Topic: Georgia is progressive. Individuals must use restroom of biological sex on their birth certificate
Anonymous A started this discussion 10 years ago #51,108
North Carolina.Bill passed and signed by Gov. Pat McCrory. Georgia legislature passed a bill overturning every local LGBT anti-discrimination measure in the state and requiring that individuals use the restroom of the biological sex on their birth certificate. The bill was rushed through the House and Senate and subsequently signed by Gov. Pat McCrory, whose counterfeit reasoning was that the bill was “passed by a bipartisan majority to stop this breach of basic privacy and etiquette"
Transsexual Kelly Lauren last year in Houston "Do you REALLY want me in the same restroom as your husband or boyfriend?"
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #663,112
Tbh I didn't read this post so I'm shooting from the hip.
Shut the fuck up, syntax.
Shut the fuck up, syntax.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,116
kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,119
Good
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 7 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,120
OP is obviously just here to start an argument about transsexuals. However...
> a bill overturning every local LGBT anti-discrimination measure in the state
Uh, that seems pretty worrying, to me. Does this affect things like adoption and employment rights?
> a bill overturning every local LGBT anti-discrimination measure in the state
Uh, that seems pretty worrying, to me. Does this affect things like adoption and employment rights?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,124
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> OP is obviously just here to start an argument about transsexuals. However...
>
> > a bill overturning every local LGBT anti-discrimination measure in the state
> Uh, that seems pretty worrying, to me. Does this affect things like adoption and employment rights?
No. Just playing the role as messenger.
> Does this affect things like adoption and employment rights?
> OP is obviously just here to start an argument about transsexuals. However...
>
> > a bill overturning every local LGBT anti-discrimination measure in the state
> Uh, that seems pretty worrying, to me. Does this affect things like adoption and employment rights?
No. Just playing the role as messenger.
> Does this affect things like adoption and employment rights?
Adar v. Smith
Summary
After legally adopting their Louisiana-born child in the state of New York, Oren Adar and his partner Mickey Smith were told by the Louisiana state registrar that she would not issue a new birth certificate for their child, because Louisiana does not recognize adoption by unmarried parents. Lambda Legal filed suit on behalf of Adar and Smith in October 2007, saying that the registrar violated the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution by refusing to recognize the New York adoption decree, and that denying a birth certificate only to children of unmarried parents violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. The Louisiana attorney general had earlier advised the registrar that she did not have to honor an adoption from another state that Louisiana would not have granted under Louisiana law if the couple had lived and adopted there. In December 2008, a U.S. district judge ruled against the registrar, finding that the attorney general was wrong and that the registrar's conduct did not comply with her full faith and credit obligation. The court ordered her to issue a new birth certificate identifying both Oren Adar and Mickey Smith as the child's parents.
History
October 2007 Case is filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana.
December 2008 Judgment is granted in favor of plaintiffs.
January 2009 Defendant files notice of appeal.
October 2009 Lambda Legal argues the case before a three-member panel of federal judges in the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
February 2010 Victory! A three-judge panel of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirms the district court's judgment, holding that the Louisiana Registrar of Vital Statistics must respect Oren Adar and Mickey Smith's New York State adoption of their son and issues a new birth certificate listing them both as their son's parents.
March 2010 Attorney General Buddy Caldwell files a petition asking for rehearing by the full Fifth Circuit Court.
April 2011 A sharply divided Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reverses the two prior court rulings and denies Adar and Smith's son an accurate birth certificate.
July 2011 Lambda Legal asks the U.S. Supreme Court to review the case.
October 2011 U.S. Supreme Court denies Lambda Legal appeal.
Summary
After legally adopting their Louisiana-born child in the state of New York, Oren Adar and his partner Mickey Smith were told by the Louisiana state registrar that she would not issue a new birth certificate for their child, because Louisiana does not recognize adoption by unmarried parents. Lambda Legal filed suit on behalf of Adar and Smith in October 2007, saying that the registrar violated the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution by refusing to recognize the New York adoption decree, and that denying a birth certificate only to children of unmarried parents violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. The Louisiana attorney general had earlier advised the registrar that she did not have to honor an adoption from another state that Louisiana would not have granted under Louisiana law if the couple had lived and adopted there. In December 2008, a U.S. district judge ruled against the registrar, finding that the attorney general was wrong and that the registrar's conduct did not comply with her full faith and credit obligation. The court ordered her to issue a new birth certificate identifying both Oren Adar and Mickey Smith as the child's parents.
History
October 2007 Case is filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana.
December 2008 Judgment is granted in favor of plaintiffs.
January 2009 Defendant files notice of appeal.
October 2009 Lambda Legal argues the case before a three-member panel of federal judges in the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
February 2010 Victory! A three-judge panel of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirms the district court's judgment, holding that the Louisiana Registrar of Vital Statistics must respect Oren Adar and Mickey Smith's New York State adoption of their son and issues a new birth certificate listing them both as their son's parents.
March 2010 Attorney General Buddy Caldwell files a petition asking for rehearing by the full Fifth Circuit Court.
April 2011 A sharply divided Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reverses the two prior court rulings and denies Adar and Smith's son an accurate birth certificate.
July 2011 Lambda Legal asks the U.S. Supreme Court to review the case.
October 2011 U.S. Supreme Court denies Lambda Legal appeal.
Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,125
@663,120 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
It's unlikely that adoption rights would be affected by statutes at a local level, but this is a response to Charlotte passing protections for LGB people for things like employment.
North Carolina and Georgia are both dominated by a large progressive city, but outside of those two cities or university towns it is very rural and very poor. There's always going to be tension between Atlanta and Charlotte and the state legislatures about things like this.
It's unlikely that adoption rights would be affected by statutes at a local level, but this is a response to Charlotte passing protections for LGB people for things like employment.
North Carolina and Georgia are both dominated by a large progressive city, but outside of those two cities or university towns it is very rural and very poor. There's always going to be tension between Atlanta and Charlotte and the state legislatures about things like this.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,126
@663,112 (B)
> Tbh I didn't read this post so I'm shooting from the hip.
@previous (B)
Then why did you say you did not read the topic?
> Tbh I didn't read this post so I'm shooting from the hip.
@previous (B)
Then why did you say you did not read the topic?
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,128
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,129
Is North Carolina, Georgia a 15min drive from thee thee thee?
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw double-posted this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,131
> The only transgender people who will be exempt are be those who had the sex on their birth certificate legally changed.
Plenty of states allow for birth certificate changes without surgery. This is going to be a funny thing to play out.
Plenty of states allow for birth certificate changes without surgery. This is going to be a funny thing to play out.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 7 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,133
@663,128 (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
The men, Oren Adar and Mickey Ray Smith, argue that gay couples have a due process right to be listed on such certificates as joint custodial parents. A federal appeals court has ruled against the couple.
The men, Oren Adar and Mickey Ray Smith, argue that gay couples have a due process right to be listed on such certificates as joint custodial parents. A federal appeals court has ruled against the couple.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,135
@663,131 (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
> This is going to be a funny thing to play out.
You do need that GED. It has already played in the Supreme court.
October 2011 U.S. Supreme Court denies Lambda Legal appeal.
Read 663,124
> This is going to be a funny thing to play out.
You do need that GED. It has already played in the Supreme court.
October 2011 U.S. Supreme Court denies Lambda Legal appeal.
Read 663,124
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #663,136
@previous (I)
That's not what I was referring to. What I meant was that the state had exempted those with birth certificate changes, even those who could get it changed without the operation. So this bill has guaranteed the right to use the bathroom and locker room for trans people who have gone through the process completely.
That's not what I was referring to. What I meant was that the state had exempted those with birth certificate changes, even those who could get it changed without the operation. So this bill has guaranteed the right to use the bathroom and locker room for trans people who have gone through the process completely.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #663,137
@previous (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
@previous (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
> So this bill has guaranteed the right to use the bathroom and locker room for trans people who have gone through the process completely.
> Individuals must use restroom of biological sex on their birth certificate
Sliced and diced stick and stones, just does not cut it, in Georgia anymore.
@previous (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
> So this bill has guaranteed the right to use the bathroom and locker room for trans people who have gone through the process completely.
> Individuals must use restroom of biological sex on their birth certificate
Sliced and diced stick and stones, just does not cut it, in Georgia anymore.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #663,139
@previous (J)
And the birth certificate can be amended without surgery in Washington at the very least.
https://aclu-wa.org/docs/rights-transgender-people-washington-state
To change the gender marker on a birth certificate, a person must submit the following documents to the Washington DOH:
A letter from the requestor stating the following information, as listed on the current birth certificate: name, date of birth, place of birth, names of parents, and contact information, and
Either one of the following:
A certified copy of a court order that states the person's name, date of birth, gender currently listed on birth record, and new gender, or
A letter from the person's physician stating that the person has received the appropriate clinical treatment and the person's new gender.
And the birth certificate can be amended without surgery in Washington at the very least.
https://aclu-wa.org/docs/rights-transgender-people-washington-state
To change the gender marker on a birth certificate, a person must submit the following documents to the Washington DOH:
A letter from the requestor stating the following information, as listed on the current birth certificate: name, date of birth, place of birth, names of parents, and contact information, and
Either one of the following:
A certified copy of a court order that states the person's name, date of birth, gender currently listed on birth record, and new gender, or
A letter from the person's physician stating that the person has received the appropriate clinical treatment and the person's new gender.
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #663,141
@663,133 (A)
How do you feel about Adar's authoritarian, hardline solutions to problems such as union strikes?
How do you feel about Adar's authoritarian, hardline solutions to problems such as union strikes?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 58 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,164
@previous (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
I fully support Adar when he was President of the Twelve Colonies before the Destruction of the Twelve Colonies by the Cylons.
I fully support Adar when he was President of the Twelve Colonies before the Destruction of the Twelve Colonies by the Cylons.
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,173
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #663,229
@previous (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
We'll get the trannys to pay for the wall between the toilets!
We'll get the trannys to pay for the wall between the toilets!