-deceiving, after all.
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 30 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,459
@677,455 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> They looked at several pieces of research on the matter, and concluded that the evidence pointed toward a biological cause.
Well it must be true then!
> They looked at several pieces of research on the matter, and concluded that the evidence pointed toward a biological cause.
Well it must be true then!
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,462
@previous (H)
Well yeah. This was in a peer-reviewed journal. And I've still yet to see a peer-reviewed study of this scale that disagrees. So the evidence is in favour of a biological cause.
You wanted something with more data, right? Here it is. What's wrong?
Well yeah. This was in a peer-reviewed journal. And I've still yet to see a peer-reviewed study of this scale that disagrees. So the evidence is in favour of a biological cause.
You wanted something with more data, right? Here it is. What's wrong?
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,465
http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/hormones
http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/being-out
http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/srs
Go nuts. Enjoy some actual science.
Edit: well the url links didn't work.
Fixed.
If you want to be full of hate and discriminate against us, it is one thing, but don't pretend there is any science on your side, cause there isn't.
http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/being-out
http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/srs
Go nuts. Enjoy some actual science.
Edit: well the url links didn't work.
Fixed.
If you want to be full of hate and discriminate against us, it is one thing, but don't pretend there is any science on your side, cause there isn't.
(Edited 2 minutes later.)
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,466
@677,462 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
These hypotheses aren't falsifiable so we are left with studies that point to vague correlations while having low sample sizes.
These hypotheses aren't falsifiable so we are left with studies that point to vague correlations while having low sample sizes.
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,468
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 46 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,469
@677,458 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Sorry that they act like men. They are aggressive and make death threats. Thanks
Sorry that they act like men. They are aggressive and make death threats. Thanks
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kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,471
The trannys here all have major mental illnesses in their families. Just saying
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 48 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,473
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 41 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,474
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,476
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 49 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,477
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 49 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,478
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
You know three transgender people. Wow, you know so many I bet you are an expert now.
You know three transgender people. Wow, you know so many I bet you are an expert now.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,480
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,482
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
> ITT: Kook spews a bunch of worthless, unsupported opinions and proclaims them as facts
Keep trying. You spout this bullshit and then bring nothing to support it. You are so full of shit and you know it. You have all of these hateful opinions about people like me, but I recall when these exact same "opinions" were what people said gays had. You are literally regurgitating the shit the KKK and other hateful groups said about blacks in the 60's, What neo-cons said about gays in the 90'-00's. Verbatim. You people can't even come up with something new so you just regurgitate the hateful shit that people said in the past. You will be remembered just as they were too. Go ahead and sit in your little bubble of hate while the rest of the world progresses.
> ITT: Kook spews a bunch of worthless, unsupported opinions and proclaims them as facts
Keep trying. You spout this bullshit and then bring nothing to support it. You are so full of shit and you know it. You have all of these hateful opinions about people like me, but I recall when these exact same "opinions" were what people said gays had. You are literally regurgitating the shit the KKK and other hateful groups said about blacks in the 60's, What neo-cons said about gays in the 90'-00's. Verbatim. You people can't even come up with something new so you just regurgitate the hateful shit that people said in the past. You will be remembered just as they were too. Go ahead and sit in your little bubble of hate while the rest of the world progresses.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 35 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,484
@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
They do have higher rates of all of those things. Sorry that's it's offensive.
They do have higher rates of all of those things. Sorry that's it's offensive.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,487
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,490
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 4 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,491
@677,487 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Most of these HIV data collection methods either classify transgender women as "men who have sex with men" or Do not distinguish between Transgender women and Non-Transgender women.
I am not saying the rates are catastrophically high, They are. However many of these people who do have HIV were raped or forced into prostitution due to legalized discrimination and Harassment and/or mistreatment in the work place. Oppression and discrimination are hard things to deal with for anyone and it pushed people to start doing things to support themselves that most wouldn't think of while in their comfortable little bubble, like you. People like you are the reason that transgender individuals like are terrified to get medical help or social help. I see your hatred and it is real and irrational.
Most of these HIV data collection methods either classify transgender women as "men who have sex with men" or Do not distinguish between Transgender women and Non-Transgender women.
I am not saying the rates are catastrophically high, They are. However many of these people who do have HIV were raped or forced into prostitution due to legalized discrimination and Harassment and/or mistreatment in the work place. Oppression and discrimination are hard things to deal with for anyone and it pushed people to start doing things to support themselves that most wouldn't think of while in their comfortable little bubble, like you. People like you are the reason that transgender individuals like are terrified to get medical help or social help. I see your hatred and it is real and irrational.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,492
@677,466 (H)
I never even said anything about falsifiability. I said that multiple peer-reviewed studies keep finding evidence supporting a biological cause. Meanwhile, evidence for an environmental cause has come up short.
In psychology, we would call this sound evidence that an assumption is correct.
@677,487 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
> Get told that science heavily supports an innate and biological cause for transgenderism
> "W-well, the trannies have HIV! Deviants!"
That crumpled quickly, huh? Do you want to try the "many scientists" defence one last time? Or should we just stay silent on that one?
I never even said anything about falsifiability. I said that multiple peer-reviewed studies keep finding evidence supporting a biological cause. Meanwhile, evidence for an environmental cause has come up short.
In psychology, we would call this sound evidence that an assumption is correct.
@677,487 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
> Get told that science heavily supports an innate and biological cause for transgenderism
> "W-well, the trannies have HIV! Deviants!"
That crumpled quickly, huh? Do you want to try the "many scientists" defence one last time? Or should we just stay silent on that one?
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 18 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,493
@677,491 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,494
@677,490 (H)
Then you are "personally" full of shit if you do not see the very close similarities. We are profiled by the police, we are mistreated at work, school and by medical professionals. We are at a much higher rate of being sexually assaulted.
If you refuse to see the similarities that is your problem, that doesn't change the fact that all of this is very real.
Then you are "personally" full of shit if you do not see the very close similarities. We are profiled by the police, we are mistreated at work, school and by medical professionals. We are at a much higher rate of being sexually assaulted.
If you refuse to see the similarities that is your problem, that doesn't change the fact that all of this is very real.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,495
@677,492 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I said that they act like men and have very high rates of HIV, mental illness, and drug use and they do. Out of our statistically high amount of trannies on this very site, at least three have schizophrenia in their immediate family. The numbers shouldn't come out like that!
I'll never see people who are socialized as men and still get treated as men out in public as females.
Sorry, not sorry.
I said that they act like men and have very high rates of HIV, mental illness, and drug use and they do. Out of our statistically high amount of trannies on this very site, at least three have schizophrenia in their immediate family. The numbers shouldn't come out like that!
I'll never see people who are socialized as men and still get treated as men out in public as females.
Sorry, not sorry.
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 11 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,496
@677,492 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> I never even said anything about falsifiability.
You didn't, I did.
> I said that multiple peer-reviewed studies keep finding evidence supporting a biological cause. Meanwhile, evidence for an environmental cause has come up short.
> In psychology, we would call this sound evidence that an assumption is correct.
Well you shouldn't.
> I never even said anything about falsifiability.
You didn't, I did.
> I said that multiple peer-reviewed studies keep finding evidence supporting a biological cause. Meanwhile, evidence for an environmental cause has come up short.
> In psychology, we would call this sound evidence that an assumption is correct.
Well you shouldn't.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 34 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,497
Hey Becky guess what? Being black is just like being trans.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,499
@677,493 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Wow, your google-fu is great. You find one news article with one doctor saying that getting a sex change is bad and I bring a page with 85 different research studies saying that guy and you are full of shit and you refuse to believe it. Here it is again.http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/srs read it, or stop trying to drag out a single scientist who supports your viewpoint. That isn't science, that again is an opinion. Regardless of the degree(s) he holds.
Wow, your google-fu is great. You find one news article with one doctor saying that getting a sex change is bad and I bring a page with 85 different research studies saying that guy and you are full of shit and you refuse to believe it. Here it is again.http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/srs read it, or stop trying to drag out a single scientist who supports your viewpoint. That isn't science, that again is an opinion. Regardless of the degree(s) he holds.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 6 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,500
I'm expected to treat fully intact males who don't even leave the house in drag as women. Good luck with that retards.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 31 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,501
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 triple-posted this 9 years ago, 32 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,502
@677,499 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Just like it's your opinion that you are just the same as a bio woman. You are not.
Just like it's your opinion that you are just the same as a bio woman. You are not.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 16 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,503
@677,497 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Never said that, I said you are regurgitating the viewpoints that these groups used against blacks in the '60s.
There you go again, putting words in my mouth. You can't even fight your own battles.
Never said that, I said you are regurgitating the viewpoints that these groups used against blacks in the '60s.
There you go again, putting words in my mouth. You can't even fight your own battles.
Metæ joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,504
@677,495 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
But don't cis male homosexuals have much higher rates of HIV, drug use, and mental illness compared to cis male heterosexuals?
But don't cis male homosexuals have much higher rates of HIV, drug use, and mental illness compared to cis male heterosexuals?
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Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 3 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,505
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 53 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,506
@677,501 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
That doesn't matter. They were the first to do it. So what? All of the science says he is full of shit and you know? I am going to believe peer reviewed research studioes over an old kook any day.
@677,502 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
I am a woman however, I understand that I am different but I deserve to be treated the same.
That doesn't matter. They were the first to do it. So what? All of the science says he is full of shit and you know? I am going to believe peer reviewed research studioes over an old kook any day.
@677,502 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
I am a woman however, I understand that I am different but I deserve to be treated the same.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 22 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,507
@677,496 (H)
There is hardly any point in discussing this further if you won't accept what the vast majority of the research is saying, so we will leave it there.
There is hardly any point in discussing this further if you won't accept what the vast majority of the research is saying, so we will leave it there.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,508
@677,503 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Yes you implied it and that's offensive! We've had several members who said they were trans and then changed their minds. No one has done that about being black, honey!
Yes you implied it and that's offensive! We've had several members who said they were trans and then changed their minds. No one has done that about being black, honey!
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 22 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,509
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 38 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,510
Metæ replied with this 9 years ago, 4 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,511
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 13 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,512
@677,505 (H)
Oh does that hurt your feelings? Guess what, all of this hurts mine. Just because it makes you angry doesn't make it any less true.
Oh does that hurt your feelings? Guess what, all of this hurts mine. Just because it makes you angry doesn't make it any less true.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 14 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,513
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 22 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,514
@677,504 (Metæ)
What do they have in common? Oh right having dicks. It's strange how trans "women" have rates comparable to other men.
What do they have in common? Oh right having dicks. It's strange how trans "women" have rates comparable to other men.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 21 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,515
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 triple-posted this 9 years ago, 42 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,516
None of this would have happened if people with dicks hadn't tried to bully me
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 5 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,517
@677,508 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
They change their minds because either A. they weren't really trans to begin with and they had some Identity disorder that made them latch onto being transgender. or B. they got so tired of the ridicule and discrimination that they faces they repressed how they felt just so they could be seen as "normal".
They change their minds because either A. they weren't really trans to begin with and they had some Identity disorder that made them latch onto being transgender. or B. they got so tired of the ridicule and discrimination that they faces they repressed how they felt just so they could be seen as "normal".
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,518
Metæ replied with this 9 years ago, 15 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,519
@677,514 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Well yes, but why do cis gay men have much higher HIV and drug use (on phone atm so can't dig up statistics) than cis straight men, when both have dicks and neither claims to be a woman?
Well yes, but why do cis gay men have much higher HIV and drug use (on phone atm so can't dig up statistics) than cis straight men, when both have dicks and neither claims to be a woman?
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 40 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,520
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 33 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,521
@677,516 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
There you go again with with all this "bullying" against you. Poor kook, I bet you are so hurt by all this bullying I bet it just tears you up inside. Guess what, I deal with bullying and discrimination on a normal basis.
There you go again with with all this "bullying" against you. Poor kook, I bet you are so hurt by all this bullying I bet it just tears you up inside. Guess what, I deal with bullying and discrimination on a normal basis.
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Nexus !jNexusRe/. double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,522
@677,518 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
No you cannot, just like you cannot change the fact that you have Gender dysphoria, you can dig your head in the sand and pretend it isn't true but that doesn't mean that it is.
No you cannot, just like you cannot change the fact that you have Gender dysphoria, you can dig your head in the sand and pretend it isn't true but that doesn't mean that it is.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. triple-posted this 9 years ago, 50 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,523
@677,520 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
You cannot find anything to support your ideology so instead you just come up with hateful shit to say. You are so clever.
You cannot find anything to support your ideology so instead you just come up with hateful shit to say. You are so clever.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 58 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,525
@677,521 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
You did try to bully me. You and the other men here. Also I go out as a woman everyday you whining little bitch. I don't have the privilege of doing anything else. Unlike you.
You did try to bully me. You and the other men here. Also I go out as a woman everyday you whining little bitch. I don't have the privilege of doing anything else. Unlike you.
Anonymous H replied with this 9 years ago, 2 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,526
@677,512 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
> Oh does that hurt your feelings? Guess what, all of this hurts mine. Just because it makes you angry doesn't make it any less true.
Who is angry?
> Oh does that hurt your feelings? Guess what, all of this hurts mine. Just because it makes you angry doesn't make it any less true.
Who is angry?
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 28 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,527
@677,523 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
They have aids because they treat their assholes like pussies. It is a fact
They have aids because they treat their assholes like pussies. It is a fact
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 55 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,528
@677,522 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Gender dysphoria does not make you a woman. You were raised as a man and act like a man. You also still have male privilege.
Gender dysphoria does not make you a woman. You were raised as a man and act like a man. You also still have male privilege.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 triple-posted this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,529
This never would have happened if you hadn't tried to bend me to your will. For days you attempted to break me, now everyone will suffer.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,530
@677,526 (H)
You are.
@677,527 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
No, men treat those like pussies.
@677,528 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Science says you are wrong. Regardless of how you personally feel.
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
This will continue to happen because I will not bend to yours. Your opinions are baseless and have nothing but hateful bigotry to support it.
You are.
@677,527 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
No, men treat those like pussies.
@677,528 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Science says you are wrong. Regardless of how you personally feel.
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
This will continue to happen because I will not bend to yours. Your opinions are baseless and have nothing but hateful bigotry to support it.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,531
@677,529 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
> now everyone will suffer
This really makes you sound like the good guy here, kook.
> now everyone will suffer
This really makes you sound like the good guy here, kook.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,533
@677,530 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Yes men do. That's the point.
Well then have fun here, because no men will force me to change reality for them.
Yes men do. That's the point.
Well then have fun here, because no men will force me to change reality for them.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,535
@677,531 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I don't need to feel "good". I'm rebeling against violent, patriarchal males.
I don't need to feel "good". I'm rebeling against violent, patriarchal males.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,536
@677,533 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
So you are saying that a man has never treated a XX woman like a walking piece of meat?
You refuse to get with the times and see that people like me are not a threat. We just want to be happy.
So you are saying that a man has never treated a XX woman like a walking piece of meat?
You refuse to get with the times and see that people like me are not a threat. We just want to be happy.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,538
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 3 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,539
@677,535 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
> Violent
Who, me? Because I have an opinion based in science that disagrees with your bigotry?
> Rebelling
You mean maintaining the status quo. You are not rebelling.
> Violent
Who, me? Because I have an opinion based in science that disagrees with your bigotry?
> Rebelling
You mean maintaining the status quo. You are not rebelling.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. double-posted this 9 years ago, 36 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,540
@677,538 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
I am not a man. Therapists say I am not, Doctors say I am not, But you do so it must be true.
I am not a man. Therapists say I am not, Doctors say I am not, But you do so it must be true.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 13 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,541
@677,539 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
The status quo is bowing to the threats and bullying of men. I will not do that.
The status quo is bowing to the threats and bullying of men. I will not do that.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 41 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,542
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,543
@677,541 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
No the statues quo is treating transgender people like they are the gender they were born as.
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
In your opinion. Yes I still have my male parts but that isn't through any choice of mine.
No the statues quo is treating transgender people like they are the gender they were born as.
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
In your opinion. Yes I still have my male parts but that isn't through any choice of mine.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,545
@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Whatever you say, sir. I do not believe your reality.
You do choose to leave your house as a man, sir
Whatever you say, sir. I do not believe your reality.
You do choose to leave your house as a man, sir
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,546
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
My reality is reality. Yours is a nice little bubble where kook and her kind live.
Many other women choose to leave their house wearing mens style clothes too. I din't plan on leaving my house as a male much longer.
My reality is reality. Yours is a nice little bubble where kook and her kind live.
Many other women choose to leave their house wearing mens style clothes too. I din't plan on leaving my house as a male much longer.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 25 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,547
@677,507 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> There is hardly any point in discussing this further if you won't accept what the vast majority of the research is saying, so we will leave it there.
I have a bit of a hard time with the research if it's being used to further the idea that people are born in the "wrong" body, or that it's akin to being black. That's not what it says. It just says there are identifiable brain differences in people who currently identify with the opposite gender. Is there any predictive ability with this research? Can you look at a brain scan five, ten years early, and say which individuals will end up wanting to transition? Given that we know some mental disorders with strong environmental factors (depression, for instance) actually cause changes in the brain's physical patterns, and there are undoubted environmental factors there, I just can't make the leap you seem to be suggesting.
> There is hardly any point in discussing this further if you won't accept what the vast majority of the research is saying, so we will leave it there.
I have a bit of a hard time with the research if it's being used to further the idea that people are born in the "wrong" body, or that it's akin to being black. That's not what it says. It just says there are identifiable brain differences in people who currently identify with the opposite gender. Is there any predictive ability with this research? Can you look at a brain scan five, ten years early, and say which individuals will end up wanting to transition? Given that we know some mental disorders with strong environmental factors (depression, for instance) actually cause changes in the brain's physical patterns, and there are undoubted environmental factors there, I just can't make the leap you seem to be suggesting.
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kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,548
@677,546 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
You have the privilege of looking like a man in public, sir. This is what happens when men try to force me into doing things, sir.
You have the privilege of looking like a man in public, sir. This is what happens when men try to force me into doing things, sir.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 4 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,549
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,555
@677,548 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
You say I have a privilege but this does not feel this way. How am I in any way privileged to be a male?
@previous (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
I do after comma's occasionally. I can't help it. My hand automatically goes to the shift button.
You say I have a privilege but this does not feel this way. How am I in any way privileged to be a male?
@previous (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
I do after comma's occasionally. I can't help it. My hand automatically goes to the shift button.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 37 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,557
@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Does your hand automatically go to the apostrophe button when you go to pluralize a word, too?
Does your hand automatically go to the apostrophe button when you go to pluralize a word, too?
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 38 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,559
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 5 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,560
@677,555 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
You have the privilege of not going out in public as a vulnerable woman
You have the privilege of not going out in public as a vulnerable woman
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,563
@previous (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
I am a vulnerable trans woman. That is what you don't seem to understand. I will continue to change as this year drags on and the hatred I will face in public will be very real. You have the privilege of being an XX woman at birth and not having to go through a third of the shit I will have to go through to be happy.
I am a vulnerable trans woman. That is what you don't seem to understand. I will continue to change as this year drags on and the hatred I will face in public will be very real. You have the privilege of being an XX woman at birth and not having to go through a third of the shit I will have to go through to be happy.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,565
@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
You go out as a man, and are treated like a man. You are not a vulnerable woman.
I have to go through a third of the shit that you do?!
Holy shit Becky, ducky did you know this?
You go out as a man, and are treated like a man. You are not a vulnerable woman.
I have to go through a third of the shit that you do?!
Holy shit Becky, ducky did you know this?
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 42 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,566
@677,560 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Kook, do you not think there are "real" transpeople? Who really have to transition to be content or even somewhat mentally well?
@677,563 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
To be fair, kook doesn't exactly sound particularly feminine, and I'm certain she's been on the receiving end of some bullying for it. (Fair, kook?)
Kook, do you not think there are "real" transpeople? Who really have to transition to be content or even somewhat mentally well?
@677,563 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
To be fair, kook doesn't exactly sound particularly feminine, and I'm certain she's been on the receiving end of some bullying for it. (Fair, kook?)
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,567
@677,548 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Why can't you dress like a man if you want? How is that a privilege only males have?
You wouldn't even get funny looks and nobody will think you are tranny.
Why can't you dress like a man if you want? How is that a privilege only males have?
You wouldn't even get funny looks and nobody will think you are tranny.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 14 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,568
@677,566 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
No, we are all doing this so we can rape XX women in bathrooms with our man penises.
No, we are all doing this so we can rape XX women in bathrooms with our man penises.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 33 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,569
@677,565 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Like the other transwomen we've talked to here, yes, there's a bizarre level of tone-deafness to life as an "actual" woman. Nexus had none of the socialization into victims of rape culture that we did, growing up; none of the repeated sexual harassment and boundary-crossing, presumably, none of the sexual assault. And she wants to lecture us about vulnerability. It's bizarre and tbh, one of the reasons I get so irritated with transwomen in minichan arguments.
Like the other transwomen we've talked to here, yes, there's a bizarre level of tone-deafness to life as an "actual" woman. Nexus had none of the socialization into victims of rape culture that we did, growing up; none of the repeated sexual harassment and boundary-crossing, presumably, none of the sexual assault. And she wants to lecture us about vulnerability. It's bizarre and tbh, one of the reasons I get so irritated with transwomen in minichan arguments.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 21 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,570
@677,567 (K)
Because even if I dressed like a man, I wouldn't look like one. People would still treat me like a woman. Just like people treat Nexus like a man.
Because even if I dressed like a man, I wouldn't look like one. People would still treat me like a woman. Just like people treat Nexus like a man.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,571
@677,569 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
Exactly. Up until even today, Nexus has benefited from make privilege. Yet we should pity him, because bio women have it so easy.
Exactly. Up until even today, Nexus has benefited from make privilege. Yet we should pity him, because bio women have it so easy.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 49 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,573
@677,569 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
You honestly think growing up for me was all sunshine and rainbows?
You honestly think growing up for me was all sunshine and rainbows?
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 39 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,575
@677,568 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Oh shut the fuck up you asshole. I won't throw a "you people" at you, but your tone-deafness is astonishing. You do no favors to transgender folk when you argue like this. There is a real vulnerability and fear behind the discomfort in the bathroom arguments, but you want to just paper over it with your bizarre comparisons to Jim Crow laws rather than show a modicum of compassion. But you cry foul when anyone refuses to extend that same compassion to you, when you have YET to even experience even a bit of sexual victimization, except in your mind and except on minichan.
Oh shut the fuck up you asshole. I won't throw a "you people" at you, but your tone-deafness is astonishing. You do no favors to transgender folk when you argue like this. There is a real vulnerability and fear behind the discomfort in the bathroom arguments, but you want to just paper over it with your bizarre comparisons to Jim Crow laws rather than show a modicum of compassion. But you cry foul when anyone refuses to extend that same compassion to you, when you have YET to even experience even a bit of sexual victimization, except in your mind and except on minichan.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 3 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,576
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 36 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,578
Lol you've poked the Dragon, you spergs
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 43 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,581
@677,573 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I don't give a shit because you are a determined asshole on transgender issues and have zero interest in understanding other people's viewpoints or concerns.
I don't give a shit because you are a determined asshole on transgender issues and have zero interest in understanding other people's viewpoints or concerns.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,586
Nexus you consider women's lifelong history of violence and sexism against them to be less important than the possible danger you will be in, in a few months when you finally get brave enough to wear a skirt in public. That sickens me.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 30 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,587
@677,575 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
I understand the arguments about the bathroom laws and the discomfort it causes. I do, I get it. Women are victimized daily. So are transgender people. There are men everywhere that will take advantage of women. You seem to not see the discomfort people like me feel using the bathroom constantly. You refuse to see it from our perspective, both of you. We aren't monsters, we just want to live our lives in peace and not get beaten or assaulted in the bathrooms. People perceive us as freaks or monsters when all we want is to be happy and be treated like human fucking beings. But you do not extend us THAT courtesy.
I understand how you feel, I do. You don't understand how people like me feel when there are laws being written that specifically allow people like me to be legally discriminated against in public. Do you know how that feels? Honestly?
I understand the arguments about the bathroom laws and the discomfort it causes. I do, I get it. Women are victimized daily. So are transgender people. There are men everywhere that will take advantage of women. You seem to not see the discomfort people like me feel using the bathroom constantly. You refuse to see it from our perspective, both of you. We aren't monsters, we just want to live our lives in peace and not get beaten or assaulted in the bathrooms. People perceive us as freaks or monsters when all we want is to be happy and be treated like human fucking beings. But you do not extend us THAT courtesy.
I understand how you feel, I do. You don't understand how people like me feel when there are laws being written that specifically allow people like me to be legally discriminated against in public. Do you know how that feels? Honestly?
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buttons joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,588
@677,527 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
> They have aids because they treat their assholes like pussies. It is a fact
Wow mean
> They have aids because they treat their assholes like pussies. It is a fact
Wow mean
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,591
@677,547 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
> it's being used to further the idea that people are born in the "wrong" body
These people really do have a mis-match between mind and body. You can look at that a few different ways, and them being in "the wrong body" is a perfectly valid way to do so. We (as in our consciousnesses) are our brains and not our bodies, in a sense.
> or that it's akin to being black.
I never said anything like that? This is very different from race. Race is just a skin colour. This is a tangible effect on behaviour.
> Can you look at a brain scan five, ten years early, and say which individuals will end up wanting to transition?
I couldn't quite find anything looking at the brains of transgender children. The best I found was some research from 2011:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/
Basically a researcher thinks he can find the brain differences in children as young as 2 to 3. Unfortunately he does not seem to have yet continued this research with a significantly viable sample.
Further down, interestingly, another neurologist noted that the brain's white matter can keep developing up until a person's 30s, so late-onset transgenderism could be possible. So it might be that childhood brainscans wouldn't catch every genuine case.
> Given that we know some mental disorders with strong environmental factors (depression, for instance) actually cause changes in the brain's physical patterns, and there are undoubted environmental factors there
Sure. And those environmental effects for those conditions have been found and established. Soooo... Where is the similar evidence for transgenderism? They've certainly looked. If you check the Wikipedia page I cited earlier, you'll see that such investigations have come up short, deemed to be lacking in evidence.
All I'm seeing here is lots of lots of studies turning up evidence supporting a biological cause (along with a meta-study corroborating this), and a pretty much non-existent evidence base for an environmental cause. Doesn't seem like a leap to me.
> it's being used to further the idea that people are born in the "wrong" body
These people really do have a mis-match between mind and body. You can look at that a few different ways, and them being in "the wrong body" is a perfectly valid way to do so. We (as in our consciousnesses) are our brains and not our bodies, in a sense.
> or that it's akin to being black.
I never said anything like that? This is very different from race. Race is just a skin colour. This is a tangible effect on behaviour.
> Can you look at a brain scan five, ten years early, and say which individuals will end up wanting to transition?
I couldn't quite find anything looking at the brains of transgender children. The best I found was some research from 2011:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/
Basically a researcher thinks he can find the brain differences in children as young as 2 to 3. Unfortunately he does not seem to have yet continued this research with a significantly viable sample.
Further down, interestingly, another neurologist noted that the brain's white matter can keep developing up until a person's 30s, so late-onset transgenderism could be possible. So it might be that childhood brainscans wouldn't catch every genuine case.
> Given that we know some mental disorders with strong environmental factors (depression, for instance) actually cause changes in the brain's physical patterns, and there are undoubted environmental factors there
Sure. And those environmental effects for those conditions have been found and established. Soooo... Where is the similar evidence for transgenderism? They've certainly looked. If you check the Wikipedia page I cited earlier, you'll see that such investigations have come up short, deemed to be lacking in evidence.
All I'm seeing here is lots of lots of studies turning up evidence supporting a biological cause (along with a meta-study corroborating this), and a pretty much non-existent evidence base for an environmental cause. Doesn't seem like a leap to me.
Anonymous K replied with this 9 years ago, 54 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,592
@677,587 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Stop making it about the restroom please.
People shouldn't have to poop and pee in the same room as anybody regardless of sex.
Stop making it about the restroom please.
People shouldn't have to poop and pee in the same room as anybody regardless of sex.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,595
@677,586 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
I understand the lifelong struggle against sexism and violence. I have been a victim of severe violence, real violence, many fucking times. I have been beaten and abused before and I assume that some of the people here before have been too. As I transition I am going to have to learn how to deal with sexual advances and sexism, that is a reality of doing this. Don't ever think I don't understand what women have gone through, I really do. I have seen it, I have watched it, and I know it is going to happen to me too while I do this.
I understand the lifelong struggle against sexism and violence. I have been a victim of severe violence, real violence, many fucking times. I have been beaten and abused before and I assume that some of the people here before have been too. As I transition I am going to have to learn how to deal with sexual advances and sexism, that is a reality of doing this. Don't ever think I don't understand what women have gone through, I really do. I have seen it, I have watched it, and I know it is going to happen to me too while I do this.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 39 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,597
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,599
@677,592 (K)
This all fucking started because kook doesn't believe transwomen should be able to use the womens restroom.
This all fucking started because kook doesn't believe transwomen should be able to use the womens restroom.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 40 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,600
@677,595 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
You clearly don't understand if you think it's it's so much easier to be me
You clearly don't understand if you think it's it's so much easier to be me
Anonymous K replied with this 9 years ago, 45 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,601
@677,599 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
No it started because you shoved your transness in kook's face and refused to back down. Thanks.
No it started because you shoved your transness in kook's face and refused to back down. Thanks.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,603
@677,587 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I'm not an expert on the NC law, but reading it quickly it does appear to allow people to use the bathroom of their legal sex. Do you have an idea of where the dividing line should be? Or should there be none?
And yes, I'm well aware of laws discriminating against women. Seriously, are you retarded? I take it you don't give a shit about reproductive rights because it doesn't affect you?
I'm not an expert on the NC law, but reading it quickly it does appear to allow people to use the bathroom of their legal sex. Do you have an idea of where the dividing line should be? Or should there be none?
And yes, I'm well aware of laws discriminating against women. Seriously, are you retarded? I take it you don't give a shit about reproductive rights because it doesn't affect you?
buttons replied with this 9 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,609
some other anon dude joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 21 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,610
I at one time thought/believed that I was the Son of God. Now I realize that, after years of therapy and medications, the error of my ways. I suffered from delusions of Grandeur and believe me NO ONE THOUGHT OR BELIEVED that I was the Son of God. They looked at me as a poor fucked up mentally ill soul. Now after years of living I am stable (while on meds) and hope I have a good handle on reality.
DELUSIONS can be a brick wall in the thought processes of people. THEY (the delusions) felt REAL. But in REALITY the delusions WERE not REAL. They were real in my head but in the heads of others I was a poor fucked up mentally ill fool who needed medications to help process reality for me.
I never suffered from body ideation. I didn't go back and forth if I was a male or female. I was just a male who liked fucking females. Being a male wasn't a big deal to me.
I never suffered from the delusions that I was a female stuck in a male body. Never occurred to me.
The road to my beliefs in being the Son of God was a long one. I may have been born mentally ill but I also tripped on LSD a few times and started up smoking weed. THEN the illness intensified. So there is that.
DELUSIONS can be a brick wall in the thought processes of people. THEY (the delusions) felt REAL. But in REALITY the delusions WERE not REAL. They were real in my head but in the heads of others I was a poor fucked up mentally ill fool who needed medications to help process reality for me.
I never suffered from body ideation. I didn't go back and forth if I was a male or female. I was just a male who liked fucking females. Being a male wasn't a big deal to me.
I never suffered from the delusions that I was a female stuck in a male body. Never occurred to me.
The road to my beliefs in being the Son of God was a long one. I may have been born mentally ill but I also tripped on LSD a few times and started up smoking weed. THEN the illness intensified. So there is that.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,612
@677,591 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Cool. I am not sure I'm convinced yet, but I'm getting there. I think a lot of it is a personal hang-up; I still feel some discomfort when thinking about transgenderism (word?), but I've noticed it's gotten less over the last couple of years or so. I do think the "right" side of history is to believe that transgender folks are going through something real and the legal and medical system should support their self-determination, but I'd sure like to see some more compassion to biowomen who've been legitimately victimized, often repeatedly.
I think you'd make a better tranny than Nexus, have you considered it?
Cool. I am not sure I'm convinced yet, but I'm getting there. I think a lot of it is a personal hang-up; I still feel some discomfort when thinking about transgenderism (word?), but I've noticed it's gotten less over the last couple of years or so. I do think the "right" side of history is to believe that transgender folks are going through something real and the legal and medical system should support their self-determination, but I'd sure like to see some more compassion to biowomen who've been legitimately victimized, often repeatedly.
I think you'd make a better tranny than Nexus, have you considered it?
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 52 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,613
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 46 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,614
@677,600 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
No you don't understand. I want to be a woman. I am accepting that all of these are a reality of life. Over and over you refuse to see that transpeople are constant victims of sexual and physical violence. i get that women have to deal with this.
@677,603 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
You say legal sex but when states make it IMPOSSIBLE to change one's legal sex to what their Gender Identity tells them what they are then these laws are a moot point. These laws aren't being written to protect you, you are wrong. They are being written to strip certain Americans who are seen as "undesirable" of their rights. Or did you not see the FRC's 5 point plan of stripping transgender rights including legislating bathroom bills? Men will rape women and no law will stop them, But making these laws are discriminatory and If you honestly support them you are literally no better than the people who supported the DCMA and Jim Crow laws.
You think I don't understand reproductive rights but if it wasn't for an abortion clinic I wouldn't be able to do this here. I think women and men have the right to do with their bodies as they please to make them happy. I also think that before one has an abortion they should consider that they have a life growing inside them that will have dreams and hopes one day.
No you don't understand. I want to be a woman. I am accepting that all of these are a reality of life. Over and over you refuse to see that transpeople are constant victims of sexual and physical violence. i get that women have to deal with this.
@677,603 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
You say legal sex but when states make it IMPOSSIBLE to change one's legal sex to what their Gender Identity tells them what they are then these laws are a moot point. These laws aren't being written to protect you, you are wrong. They are being written to strip certain Americans who are seen as "undesirable" of their rights. Or did you not see the FRC's 5 point plan of stripping transgender rights including legislating bathroom bills? Men will rape women and no law will stop them, But making these laws are discriminatory and If you honestly support them you are literally no better than the people who supported the DCMA and Jim Crow laws.
You think I don't understand reproductive rights but if it wasn't for an abortion clinic I wouldn't be able to do this here. I think women and men have the right to do with their bodies as they please to make them happy. I also think that before one has an abortion they should consider that they have a life growing inside them that will have dreams and hopes one day.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 4 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,615
@677,610 (some other anon dude)
Are you saying you are, or are not, the son of god? Also, tranny y/n?
Are you saying you are, or are not, the son of god? Also, tranny y/n?
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,617
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,618
Nexus !jNexusRe/. double-posted this 9 years ago, 45 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,619
@677,617 (kook !!vzUOyOi/5)
Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I said it is easier to be an XX woman rather than being a transwoman.
Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I said it is easier to be an XX woman rather than being a transwoman.
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 replied with this 9 years ago, 47 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,621
kook !!vzUOyOi/5 double-posted this 9 years ago, 57 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,623
@677,614 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Becky note the mention of the Jim Crow laws and the idea that someone should consider the life inside of them before an abortion
Becky note the mention of the Jim Crow laws and the idea that someone should consider the life inside of them before an abortion
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY replied with this 9 years ago, 4 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,624
@677,614 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
> You say legal sex but when states make it IMPOSSIBLE to change one's legal sex to what their Gender Identity tells them what they are then these laws are a moot point.
NC allows individuals to change their birth certificate after SRS, so thanks for that pointless and irrelevant trivia.
> These laws aren't being written to protect you, you are wrong. They are being written to strip certain Americans who are seen as "undesirable" of their rights. Or did you not see the FRC's 5 point plan of stripping transgender rights including legislating bathroom bills? Men will rape women and no law will stop them, But making these laws are discriminatory and If you honestly support them you are literally no better than the people who supported the DCMA and Jim Crow laws.
Why are you so committed to coming across as hysterical and what does the Defense Contract Management Agency have to do with this? I honestly have no idea if you're trying to refer to a goddamn copyright law or DOMA, but in either case, you seriously undermine your cause by throwing these comparisons out when people are trying to engage with you. People who could be allies. I encourage you to continue, though, because that way I feel no guilt about mocking you.
> You think I don't understand reproductive rights but if it wasn't for an abortion clinic I wouldn't be able to do this here.
What?
> I think women and men have the right to do with their bodies as they please to make them happy. I also think that before one has an abortion they should consider that they have a life growing inside them that will have dreams and hopes one day.
Well no, it won't have dreams and hopes if it's killed. Have you thought about your penis's dreams and hopes, before you cut it off? Someone should protest your SRS hospital to remind you of that.
> You say legal sex but when states make it IMPOSSIBLE to change one's legal sex to what their Gender Identity tells them what they are then these laws are a moot point.
NC allows individuals to change their birth certificate after SRS, so thanks for that pointless and irrelevant trivia.
> These laws aren't being written to protect you, you are wrong. They are being written to strip certain Americans who are seen as "undesirable" of their rights. Or did you not see the FRC's 5 point plan of stripping transgender rights including legislating bathroom bills? Men will rape women and no law will stop them, But making these laws are discriminatory and If you honestly support them you are literally no better than the people who supported the DCMA and Jim Crow laws.
Why are you so committed to coming across as hysterical and what does the Defense Contract Management Agency have to do with this? I honestly have no idea if you're trying to refer to a goddamn copyright law or DOMA, but in either case, you seriously undermine your cause by throwing these comparisons out when people are trying to engage with you. People who could be allies. I encourage you to continue, though, because that way I feel no guilt about mocking you.
> You think I don't understand reproductive rights but if it wasn't for an abortion clinic I wouldn't be able to do this here.
What?
> I think women and men have the right to do with their bodies as they please to make them happy. I also think that before one has an abortion they should consider that they have a life growing inside them that will have dreams and hopes one day.
Well no, it won't have dreams and hopes if it's killed. Have you thought about your penis's dreams and hopes, before you cut it off? Someone should protest your SRS hospital to remind you of that.
beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY double-posted this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,625
@677,618 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Opinionate is not a word and I didn't say you're not really transgender. I think KL would be a much better ambassador of transgender rights than you. Don't worry, with your hysterics and emotionally based logic, I have no question that you will pass as a woman.
Opinionate is not a word and I didn't say you're not really transgender. I think KL would be a much better ambassador of transgender rights than you. Don't worry, with your hysterics and emotionally based logic, I have no question that you will pass as a woman.
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Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 9 years ago, 9 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,632
@677,624 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
> NC allows individuals to change their birth certificate after SRS, so thanks for that pointless and irrelevant trivia.
Go ahead and try looking that up. They tell you that you can but you honestly cannot. It is just like Kansas.
> Why are you so committed to coming across as hysterical and what does the Defense Contract Management Agency have to do with this? I honestly have no idea if you're trying to refer to a goddamn copyright law or DOMA, but in either case, you seriously undermine your cause by throwing these comparisons out when people are trying to engage with you. People who could be allies. I encourage you to continue, though, because that way I feel no guilt about mocking you.
DOMA, Not DCMA, I fudged a letter, my fucking bad. You are honestly going to tell me that I am alienating homosexuals by referencing a law that discriminated against them the same way these laws discriminate against us? How certain lawmakers are continuing to craft laws that specifically use transgender people as a jumping off point of stripping the entire LGBT group of their rights too? again, if you think this is just about bathrooms you are wrong.
> What
I will make it easy for you to understand. I went to an abortion clinic to get my hormones. What the hell do you think an IC clinic is?
> Well no, it won't have dreams and hopes if it's killed. Have you thought about your penis's dreams and hopes, before you cut it off? Someone should protest your SRS hospital to remind you of that.
I don't believe in killing something needlessly, so hate me for that. Women should have the right to, it is their body but I think a life is a life and that is sacred in itself. I would have had another sibling had my mother not gotten an abortion.
@previous (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/opinionate
You were saying?
> NC allows individuals to change their birth certificate after SRS, so thanks for that pointless and irrelevant trivia.
Go ahead and try looking that up. They tell you that you can but you honestly cannot. It is just like Kansas.
> Why are you so committed to coming across as hysterical and what does the Defense Contract Management Agency have to do with this? I honestly have no idea if you're trying to refer to a goddamn copyright law or DOMA, but in either case, you seriously undermine your cause by throwing these comparisons out when people are trying to engage with you. People who could be allies. I encourage you to continue, though, because that way I feel no guilt about mocking you.
DOMA, Not DCMA, I fudged a letter, my fucking bad. You are honestly going to tell me that I am alienating homosexuals by referencing a law that discriminated against them the same way these laws discriminate against us? How certain lawmakers are continuing to craft laws that specifically use transgender people as a jumping off point of stripping the entire LGBT group of their rights too? again, if you think this is just about bathrooms you are wrong.
> What
I will make it easy for you to understand. I went to an abortion clinic to get my hormones. What the hell do you think an IC clinic is?
> Well no, it won't have dreams and hopes if it's killed. Have you thought about your penis's dreams and hopes, before you cut it off? Someone should protest your SRS hospital to remind you of that.
I don't believe in killing something needlessly, so hate me for that. Women should have the right to, it is their body but I think a life is a life and that is sacred in itself. I would have had another sibling had my mother not gotten an abortion.
@previous (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/opinionate
You were saying?
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 14 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,641
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 9 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,649
@677,612 (beckyderp !Hi.HILLARY)
That's nice to hear. I think the most important starting point is having an open mind, even moreso than knowing the studies or the statistics.
I try not to be deaf to the possible risks to non-trans women either. I can admit I probably overlooked them in some of our past conversations, but I'm trying to be aware of them. I hope it is possible to find solutions that work for both parties, as time goes on.
That's nice to hear. I think the most important starting point is having an open mind, even moreso than knowing the studies or the statistics.
I try not to be deaf to the possible risks to non-trans women either. I can admit I probably overlooked them in some of our past conversations, but I'm trying to be aware of them. I hope it is possible to find solutions that work for both parties, as time goes on.
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chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 4 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,787
@677,405 (more positive squeegee)
I don't know I mean if someone said "hey I changed my name to joe" would you still insist on calling them Bob
It is not really that different to use different pronouns
I don't know I mean if someone said "hey I changed my name to joe" would you still insist on calling them Bob
It is not really that different to use different pronouns
buttons replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,789
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
My aunt changed her name when she was a Sufi and nobody in the family would use her new name and she eventually changed it back
My aunt changed her name when she was a Sufi and nobody in the family would use her new name and she eventually changed it back
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,793
@previous (buttons)
Wow that really sucks
How can you do that, you know it makes them uncomfortable and it is really not any effort on your part, it is just common fucking courtesy
Wow that really sucks
How can you do that, you know it makes them uncomfortable and it is really not any effort on your part, it is just common fucking courtesy
buttons replied with this 9 years ago, 13 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,806
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 9 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,809
@previous (buttons)
Is she still vaguely Muslim
All the Sufis I know are no longer sufi, desrcibe it as a wannabe cult, and are only vaguely Muslim. Also they are all white
Is she still vaguely Muslim
All the Sufis I know are no longer sufi, desrcibe it as a wannabe cult, and are only vaguely Muslim. Also they are all white
buttons replied with this 9 years ago, 31 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,844
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
I think she's a yogi in new Mexico now lol
on the nose about most sufis tho its funny
I think she's a yogi in new Mexico now lol
on the nose about most sufis tho its funny
lost soul joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 46 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,874
Original post is spot on
Adam Djensen joined in and replied with this 9 years ago, 1 hour later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #677,910
I think we should all become cis men