Topic: "#ResistCapitalism" trending on twitter
hamfist !0Ynig1RSDc started this discussion 10 years ago #49,225
its full of butthurt tumblr communists arguing with butthurt reddit libertarians and it's extremely fascinating. check it outhamfist !0Ynig1RSDc (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 35 minutes later[^] [v] #640,637
this is so bizarre it's like one side people are saying "u can't say anything bad about capitalism ever if you have an iphone" and the other side is just regurgitating a bunch of aphorisms about inequality and whatever
i can't get enough of it
i can't get enough of it
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 20 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #640,642
Fucking finally, capitalism is for greedy faggots.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #640,644
That just makes its penis harder
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Anonymous B replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,650
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,651
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,665
How about we give all the communists a one-way ticket to China?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,667
Capitalism is clearly the most conducive system to social equality and economic success. Thanks.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,692
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RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 45 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,757
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 13 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,761
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,764
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 10 years ago, 18 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,770
In this artwork, the horse is a symbol for the plutocrat. The plutocrat believes that his will is the correct will, and any effort to oppose his will is met with a scorched earth response. For example, if workers even hint that they would like to bargain collectively, the plutocrat pays politicians to take measures to end unions and outsources work to foreign countries.(Edited 1 minute later.)
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,771
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,773
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,774
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 10 years ago, 22 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,775
@640,771 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
No. To ensure a stable and endurable society, there must be checks and balances. There must be no heavily lopsided concentrations of power. There needs to be several pockets of power that monitor and mitigate the effects of ecah other, like how biological feedbacks in the body maintain homostasis. There needs to be a sizable and healthy middle class for stability, or else you get coups and revolutions over and over again alternating with awful tyranny.
No. To ensure a stable and endurable society, there must be checks and balances. There must be no heavily lopsided concentrations of power. There needs to be several pockets of power that monitor and mitigate the effects of ecah other, like how biological feedbacks in the body maintain homostasis. There needs to be a sizable and healthy middle class for stability, or else you get coups and revolutions over and over again alternating with awful tyranny.
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!MLHqI35Srs joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 23 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,777
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
> No.
Okay, let's meticulously examine positions in a piecemeal fashion...
> To ensure a stable and endurable society, there must be checks and balances.
Those are organic to a system; sociological contrivances of this sort, especially when imposed from above, will ensure your next statement...
> There must be no heavily lopsided concentrations of power.
...is moot.
> There needs to be several pockets of power...
Power isn't a mutually exclusive entity that has the ability to repel each other's influence through conflicted interest. Scarily enough, it is always in these vested interest's own to find common grounds, like some Venn-inspired, Byzantine nightmare.
> Biological feedback...
The biological metaphor is bullshit. C.S. Lewis should be shot.
> ...needs... sizable and healthy middle class...
To Marx's credit, this is where he was accurate about the perfidiousness of the petit-bourgeoisie and its absorption of the peripheral upper-proletariat, and vice-versa as a recurring chain upwards to the highest echelons, within its own monopolistic processes.
> No.
Okay, let's meticulously examine positions in a piecemeal fashion...
> To ensure a stable and endurable society, there must be checks and balances.
Those are organic to a system; sociological contrivances of this sort, especially when imposed from above, will ensure your next statement...
> There must be no heavily lopsided concentrations of power.
...is moot.
> There needs to be several pockets of power...
Power isn't a mutually exclusive entity that has the ability to repel each other's influence through conflicted interest. Scarily enough, it is always in these vested interest's own to find common grounds, like some Venn-inspired, Byzantine nightmare.
> Biological feedback...
The biological metaphor is bullshit. C.S. Lewis should be shot.
> ...needs... sizable and healthy middle class...
To Marx's credit, this is where he was accurate about the perfidiousness of the petit-bourgeoisie and its absorption of the peripheral upper-proletariat, and vice-versa as a recurring chain upwards to the highest echelons, within its own monopolistic processes.
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RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,778
@640,775 (Sheila LaBoof)
Wait a moment- you're not some mindless memester- you're an intelligent person who has gone undercover as a memester!
Wait a moment- you're not some mindless memester- you're an intelligent person who has gone undercover as a memester!
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 10 years ago, 21 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,783
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
lol wut
@640,777 (!MLHqI35Srs)
lol wut
lol wut
@640,777 (!MLHqI35Srs)
lol wut
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RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,784
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,785
Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,786
!MLHqI35Srs replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,788
@640,784 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
Or you're just extremely mediocre and think any uncharacteristic display of intelligence is astounding to you enough as for this astoundment to reveal what is, in fact, your very superficial impressions thereof.
Or you're just extremely mediocre and think any uncharacteristic display of intelligence is astounding to you enough as for this astoundment to reveal what is, in fact, your very superficial impressions thereof.
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FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 10 years ago, 17 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,791
@640,773 (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
100 years ago unions were necessary to prevent abuse. Nowadays they are political bullies who blackball anyone who refuses to join them.
100 years ago unions were necessary to prevent abuse. Nowadays they are political bullies who blackball anyone who refuses to join them.
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,809
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 14 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,814
@640,791 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Destroying unions and moving away from USAmerican made products and labor made the rich richer and the country broken. Those savings made by outsourcing and using cheap flimsy materials were not passed on to the consumer... That's not how greed works
Destroying unions and moving away from USAmerican made products and labor made the rich richer and the country broken. Those savings made by outsourcing and using cheap flimsy materials were not passed on to the consumer... That's not how greed works
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 10 years ago, 43 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,835
@previous (L)
> destroying unions and moving away from USAmerican made products and labor
Unions are what drove manufacturers to search for cheaper labor overseas in the first place.
> Those savings made by outsourcing and using cheap flimsy materials were not passed on to the consumer.
Really? That's strange, it certainly doesn't look like Wal-mart is charging 1000% markup on the products they sell.
> destroying unions and moving away from USAmerican made products and labor
Unions are what drove manufacturers to search for cheaper labor overseas in the first place.
> Those savings made by outsourcing and using cheap flimsy materials were not passed on to the consumer.
Really? That's strange, it certainly doesn't look like Wal-mart is charging 1000% markup on the products they sell.
Anonymous L replied with this 10 years ago, 37 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,860
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
> Unions are what drove manufacturers to search for cheaper labor overseas in the first place.
No. Profits are.
Decreasing the labor price, is what unions are fighting against. They want their members to be paid well, and to gain gradual increases as the company grows and expands. What unions want are iPhone factories in the USA. USAmericans working safely, happy, and paid fairly, with time off etc etc. Unions want that because unions are made up of workers.
What Apple wants, for example, is profits. There's no way their profits would be so astronomically high if they played by the rules and considered the environment, worker health, paid taxes, etc. If there is a way to squeeze more profit out of anything, they have a team actively working on who they are going to fuck over, and in which country the laws and loopholes allow them to do that.
You do understand that a union is just a group of workers joining together to collectively bargain right? It's not some secret society that fights corporations and organizes strikes to stick it to the man. A worker is a soldier and the union is the army. Without having an army, each individual soldier would be almost completely ineffective fighting on their own, because they need to work together to gain ground.
> Unions are what drove manufacturers to search for cheaper labor overseas in the first place.
No. Profits are.
Decreasing the labor price, is what unions are fighting against. They want their members to be paid well, and to gain gradual increases as the company grows and expands. What unions want are iPhone factories in the USA. USAmericans working safely, happy, and paid fairly, with time off etc etc. Unions want that because unions are made up of workers.
What Apple wants, for example, is profits. There's no way their profits would be so astronomically high if they played by the rules and considered the environment, worker health, paid taxes, etc. If there is a way to squeeze more profit out of anything, they have a team actively working on who they are going to fuck over, and in which country the laws and loopholes allow them to do that.
You do understand that a union is just a group of workers joining together to collectively bargain right? It's not some secret society that fights corporations and organizes strikes to stick it to the man. A worker is a soldier and the union is the army. Without having an army, each individual soldier would be almost completely ineffective fighting on their own, because they need to work together to gain ground.
Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 10 years ago, 59 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #640,862
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 10 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #640,987
@640,835 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
who are are you getting information on unions from
because it reads like standard politician/commentator stuff we hear
and it's weird that you mention Wal*Mart in a defensive way, given what we know about the family that runs it
who are are you getting information on unions from
because it reads like standard politician/commentator stuff we hear
and it's weird that you mention Wal*Mart in a defensive way, given what we know about the family that runs it
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