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Topic: How can someone become $53 million dollars in debt?

Anonymous A started this discussion 10 years ago #51,160

Like Kayne West.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #663,436

copypasta from Vanity fair.

While commentators were perplexed by his lack of frugality, or surprising surplus of modesty, the over-leveraged rap icon’s state of affairs is a reflection of the brutally difficult fashion business—an industry that requires significant upfront costs and can promise little in return. Despite a growing popular appreciation of his designs, West has learned the realities of the industry the hard way. In 2009, he put all of his musical endeavors aside to work on his label, Pastelle—which then shuttered after seven months. Add to that however much it cost to create his line of G.O.O.D. merchandise, marketed to fans of his record label. He was chewed up and spit out for his attempt at a high-end women’s-wear line called Kanye West in 2011. The line never made it to stores. According to a 2013 interview with Jean Touitou, the founder of the French line A.P.C., which created capsule collections with West, the experiment put the rapper out $30 million.

His collaborations with Nike, on the wildly popular Nike Air Yeezy sneakers, did not stem the losses. West has said he was not given a percentage of the sales—a sticking point that eventually caused him to defect for what would appear to be a more lucrative deal and more creative license at Adidas, where he was able to expand into clothing and elaborate fashion shows at sold-out arenas three times in the span of one year. In his first “season,” West told BET he went $16 million in debt getting his line off the ground.

Those numbers, while significant, are not surprising to industry insiders tasked with coming up with business plans for people like West, who have grand visions without the slightest idea of what they might cost to execute. The expenses related to production, sales, buying, marketing and setting up the infrastructure to manage the logistics of a fashion line are one thing, according to Jonathan Reed, C.E.O. of brand consultancy CS Global. But scaling the product and setting up a show is what really drives up the capital requirement.

“For a large show, you’re thinking about venue expenses, set and stage expenses, audio and special effects, labor costs, which at a place like Madison Square Garden, which is union, is more expensive. This can run into seven figures very quickly,” he said. “That doesn’t include any of the talent—models, hair, makeup, stylists. That’s its own huge bucket, another easy seven figures.” The cost of recording the spectacle, which often requires multiple crews shooting front-of-house and backstage at the same time, plus back-end production, only adds to the cost. “As a general statement, it would be very easy to amass large amounts of debt in the costs of producing a collection, putting it together, showing a collection, and then selling a collection,” Reed said.

Anonymous B double-posted this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,438

more copypasta

“It’s an ego tip, because artists have plenty of money to get into other businesses. But has anyone done a five-year projection of what the bottom line will be? I doubt it.”

But with West, however, one suspects this isn’t the case. On one level, his exorbitant debt does not appear cause for real financial concern. Instead of financing his creative side projects through his main money-making artery—each concert on his 2013-2014 Yeezus tour reportedly grossed $1 million, according to Forbes, which, along with a spate of successful albums, helped him bring in a total of $72 million pre-tax over the last three years—West is presumably seeking funding through bank loans or venture partners. Most of the world’s sophisticated investors separate their personal assets and savings from their venture funds. This, in some ways, explains how Donald Trump could file for bankruptcy multiple times and remain a billionaire. And it also suggests how Silicon Valley venture capitalists could elevate—and, in some cases, inflate—the value of various tech companies while carrying little of the personal risk themselves.

In some regard, West’s tweets may simply have been an elaborate and modern version of a pitch deck in search of that true marker of early-21st-century creative genius: Series A funding. Indeed, he publicly solicited the help of Mark Zuckerberg, whom he asked for $1 billion to keep making art. He also said he would be willing to accept money from Google’s Larry Page. Any other hedge funder or bigwig with pennies to spare would do, too. These guys, after all, know that $53 million is a small price tag for a moon shot.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,440

> How can someone become $53 million dollars in debt?

Paying $100,000 per day for approximately a year and a half.

Lt. Judy Hopps joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 31 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,460

yeah u surprised rich people spend more money than they have? especially people like Kanye? I'm not

Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,470

Look for list of stars that went belly up.

#20 – Burt Reynolds
#18 – Wayne Newton
#15 – Sinbad
#14 – Mickey Rooney
#13 – Pamela Anderson
#12 – Gary Busey
#11 – Courtney Love
#10 – Wesley Snipes
#7 – Donald Trump (Metæ) will defend him.
#6 – Michael Jackson (Johnny Cockrun) will defend him.
#5 – Gary Coleman
#4 – Nicolas Cage
#3 – Lindsay Lohan
#2 – Marvin Gaye
#1 – Willie Nelson (His money has all gone up in smoke)

Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #663,482

reduced dto eating discarded sandwithces

Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #663,484

@663,470 (B)
We all know Lindsay Lohan was reduced to being unable to afford underwear.
Image not viable because Lt.Judy Hopps only wants to look at dicks.

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,487

@663,470 (B)
Thanks, Google!

kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,489

@previous (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
Whats wrong with Google?

Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,491

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Big Daddy Derek's when in school never opened a book to learn something new.
They as a group only look at porn on web so they wood never look anything up with Google.

Notice I did edit that list to leave out so called stars cause people wood argue about being called stars.

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,492

@previous (B)
Why are you fantasizing about children looking at porn, and why are you posting this fantasy on a forum whose userbase consists mostly of adolescent boys, Syntax?

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,493

can't even operate a forklift

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,497

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)

> he can't even operate a forklift

Syntax replied with this 10 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,502

@663,492 (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
> forum whose userbase consists mostly of adolescent boys

Over the many years of MC - They have run polls re age of user base

On the bell shaped curve
> adolescent boys
Were about equal in value as their minuscule dick size.

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,504

@previous (Syntax)
Illegible gibberish.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,574

why is there even a Khan Academy when there is this
http://www.forkliftacademy.com/
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