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Topic: I know I am a woman

!MLHqI35Srs started this discussion 10 years ago #51,954

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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #674,604

Make this thread again.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #674,610

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 32 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #674,627

Having a penis does not, in fact, make you a woman.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 37 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #674,651

@OP
All you desire is a female sexual role.

I'm not even trolling you. You've never expressed a want for anything else, or even a understanding of what else women do or experience.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 43 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,662

You have a fetish for being a woman. Transitioning will not make you happy, in fact I feel the opposite. I think you will be more miserable than you are now. This is such a hard road to walk and I am not walking for fun, I am not walking it because I think it is hot, I am not walking it so I can be a girl in bed. I am walking it because I must. I have no choice. I either do this or die.

Tell me about your childhood. Did you ever wear womens clothing? Did you play with dolls?

Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 31 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,675

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I used to play with Barbie dolls and stretch out my sweaters and shirts to resemble dresses and gowns.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,678

@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Welp. You were a lot like me when I was a kid. What age did you want to be a girl? Do you remember? I never played with action figures...I hated how muscly they were. I liked hotwheels too but I think those are gender neutral. I hate masculine looking bodies. I think it is why I am not attracted to men. I used to walk around with small pillows on my chest pretending they were boobs but I got in some serious trouble with my family and they beat it out of me.

I plan on buying some girly clothes when I get further in my transition, I am just not where I need to be at yet to do that.

more positive squeegee joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 18 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,679

@674,662 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
wait. you're transgendered? i didn't know that. you've been posting on this board longer than me and i had no idea. did you transition recently or a while ago? you don't have to answer personal questions, of course it's none of my business. and did everyone already know that? was i just not paying attention? or do you just not make a big deal about it.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,680

@previous (more positive squeegee)
Yes. I am. I kind of told everyone on accident last night. I didn't mean too, I just used my name and trip in a thread on accident. I have been transitioning since the beginning of march, but I had the hormones in my possession since June of last year. I just couldn't work up the courage to take them.

I am trying not to make a big deal of it but I know a lot of people have questions and I am happy to answer them.

more positive squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,683

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
huh, well i don't really have any questions, personally. i just don't like being left out of the loop. i bet you've had some interesting experiences though. if you ever wanted to share those they wouldn't go unread.

(Edited 22 seconds later.)

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,684

@previous (more positive squeegee)
I might make a thread tonight about everything. I have been through a lot these last few years, I am finally out and I feel great.

kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,685

@674,662 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
He's actually currently transitioning and has been for a long time

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,686

@674,662 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

I first dressed when I was 2 or 3, again when I was 4. By 6, I took any opportunity I could. It's a long story from there.

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,688

@674,685 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Shut the fuck up, kook.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,690

@674,685 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
> He
It is She now, thank you very much.

@674,686 (C)
You are not alone. I loved wearing panty hose because I could hide it and nobody knew I was wearing them except me. I tried suppressing it as I got older. I used Religion and food to bury my feelings. Christians think of us as Sinners for going against "gods plan".

Weezing Fled replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,692

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

I would wear panties, and hose under my clothes at school, sometimes. I also tried repressing it several times. I'd get rid of every piece of clothing I had, cut my hair, just pretend it wasn't a problem. I even got mixed up in fur faggotry for a brief time, never did anything weird. Just hung around, helped keep my mind off who I really was for a little while.

(Edited 8 minutes later.)

Anonymous D replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,693

@674,690 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)


> He
> It is She now, thank you very much.

You were born with a penis, so whether you lop it off or not, you are always going to be male.

(Edited 15 seconds later.)

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,698

@674,692 (Weezing Fled)
I did until I was caught by my dad and he tried "beating the gay out of me". I always hated cutting my hair. I have only cut it 4 times in the last 10 years. It is growing very nicely.

@previous (D)
> You were born with a penis, so whether you lop it off or not, you are always going to be male.

You have no Idea what you are talking about. I am a girl in every way except physically and I am changing that. The only reason that is a problem with you is because you only see women as sexual objects.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,702

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

I was luckily never caught. I only have them trim mine up a few inches, every so often. Helps it grow.

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,708

@674,680 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
> Yes. I am. I kind of told everyone on accident last night.

Very very strange indeed. Last night you spent exorbitant amounts of time trying to prove Trans people are happy.
Clearly you are not what you told me or tried to prove to me.

Of course you will come back with hate against my need to be honest. You will tell me I am wrong and you are right - Hummmmmm Except clearly your not thrilled with wot you have become.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,709

@674,702 (C)
Barbers always butcher my hair. Now that I am starting to look like a girl I won't worry about it as much. My dad and grandma used to take me for haircuts and would tell me I would get to pick it out "this time" and would have my head shaved. I haven't really had a decent haircut for 3 years.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,714

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

Yeah, buzz cuts were a staple of my pre-teen/early teen years. Partly because I did JROTC as something to help me forget, plus I learned to fly a plane.

There's a ton of barbers and beauticians here, so if I don't like one I can try another. I don't get anything fancy, though. 1-2 inches off, layered. I like the way my hair naturally hangs.

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kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,720

@674,688 (E)
Make me

kook !!mCVqftDha double-posted this 10 years ago, 22 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,721

@674,690 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
You don't tell me what words to use

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,722

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
You go girl. Don't let that twink upset you.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,730

@674,714 (C)
I want to get layered hair too. Maybe when my hair thickens up from the AA's

@674,721 (kook !!mCVqftDha)

I will continually correct you then.

@previous (K)
I am not a twink, I am transgender.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 22 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,732

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Have fun with that honey.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,735

@674,730 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

Kook's just trolling you, she cool.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,746

@previous (C)
No I'm not

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 16 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,759

@674,730 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
This thread confuses me.

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Anonymous K replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,761

@674,730 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Let me correct my reply.
Size 13 dress. That makes you a very obese twink.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,764

@previous (K)

You know nothing about dress sizes. lol.

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 16 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,765

@674,720 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
The thought of subjugating a developmentally disabled hirsuited hermaphrodite isn't as appealing as you might imagine.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 23 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,766

@previous (E)
Then stop trying.

Anonymous K replied with this 10 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,770

@674,764 (C)
Woman who wear size 13 always look somewhat pregnant. Stomach bump that does not go away. Not unless its in some tent form.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,771

@previous (K)

Or they're tall.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,774

@674,770 (K)
@674,761 (K)
I don't wear a size 13 dress. I wear a size 13 shoe dumbass. I still went through male puberty.

@674,765 (E)
You would know, wouldn't you.

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,775

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
And a very feminine size shoe that is not

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,776

@previous (M)
No, it isn't. I will totally agree with that. If I ever lose my feet to diabeetus i want girl sized robofeet.

buttons joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 15 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,777

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Size 13 just like Peggy hill

buttons double-posted this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,779

@674,776 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Nvm she's sixteen and half

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,780

@674,776 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

There's no set guidelines on what size feet women can have, women come in all shapes and sizes.

@previous (buttons)

She is 15 in Women's sizes.

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Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,781

Externally hosted image@674,777 (buttons)
HO YEAH!

Nexus !jNexusRe/. double-posted this 10 years ago, 57 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,782

@674,780 (C)
Exactly. There is no set size for hands either. I have some man hands going...they are pretty big.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,783

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

I inherited my dad's hand. Kind of big, but skinny. I just try not to let preconceived notions get me down, in general. They're from a stupider, more ignorant time.

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 25 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,787

@674,766 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
I don't want to subjugate you kookie, I just want to shut your dumb fucking mouth when it's forming strings of words you hardly understand.

Anonymous K replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,789

@previous (E)
I decoded your word salad to kook.

You want to make mad passionate love to her. You just find it difficult to tell her how you feel about your love for her.

I think she is just super. One of the best people here.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,793

@674,787 (E)
that will never happen

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 16 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,797

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
You might get throat cancer, if the good Lord is willing. My faith will endure.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,801

@previous (E)
I will still type. and type, and type, and type

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,804

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)

Go for it, Kook. I believe in you!

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 16 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,812

@674,801 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Do you ever do woodworking? If all of your fingertips were sheared off in a freak tablesaw accident I'd definitely start tithing again.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 28 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,821

@previous (E)
No matter what happens to my corporeal form, I will always come back to haunt you

RWBY Rhubarb? !!ZwtbVjser joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,836

@674,721 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Is it really such a big deal to use female pronouns with somebody, if they ask you to? Nexus even went into detail about how she's a legit transsexual, so she's not one of those "fakes" that you get worried about.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 10 years ago, 21 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,837

@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!ZwtbVjser)
Tripcode correction. Fug.

Anti !M6R0eWkIpk joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 25 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,848

@674,801 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Although it would be neat if you just uploaded your posts as a bunch of vocaroos using an electrolarynx.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,884

@674,662 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Don't make unsubstantiated claims out of projection. Most transwomen have underdiagnosed BPD and/or NBPD ('narcissism with borderline characteristics') and do this often as a signaller of their own legitimacy.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 34 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,886

@674,836 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!ZwtbVjser)
He used an informed consent clinic. That's really just a fancy way of saying it's a hormone abuser. No psychiatric oversight, nothing.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) triple-posted this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,889

I thought I would add a few further cents of wisdom to this:

Transgenderism presents itself differently in autist cases. It's often mistaken for an obsessive preoccupation, when it (the "obsessive preoccupation" in question) is actually over the excessive prohibition caretakers, both medicinal and not, take against the said autist's proclivities. You will hear them express their preference for internal identification with the female gender much more literally, and it will often be mistaken for taking a delusional form; in actuality, this is merely the high time-preferentiality state of many cases of autistic thinking, a preference for 'here and now', hence, whatever they feel is as good as what they are. If clarification is pressed for, you'll find that they are actually quite insightful, but are merely acting in a conviction-preserving capacity when making such assertions about their sense of internal self, knowing time and other people's interest in them as limited (the latter is something to which the autist is especially aware the more high functioning they are), and past experience towards them nothing short of antagonistic.

Q.E.D. Autistic "obsessive paraphillia" is a consequence of neurotypicals taking my behaviour deceptively and prevaricatively out of context.

(Edited 3 minutes later.)

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,892

@674,886 (!MLHqI35Srs)
Nexus has already explained that there was heavy, detailed oversight in her transition.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,894

@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, he simply expected the practitioner to take it on his word, if you'd read between the lines. It would be dismissed out of hand in clinical practice here.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 21 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,903

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)
この糸出る

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,904

@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
It is mine. Get fucked.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 52 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,909

@674,709 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Ever tried cutting your own hair? Strikes me as something you'd find satisfying once you got the hang of it. Surprisingly easy too

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 39 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,922

@674,889 (!MLHqI35Srs)
Why do you never express any desire to be a woman beyond a juvenile conception of female sexuality?

beckyphone joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,926

What

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,928

@674,884 (!MLHqI35Srs)
> Don't make unsubstantiated claims out of projection. Most transwomen have underdiagnosed BPD and/or NBPD
You are projecting now. I have neither of these personality disorders. Your doctor saying you have "inappropriate co-opting of female sexual characteristics" shows this. You fetishize being a woman and the "comfort" that comes with it. You view women as sexual objects and they are not that at all. You have a serious mental disorder and you are wanting to transition for all of the wrong reasons and your doctor has realized this. You would not be happy as a girl any more than you would be happy as a man.

You make degrading, over simplified rationalizations about women and it is disgusting.

@674,886 (!MLHqI35Srs)
I see two therapists and a psychologist. I am not "abusing" hormones. I take them because all of the medical professionals I have seen have each given me a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria. I went to an IC clinic because It is simply the best in my town to get Trans care. They understand there and know which hormones at which doses to prescribe. Most of the doctors out here refer you to there.
@674,892 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Thank you.

@674,894 (!MLHqI35Srs)
Yes, they took my word for it because I was honest with them. I didn't try to deceive them, I was kind of hoping one of them would tell me I didn't have to transition and I just needed to take these anti-depressants and it would go away. Your problem is you expect doctors to give you hormones just because you want them. You don't need them, you need serious mental help to deal with your issues.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. double-posted this 10 years ago, 53 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,929

@674,909 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
I don't want to fuck it up. I spent a good 9 months growing my hair out and I don't want it short again.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 18 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,946

@674,904 (!MLHqI35Srs)

Kys, delusional drag queen.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 21 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,954

@674,922 (E)
[citation needed]
@674,928 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Unsubtantiated aspersions. You're telling me things which don't accord with my sense of self, and it is extremely dismissively unempathetic, suggesting there's something deeper, probably in the realm of an expression of latent narcissistic characteristics, to your purported feelings of gender incongruity.
Your therapists were appeasing you because you were studiously malignering in the meticulous review of diagnostic manuals to avoid expressing other disorders and don't have the stigma of pre-existing conditions making it impossible to be taken as being sincere. Accusations of "pathological lying" and "inappropriateness", both constructively invalid concepts for they are unverifiable, can usually be traced to therapeutic countertransferrence, such that had been invoked of my therapist as soon as they had irresponsibly invoked my ire by commiserating with my mother's deception when interviewing us mutually. The insincerity of my mother and the unquestioning belief of my therapist caused a melt-down. My therapist had apparently been so aggrived by this that she wanted revenge by then. You know nothing about my case history or the lack of rigour in such a throw-away diagnosis.

Also, don't steal words out of my mouth and try to misattributed those sentiments to yourself; somebody so lacking in insight as you had no right to say they're being honest. I'd love to see you processed through an NHS shill.

(Edited 31 seconds later.)

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,958

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)
I'm not citing every post you've every made. If you have non sexual desires you've never communicated them.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,959

@previous (E)
That's because the onus is on you to ask that. I'm not a telepath and I'm not going to TMI. Sex is different. I don't see sex as being gendered, it is nothing to me compared to what it is I actually feel, believe it or not, hence my lack of reservations about sex. Logic, little boy. Lrn2.

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,963

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)
That's incoherent. You don't have to follow societal norms about what's appropriate to share, but when you skew and invert them don't try to make it my issue.

You are one of the least logical people I've ever come across. I don't know if that would be different if your psychoses were managed; as it stands it's kind of sad and uncomfortable to hear you attempt to use that as a defense.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,964

@previous (E)
It's not about societal norms but my norms of behaviour, which I would call natural norms; most people will be unwilling to share information beyond what they're asked. This could be due to laziness and intransigence, for example, as opposed to reluctance proper, but it generally falls under the field of "this makes me too performance-anxious to articulate". So it would be much more so in a sufferer of Asperger's syndrome since that happens to be a feature. You've reified it to incoherence because you're only interested in answering those parameters of the proposition which you've comfortably fit per the manipulation of their constitutent goal-posts. It is you forging incoherence by way of bad interpretation; ironically enough, so it is in my expressive performance, so the same phenomenon goes for your reception.

I'm perfectly logical. My verbal-analogies sub-section was high enough.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 16 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,968

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)

See @674,946 (C)


On a not Christopher related note:

My psychiatrist found a hormone specialist in El Paso, who accepts my insurance. I also found out last night, that there is an estrogen prescription that my insurance covers. All around a pretty good start to the day.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,971

@previous (C)
I'm calling troll-bait.

Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,972

@674,928 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)

> >Don't make unsubstantiated claims out of projection. Most transwomen have underdiagnosed BPD and/or NBPD
> You are projecting now. I have neither of these personality disorders. Your doctor saying you have "inappropriate co-opting of female sexual characteristics" shows this. You fetishize being a woman and the "comfort" that comes with it. You view women as sexual objects and they are not that at all. You have a serious mental disorder and you are wanting to transition for all of the wrong reasons and your doctor has realized this. You would not be happy as a girl any more than you would be happy as a man.
>
> You make degrading, over simplified rationalizations about women and it is disgusting.
>
>
> I see two therapists and a psychologist. I am not "abusing" hormones. I take them because all of the medical professionals I have seen have each given me a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria. I went to an IC clinic because It is simply the best in my town to get Trans care. They understand there and know which hormones at which doses to prescribe. Most of the doctors out here refer you to there.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Yes, they took my word for it because I was honest with them. I didn't try to deceive them, I was kind of hoping one of them would tell me I didn't have to transition and I just needed to take these anti-depressants and it would go away. Your problem is you expect doctors to give you hormones just because you want them. You don't need them, you need serious mental help to deal with your issues.


Phag, its wobki. i just wanted to let you know i agree with the ladies in this thread. And yes, they are ladies, you are not. You are just delusional and you do view women as sexual objects, and objects of submission, and thats what you want to be. fuck off, we arent that.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,974

@previous (S)
You're engaging in similarly unsubstantiated claims about my views of women. Believe it or not, my psychiatrist made similar projections. These will be appropriately addressed, with logic and reasoning, the two pillars of Aspergian sanatan racial-hypermale (a race-religion, rather than a gender identity) thought, when I do get the opportunity. Predictably, when I'd sent the letter, she had made the short-running of my case by further delaying the appointment to extents unreasonable.

(Edited 43 seconds later.)

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 20 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,983

they are unsubstantiated and thats why multiple people are coming to the same conclusion about you? people who dont even know eachother and have never spoken? no, sorry but since the only variable that remains the same is you, it clearly is you that is the issue. there is plenty of fact to what we have to say.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,986

@674,974 (!MLHqI35Srs)

He's right, you delusional drag queen. You just can't see it, because you're swimming so deep in your own bullshit. All you really crave, is to be some dude's sex slave. Which, for some stupid reason, you believe you HAVE to be a woman to do so. Just accept that you're a faggot, go suck some guy's dick, and quit giving transwomen a bad name. You festering piece of human excrement. Thanks.

(Edited 48 seconds later.)

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,988

@674,954 (!MLHqI35Srs)
Trannies like to call other trannies fake when one of them is "problematic" or embarrassing. It's cruel. I'm sorry.

kook !!mCVqftDha double-posted this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,992

@674,836 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!ZwtbVjser)
I find it offensive when trannies call other trannies fake. Because it's usually because they think that particular person makes the "cause" look bad. Also no one is going to force me to use certain words.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,997

@674,988 (kook !!mCVqftDha)

> Trannies like to call other trannies fake when one of them is "problematic" or embarrassing. It's cruel. I'm sorry.

except medical professionals are saying phag isnt actually trans. its a fucking medical diagnosis. hes not trans. end of fucking story.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #674,999

@previous (S)
No they're not, they're pre-emptively saying these things ex nihilo without way of consultation of me in-depth, based on the aspersions casted against me by a corrupt ex-head of a GIC working with Marr (my previous doctor) back in April 2014. The extent to which it was discussed with me was precisely: nothing. Still, I will fight this, it constitutes consummate malpractice.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 16 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,001

@674,997 (S)
They haven't agreed yet. Also we have many trannies here that haven't been diagnosed.
If you think that they are fake, please state so now under your trip name. Thanks

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,003

@674,983 (S)
> appeal to consensus
@674,986 (C)
> fucktarded noise that's consequent to a literal belief of such a narrative

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 12 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,004

@674,999 (!MLHqI35Srs)

> No they're not, they're pre-emptively saying these things ex nihilo without way of consultation of me in-depth, based on the aspersions casted against me by a corrupt ex-head of a GIC working with Marr (my previous doctor) back in April 2014. The extent to which it was discussed with me was precisely: nothing. Still, I will fight this, it constitutes consummate malpractice.

you are a delusional conspiracy theorist. you think everything is a conspiracy against you. get over yourself.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,005

@675,003 (!MLHqI35Srs)
You know how catty trannies are. I hope that you get your diagnosis before anyone else on this site.

kook !!mCVqftDha double-posted this 10 years ago, 29 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,006

@675,004 (S)
Tell us which of our trannies are fake.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 24 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,007

@675,001 (kook !!mCVqftDha)

> They haven't agreed yet. Also we have many trannies here that haven't been diagnosed.
> If you think that they are fake, please state so now under your trip name. Thanks


i dont have a trip name, i dont post here. i was linked to the thread and just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. phag pisses me off to no end in our irc channel, he tries to claim i am a tranny and talks mad shit, and the sad part is i was nice to him.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 5 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,008

@675,003 (!MLHqI35Srs)

If we're wrong, why are you so mad?

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 52 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,009

@675,004 (S)
When they can be extrapolated from the facts, then "conspiracy theorism" isn't a slur, but a matter of the factuality of things.
Conspiracy has a much simpler definition than the connotations of speculation you grant to it.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 26 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,010

@675,007 (S)
Show us the chat logs where you were nice

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 23 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,011

and on that note, i dont know any of you, and i dont think or care if any of you are fake. i just know phag, and his insanity. after listening to the things he rants about, is of my opinion he is just a fetishist and nothing more. I have no issues with the rest of you. you do you, ladies. <3

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 33 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,012

@675,008 (C)
> no empathy
That isn't my sentiment. I'm too empty for emotion and wrought with the betrayal of outsiders far more consequential than yourself for any residual indignation to be directed at you, believe it or not.

@675,007 (S)
> i was nice to him
It was contrived. Anyone can see that.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 22 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,013

@675,010 (kook !!mCVqftDha)

> Show us the chat logs where you were nice

chat logs from 2 computers and over a year or two ago? yeah okay. thats gonna happen.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 50 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,014

@675,010 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
She wasn't. She was just passive-aggressive, whilst *feeling* she was nice because that's what estrogen does.
@675,011 (S)
Yes, because that's what I've told you, not because it's a complete overview.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,015

@675,013 (S)
What nice did you post under when you talked to Sophie? Are you on the farms currently?

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 9 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,016

@675,012 (!MLHqI35Srs)

Sure you are.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 12 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,017

@675,014 (!MLHqI35Srs)
What name does she use?

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 25 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,018

@675,016 (C)
It's a hallmark of BPD betrayal-indignation cycles. 'Tard.

I'm not even denying that I have a personality disorder, I just feel it's been unfairly conflated in an attempt to delegitimate entirely seperate matters.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 18 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,019

@675,017 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
She's wobki, but doesn't post on the 'farms. It's the #ncr IRC channel she hails from.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 0 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,020

@675,014 (!MLHqI35Srs)

> She wasn't. She was just passive-aggressive, whilst *feeling* she was nice because that's what estrogen does.
>
> Yes, because that's what I've told you, not because it's a complete overview.

phag, whatever dude. you can say whatever you want but its all crazy baloney. i dont care what you think. I came here to laugh at your crazyness and poke a bit of fun, nothing more.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,021

@675,018 (!MLHqI35Srs)

Ok, Christopher2MadSox.

(Edited 11 seconds later.)

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 28 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,023

yeah i just go on irc i dont go on any image boards or follow any drama (other than phag cos he comes around and shits up the irc talking about feeding babies semen and how all men should be forcibly feminized and made to wear diapers). I dont have time for that shit. it gets real old real quick.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 50 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,025

@675,021 (C)
Is [meaninglessdeadname]2[delusionallyattributedfalsehood]sox the running formula of your ineffectual denigrations?
You might want to think of something less trite and more innovative.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 28 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,026

@675,023 (S)
You're a 'tard if you think I was being remotely serious about any of that.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,027

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)

> You're a 'tard if you think I was being remotely serious about any of that.

then why say any of it? were you just joking about murdering hazlegrove too? so you are just a first class bullshitter? or what? you think those kinds of jokes are funny and acceptable? what the fuck is wrong with you that you think saying shit like that is okay? dude seriously fuck. you hurt my brain.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 2 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,028

@674,992 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Those "certain words", in this case, are nothing more than just swapping the pronouns for somebody. Why's that a problem? It's just a small courtesy, really.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,029

@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
A common courtesy you hypocritically provide to those who have surely calculated what it means to procure a gender dysphoria diagnosis whilst feeling the rush of an autofetishistic thrill to the deception accrued in obtaining so illegitimately such a misplacement of courteousness.

(Edited 27 seconds later.)

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,030

@675,027 (S)
Oh no, she has prohibited quite a bit beyond her station, and we'll be having words which may impact greatly the course of her potential murder or, indeed, prospective sparing.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,031

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)

> Oh no, she has prohibited quite a bit beyond her station, and we'll be having words which may impact greatly the course of her potential murder or, indeed, prospective sparing.

well i will be sending a copy of this page to hazlegrove, and some other choice logs of yours phag. I want haslegrove to see how you act online first hand :)

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,035

@previous (S)
You do that. All of you do that. I will address the evidentiary exhibits. I will deconstruct, decouple, and analytically contextualize each one, for the full benefit of the understanding to the extent which this sort of conspiracy indeed extends beyond herself, and for which she needn't feel a self-entitlement to the accredition of her own efforts, a misplace delusion of her omnipotence.

(Edited 25 seconds later.)

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,037

@675,025 (!MLHqI35Srs)

Actually, that was me walking away from your senseless drivel. There is no reasoning with someone suffering from psychosis.

(Edited 13 seconds later.)

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 40 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,038

@previous (C)
Haselgrove was the judge of that, and deemed me to be exhibiting no psychotic behaviours.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 38 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,040

@675,035 (!MLHqI35Srs)

> You do that. All of you do that. I will address the evidentiary exhibits. I will deconstruct, decouple, and analytically contextualize each one, for the full benefit of the understanding to the extent which this sort of conspiracy indeed extends beyond herself, and for which she needn't feel a self-entitlement to the accredition of her own efforts, a misplace delusion of her omnipotence.

you do that, bro.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 6 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,041

@675,028 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Because I wasn't asked nicely. Also Nexus refuses to use proper pronouns for trannies that he feels are problematic. I don't abide by that behavior

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,043

@675,038 (!MLHqI35Srs)

I think we just found the real misdiagnosis.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,044

@675,041 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
I didn't notice nor had cared. However, if he's doing that to me, I've the position that he simply isn't referring to me; misgendering has a certain quality of strawman such that it can be dismissed of its significance as easily as it can be overly interpreted of its intended impact. I refuse to lend myself to the emotional, estrogenically-addled reasoning of these transvestitically malignering curs. Kook, I feel a manic ambrosia rushing me away, as if my Nationalsocialistiche conscience has returned to save me from the ennuoa of being unable to integrate into the world in the way I feel most congruent with my natural characteristics; it is the ultimate recourse, to appeal to a nature-based ideology in leui of being denied their truer nature.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,045

@675,041 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Hmm. Allright. So you would, hypothetically, extend that courtesy to a transsexual who you felt was polite?

I still think you're being needlessly rude to Nexus, but at least you're not completely closed off to the idea.

I don't

@675,029 (!MLHqI35Srs)
No, I just don't bother with you because you are constantly abrasive and rude, and extend zero courtesy yourself. Nothing to do with the specifics of your transsexuality, just your personality.

Anonymous S replied with this 10 years ago, 35 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,046

@675,044 (!MLHqI35Srs)

> I didn't notice nor had cared. However, if he's doing that to me, I've the position that he simply isn't referring to me; misgendering has a certain quality of strawman such that it can be dismissed of its significance as easily as it can be overly interpreted of its intended impact. I refuse to lend myself to the emotional, estrogenically-addled reasoning of these transvestitically malignering curs. Kook, I feel a manic ambrosia rushing me away, as if my Nationalsocialistiche conscience has returned to save me from the ennuoa of being unable to integrate into the world in the way I feel most congruent with my natural characteristics; it is the ultimate recourse, to appeal to a nature-based ideology in leui of being denied their truer nature.

i think i might have the perfect dressing for this salad.

Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,051

@674,678 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I played (still do) with wrestling figures too.

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,056

I was going to keep engaging respectfully, Sophie seems (by his standards) unguarded today. But y'all went and turned this thread into an overlong word salad party with kook and Cathy dressing. You fucking assholes.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,072

@previous (E)
I don't care. Engage me if you want.

buttons replied with this 10 years ago, 8 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,073

@675,041 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
You're literally doing it in that post
You do that shit all the time
Lol you crazy as hell

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 29 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,086

@675,072 (!MLHqI35Srs)
I do think your autism does result in a gendered experience that's unrelatable to most of us, but I was asking what your non sexual feelings and desires are. Your willingness to divulge aspects of your psyche we see as bizarre while hiding those that are more normal makes understanding your desire to transition difficult.

I don't want you to feel anxious or uncomfortable. You don't have to bare your soul. Just be more honest, if not with us than with your care providers. You obsfucate and resort to unrelatable language when you feel threatened. That's not a behavior that will help you achieve what you desire.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,101

@previous (E)
It's as simple as this: I've an intuitive knowing that being male isn't right for me, and doesn't accord with certain characteristics, which go deeper than superficial, base sexual (strictly in terms of sexual behaviour, that is to clarify) ones. In the few opportunities in which I've been able to befriend Aspergian women, I've gotten along with them much better and less awkwardly than my male counterparts (Ginger, my old philosophical partner who later betrayed me; even Emma), and I feel as if I socialize in a more inherently feminine way, with a preference for the discussion of the intangibly qualitative, touchy-feely, and abstract, versus the concrete, systemic, and solely intellectual. It's subtle, in the way I do this, clouded in such a discourse as philosophy.

You'll note that I deal with a fusion of spirituality and strictly philologically-iterative preposition; such an admixture is actually common to Aspie females, as I was to find in my brief dabblings in Wrongplanet (sadly, feminist beta-femalewhores who had been neuroleptically drugged of all that essence and turned into stereotypically 'hypermale' rote-automatons would kill my discussions with these women and ban me). Strictly logical thinking bores me if there's a better way to thatch it in a discourse with the occultic, esoteric, and intrinsically meaningful. These are completely alien traits to the majority of men, religious maniacs (and hence, neurofemales) notwithstanding.

I think relationally, a lot, even if I don't do it very well, due to empathetic deficits (which does not accord with 'empathetic dearth'); I'm willing to apply what little I have more irrespective of limitation, and feel more driven to it irrespective of this deficit. Strict focus on discipline not only bores me, but upsets me, and makes me slightly dysphoric for it becomes immediately apparent that I'm engaging in male endeavours (hence I hadn't been able to take things like programming, mathematics, etc. as far as I wanted to, and only ever learned to achieve a high level of writing as a skill). On the same token, I've a great degree of social anxiety which prohibits me from investing trust except in those strict instances where there is a deep socio-spiritual connection. It can be Borderline Personality Disorder, except in such individuals, the betrayal is perceived rather than absolute. Experientialy speaking, slightly more often than not, I can trace my betrayal to tangible events.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,119

@675,073 (buttons)
I know exactly what I'm doing. Thanks

buttons replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,125

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Being a hypocrite to prove a point? Backing the wrong horse? What u doing

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,126

@previous (buttons)
I'm saying that why should I use the right pronouns when other trannies won't do so? If pronouns are determined by a popularity contest, than they must not be that important.
Also it's very horrible to say that certain people aren't women because of politics or a lack of medical care. If I can't do it, than other people can't either.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,127

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Oh kook.

Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,128

@675,101 (!MLHqI35Srs)
You'll never get over the fact that even Caitlyn Jenner is more convincing a "woman" than you. So why live?

Anonymous M replied with this 10 years ago, 31 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,129

@675,126 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
The right way to describe Sophie. Drag Queen in training.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,130

@675,128 (T)
Erm, I really don't care who's more convincing.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 31 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,131

@675,128 (T)
Caitlyn Jenner is a rich fuck

(Edited 10 seconds later.)

kook !!mCVqftDha double-posted this 10 years ago, 36 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,132

@675,129 (M)
Literally no different from any other tranny

buttons replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,133

@675,126 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
That doesn't make any sense.
If its horrible to misgender someone then why do you do it constantly? If you cared, wouldn't you lead by example instead of misgendering people out of spite Or to prove a point about 'trannies' being hypocrites when it's just nexus calling Sophie out on their Insane bullshit
Whatever kook

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 37 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,145

@previous (buttons)
I don't care because I'm not a tranny. But trannies are supposed to care and they clearly do not.

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,153

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
You are getting increasingly crazy.

Anonymous M replied with this 10 years ago, 10 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,154

@675,145 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
> But trannies are supposed to care and they clearly do not.
Trannies care enough to work as Drag Queens.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,160

@675,153 (E)
Yeah I'm the crazy one

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,170

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Not the kind of crazy that gets better with treatment.

Just dumb willful derangement.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,174

@previous (E)
I don't care. If I'm crazy to be a cis drop in an ocean of people with gender dysphoria, I'm okay with it.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,184

This thread went from shit, to grate, to word salad, to shit again.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 45 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,186

@675,170 (E)
A prejudice isn't untreatable. According to a university lecturer of mine, all it takes to stop one is lots of positive interactions with a variety of people from the given group. So, eventually, the prejudice is seen to be incorrect.

Of course, that's not a path that a typical bigot would willingly go down in the first place, or even entertain.

Anonymous K replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,196

@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Nor is that a path that fits typical chan communications. Chan shit is a back and forth mix of politically incorrect and then on occasion some sobering thoughts.

Typically if it fits it will not stick.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,199

@675,186 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Positivity of interaction with people who are only superficially pleasant, but otherwise obviously jarringly grating to the core of their charactreristic weaknesses reqires the perceptiveness of the interactor to be in question to begin with. It's as such that 'open minded' idiots really aren't all that perceptive at all, and hence negroids get away with pulling airs of superficial charm to fool unsuspecting Whites, just to bring up one hypothetical example.

(Edited 3 minutes later.)

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 48 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,201

@675,186 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I spend a lot of my time in academia, that sort of thinking isn't based on science, it's based on the worst sort of wishful prescriptivist liberal half truths that make regular people hate us.

Kook is prejudiced. She isn't a bigot. She genuinely cares for and will support people from the groups she holds painfully dumb opinions about. What bothers me is her literally crazy reactions when participating in discussions about things like race or gender. She just can't help but embarrass and contradict what meager values she has.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,206

@previous (E)
> that sort of thinking isn't based on science, it's based on the worst sort of wishful prescriptivist liberal half truths that make regular people hate us.
Uhhh, it is based in science. Psychologists have carried out studies to reach that conclusion. Though, given that you've gone to talking about the liberal boogeyman, I'm not sure a conversation with you will be as productive as I first thought.

@675,196 (K)
Well, yeah. It's unlikely that anyone will have a revelation of that type around here. And the fact that we're faceless people chatting via text probably weakens the effect, too.

buttons replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,213

@675,145 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
You're basing that on nexus' opinion that Sophie is a fetishist? Lol ok

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,219

@previous (buttons)
Yes because it's typical. Trannies love to discount other trannies when they disrupt the narrative

buttons replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,227

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Oh ok

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,233

@675,219 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Do you actually know any trans people? Everyone I know is ridiculously supportive or doesn't care (in a positive way). Trans ppl really help each other out a lot

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,240

@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Yes I do and they infight like motherfuckers. They are a hundred times more catty than bio women. I blame the estrogen juicing.

Anonymous C replied with this 10 years ago, 40 seconds later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,242

@675,233 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)

As a trans person, I can confirm this.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,251

@675,240 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Idk the only really intense/aggro people I know are not on hormones
One is trans but they r all streetkids

Anonymous E replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,267

@675,206 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
I know the study you're referring to. It's of low quality and became notable because of media attention.

There is no liberal boogeyman, but psychology and sociology both suffer from our willingness to make claims that fit our political ideology well before they're borne out in replicated research of decent quality.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 20 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,280

@previous (E)
It's not just one study saying that. Lots of studies have found that personal, positive contact with group will decrease prejudice.

...As it so happens, there's even a name for it. The Contact Hypothesis. Here's a Wikipedia article on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_hypothesis

It's pretty big, but I think the most important part is:
Most recently, meta-analytic evidence of 515 separate studies has provided strong evidence to support its claims. Specifically, this extensive analysis found that face-to-face contact between group members significantly reduced prejudice; the more contact groups had, the less prejudice group members reported.

Seems like a scientifically-validated psychological effect to me.

Anonymous J replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,292

@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
That contact familiarity might lead one to expect UK to have no or few problems with Muslims.

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,297

@previous (J)
It doesn't work if the groups keep to themselves. Or hardly ever meet in person.

Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 44 seconds later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,299

@675,280 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)

I've been around many transsexuals and my opinion of them hasn't improved at all. They've actually deteriorated in to thinking that 9 out of 10 trannies are personality disorder/autistic people who want societal acceptance without putting in any actual work. Most trannies are addicted to drugs, bad philosphy and introspective illusions.

(Edited 3 minutes later.)

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,303

@previous (U)
That's how it is for me as well

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #675,304

@675,299 (U)
What is bad philosophy, to you? What is delusional in quality about introspection except that it refuses to accord with an unnatural imposition of consensus?

RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,308

@675,299 (U)
As the article says, prejudice won't decrease if the contact creates anxiety, or if it's brief and doesn't include any positive aspects.

Really, breaking a prejudice wouldn't mean suddenly thinking that all transsexuals are great, or even okay. Just coming to realise that they're individuals, and stereotyping them by their transsexuality isn't an accurate viewpoint.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,456

@674,954 (!MLHqI35Srs)
> I can use a thesaurus so I must be right.
You are so full of shit its coming out of your ears. Even your therapist(s) sees this. You are projecting your anger against your therapists and them denying you having a verifiable case of Gender Dysphoria against me, when in reality I don't really give two shits. Personally I am glad your doctors saw through your bullshit and realized how many screws you really have loose. You believe your therapist is trying to somehow derail you transitioning when in reality you need help, not hormones. Go ahead and keep foaming out of the mouth and continue making an ass of yourself.
You are fetishizing being a woman and that is not what this is about at all.

I wouldn't have any issues going through a gender clinic like the NHS system, Ill make this simple for you, I WAS BORN THIS WAY, I HAVE GENDER DYSPHORIA. personally I think it is great to have gate keeping because it weeds people like you who do not need hormones out.

@674,972 (S)
Hi syntax.

@675,041 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Jenner feels that the pronouns that are used do not matter. Why should I respect calling her "she" when she will not extend me that same courtesy? If someone is transgender and wants to be called she or he that is fine with me, I will use the proper pronoun, I don't care what kind of person they are. Telling the entire world that it is irrelevant hurts our cause. In any other situation I would use the proper pronouns for Jenner if they hadn't went on national TV and said they didn't care, but the fact that you are supporting Jenner shows you have no Idea what the fuck you are talking about. The fact that you call us trannies shows your loathing and discontent for us.

@675,045 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Because I won't disagree with their therapist. I think their therapist is right. This is such a hard road to walk and people make it sound so easy.

Syntax replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,462

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Wot the fuck. I am in this thread Anon but really - Anon S who is clearly in drag queen in training. Must be the crappy fone you use.

(Edited 21 seconds later.)

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,473

@675,456 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I hate Bruce Jenner,idiot.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,474

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
I do too, why are you defending Jenner when Jenner said that proper gender pronouns did not matter?

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,476

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I'm not defending Jenner specifically. I'm defending the idea of his gender. In your eyes, he should be a woman no matter his politics.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,497

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Jenner is a woman, I just think there is far more behind this transition. If Jenner really wanted to help the transgender community they wouldn't be acting this way. The pronouns are important and if someone claims they are not I will not use the proper pronouns.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,502

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Lol okay

Anonymous K replied with this 10 years ago, 8 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,503

@675,497 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Jenner is a dude. Dressed up as a woman. Just playing Halloween except for more days.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,519

@previous (K)
Jenner has has multiple surgeries. That's not something you do for Halloween. I may not like Jenner, Personally I think Jenner is a piece of shit but I will defend their right to transition.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,843

@675,456 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
It's the cry of a malignerer when all you have to substantiate slurs against me (the still-unproven logic that I'm a fetishist, and the idea that my therapist really had the time to speak about this to me in-depth when she had shown a patent lack of concern for what little I actually did say to her, such that she made her own implicit assumptions) is to bolster your own errant legitimacy, when both are fallacies of assertion and systemic appeal.

Anyway, they're giving me no help. The narcissistic bitch, and I take this from a maxim about narcissists, "strategically employing negligence to deviously ruin others whilst maintaining plausible deniability", has yet to give me an appointment in the period of about 6 months, whilst trashing my (non-existent, and it disproves her rationale for my suicide; I'd never "cry for help" from her just I'd never cry for help from anyone) referral to a GIC. (The implication being, even though there was no GIC referral, there is now a moratorium blacklist in place for any future referrals.) Based on what? The unsubstantiated proclamations of a previous therapist who'd barely ever spoken to me. It was from their mouths that the slur of "inappropriately adopted female characreristics" got uttered, and that's basically just a constructively invalid prejudice against the nature of autism (individuality is aggressively proscribed against irrespective of the form it takes in individuals on the spectrum), when one reads the literature in more detail.

Even the diagnosis was a devious shitlister. BPD is basically "don't touch this, they're pathological liars and subhumans because we say so" the condition. It had hardly an iota of medical legitimacy in the circumstances they had mostly accrued with their constant conspiring against me, now proven in the above-listed events.

You've reftued nothing, you're still just a crafty, overly-'persistent' (read: obsessive) neurotypical hebephrenic in my eyes.

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Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,866

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)
You threatened to kill your doctor dude. You are as un-fucking-stable as the come. This behaviour,,right here is why your therapist will not allow you to transition.

You really want to fix your life? Admit You need help dealing with your BPD and your autism. Dr Haselgrove is trying to help you.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,867

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I don't think these should mutually exclude my gender-transitory desires. I'd acknowledge help if she gave a shit about realizing just how seperate in quality and nature these are to the rest of the problems I have. It's pretty much my sole argument at this juncture. I do think, though, that she is using the BPD as a means to discredit me more than address any problem. That much is a pervasive, well-documented problem in clinical practice.

(Edited 3 minutes later.)

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,871

@675,866 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Additionally: autism is not a primary psychiatric disorder in that it is incurable; as a developmental neurological disorder, there is no recourse to its treatment using psychopharmacological therapies since the aetiology of the condition is not in neurochemical illness but in aberrantly differential neurodevelopmental trajectory. As such, arguing there needs to be help for autism as an argument against transitioning is a bogus and speculatively misleading one.
No, I'm not using a thesaurus. These are established facts, that some of the more cynical, renegade psychiatrists I've talked to, have deliberately attempted to ignore and massage, never consulting these cynicisms of theirs with me, of course (I can overhear conversations when they go to convene with their colleagues in the hallway in nearly every instance I go to see them; sensory hypersensitivity is a positive in this case).

(Edited 44 seconds later.)

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,885

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)
Arguing with them will get you nowhere. If you really want to take hormones go the DIY route, plenty of people do. I will help you with sites that will ship to your country. Other than that you have to listen to them and stop threatening them because it is only hurting your cause. Instead of sounding like someone who is desperate for help, you sound like someone who is desperate for hormones and your doctors see that psychologically you are not ready for taking such a huge step. You are not mentally prepared enough. How are you going to react when someone calls you by the wrong pronoun? How are you going to react if the hormones do not give you the results you want? You didn't take this into consideration but your doctor did.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,889

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
Actually I was self-medding already and I did react pretty violently to the wrong pronouns being used whilst doing that to such excessive doses, and indeed, tapered down precisely for that reason, not that it helps to an underlying level (although my reactive-aggression has subsided since discontinuing the doses of estrogen I was on, it's still the case that they - misgendering, that is - nevertheless fill me with a deep seated sense of disgust), and I understand wholly your concerns.

It's not so much that I'm looking for an immediate route to hormones. What I am looking for is a route to recognition that this is a legitimate problem as a starting point, even. But they are, thus far, pre-emptively crushing that conversation. Hence, I'm just wondering why it is they refuse to even so much as acknowledge the possibility, coming to such certainly self-assured conclusions on as little a set of information as they've gleaned.

I think my positions as they're laid out should seem more reasonable to you now.

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Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,891

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)
What were you taking? Since you are self medding you should take 20mg of spiro and 6-8mg of estradiol valerate. Try that. You might have taken Ethynl-Estradiol which causes some serious fucking shit.

I get that, I do. You have to understand that (most of) the the therapists you see have no ill intention and just wish to help you. They see somebody who is sexualizing being a woman and do not want to be the one that prescribes that person hormones. I know you were honest with then and I commend you for that but reacting violently isn't the way to get the results you want. Don't like the opinion of the therapist you saw? See another one. I will admit some of them are full of shit, I have encountered quite a few doctors who treated me like shit so I can understand how you feel. If you really feel this way, if you really want to transition the opinion of one doctor will not stop you.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,892

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I am attempting to get dropped by my current psychiatrist with a view to getting a second opinion elsewhere.
My alternative recourse is to get the fuck out of Scotland. I think the corrupt psychiatric nurse that had co-operated with Haselgrove's devious plan has basically informed all GICs local to this nation at this juncture, meaning it's effectively a clandestine plan to push me out of the country. Hey, I'm not complaining. They're doing me a favour by motivating me to this extent.

I was taking sublingual Estrogen Hemihydrate (Estrofem), 8mg/daily or thereabouts, and just any nth mg dose of spiro, usually far higher than recommended, because I was desperate to murder my testicles as rapidly as possible.

Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,895

@previous (!MLHqI35Srs)
You are acting paranoid. Do not assume that is what your doctor did unless you know for a fact. I don't know enough about BPD and transgender people to tell you anything other than that.

Go with the valerate instead. Taking more estrogen than you need will convert to Testosterone in the body. There has been no clinical benefit observed for people taking over 200mg of spiro. you were wasting it and pissing all of the time.

!MLHqI35Srs (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #675,896

@previous (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
I've bad oedema anyway, so that might've been a good thing. As for my experience there, it was based on when I was last on the ward for suicide. Kenneth, the nurse in question, had asked an administrative porter to speak to the new head of the transgender clinic in Edinburgh whether I'd a referral and to tell him to "save the space", apparently, he's really disgusted by the idea of my transitioning due to the very myths promulgated about me by past, indifferent, intransigent, unrigorous, unscrupulous therapists.

There's no upstream conversion of estrogen to testosterone. I can't believe this myth is still being promulgated. Aromataze, the enzyme responsible for testosterone's conversion to estrogen, is pretty monodirectional in its action. Refer to any steroidogenesis chart. Besides, testosterone titers are not in the mere milligrams. You need near-gram doses for testosterone to have any significant effect, such that, even given this putative estrogen->testosterone upstream conversion, the doses of estrogen you'd have to take are more than would be pharmacologically feasible in accessibility.

t. armchair biochemist and wannabe-endocrinologist-for-long-enough, now I just have a passive interest in all bioendocrinological relations

WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 month later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #692,721

Lol

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@previous (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
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