Topic: Transgender woman goes on trial accused of raping schoolgirl when she was
Anonymous A started this discussion 10 years ago #49,092
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12082977/Transgender-Davina-Ayrton-accused-of-raping-schoolgirl-while-man.html
personally I think she should be let off as she is no longer "that" person.
personally I think she should be let off as she is no longer "that" person.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 30 minutes later[^] [v] #639,393
You telling me all Osama bin Laden had to do was put on a wig and say he was not that person?Anything this ugly needs to be locked up and keys thrown away.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #639,395
Nice kookbait.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #639,403
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 47 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,413
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
I love how trannies have to accentuate female parts like the hair and clothing. Kind of throws out the 'gender is a social construct' thing
I love how trannies have to accentuate female parts like the hair and clothing. Kind of throws out the 'gender is a social construct' thing
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,422
squeegee joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 32 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,438
@previous (F)
well, they claim gender isn't about affectation and then affect every feminine construct they can in an attempt to be accepted as the gender they emulate. they're right, being female is about more than cute clothes, high heels and body figure. but, that's all they have to work with, so... i don't know why they reject the social component so much.
well, they claim gender isn't about affectation and then affect every feminine construct they can in an attempt to be accepted as the gender they emulate. they're right, being female is about more than cute clothes, high heels and body figure. but, that's all they have to work with, so... i don't know why they reject the social component so much.
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kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,443
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 10 years ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,468
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,471
@639,438 (squeegee)
Who is "they", might I ask? Are you implying that all transsexuals have more or less the same view on the opposite sex? That seems like avid assumption.
Who is "they", might I ask? Are you implying that all transsexuals have more or less the same view on the opposite sex? That seems like avid assumption.
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 19 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,485
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
isn't there a narrative that there's a biological component and that it's not about conforming to socially constructed gender binaries? the easiest way to express gender is to embrace social constructs and that's exactly what happens. they cannot actually express themselves biologically as female, they can only truly alter their appearance and in doing so they are conforming to the kind of gender binary that they reject. if i am a woman trapped in a man's body but refuse to conform to the social constructs associated with women and instead dress and act as a male does that make me any less valid a transexual than one openly affecting the appearance of the opposite sex? and if i am a woman trapped in a man's body and i choose not to conform to social standards then how exactly would i go about expressing myself as a woman? it's hard to reject the idea that conforming to socially constructed ideas about gender is at the heart of transexualism. biological brain difference or not, society dictates how transexuals form their identity, not biology. maybe biology plays a role in that desire to conform differently, but how they conform is totally based on a social ideas about gender.
isn't there a narrative that there's a biological component and that it's not about conforming to socially constructed gender binaries? the easiest way to express gender is to embrace social constructs and that's exactly what happens. they cannot actually express themselves biologically as female, they can only truly alter their appearance and in doing so they are conforming to the kind of gender binary that they reject. if i am a woman trapped in a man's body but refuse to conform to the social constructs associated with women and instead dress and act as a male does that make me any less valid a transexual than one openly affecting the appearance of the opposite sex? and if i am a woman trapped in a man's body and i choose not to conform to social standards then how exactly would i go about expressing myself as a woman? it's hard to reject the idea that conforming to socially constructed ideas about gender is at the heart of transexualism. biological brain difference or not, society dictates how transexuals form their identity, not biology. maybe biology plays a role in that desire to conform differently, but how they conform is totally based on a social ideas about gender.
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,489
@previous (squeegee)
I'm not sure you really addressed my point.
Your first post basically said "oh, the transsexuals all have this opinion where they reject the social component". I'm saying that's way too much of a generalisation to make, and that transsexuals (like humanity at large) will have varying attitudes on how social construct plays into gender.
Also, I think you're a little off the mark in saying that they only have social avenues to express it and zero biological ones. Sure, sure, you can't operate on a man so they've got a functioning pair of ovaries, but hormone therapy and sex reassignment does alter the biology, so as to get a bit closer to being female.
I'm not sure you really addressed my point.
Your first post basically said "oh, the transsexuals all have this opinion where they reject the social component". I'm saying that's way too much of a generalisation to make, and that transsexuals (like humanity at large) will have varying attitudes on how social construct plays into gender.
Also, I think you're a little off the mark in saying that they only have social avenues to express it and zero biological ones. Sure, sure, you can't operate on a man so they've got a functioning pair of ovaries, but hormone therapy and sex reassignment does alter the biology, so as to get a bit closer to being female.
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Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 45 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,502
@previous (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
> I'm not sure you really addressed my point.
>
> Your first post basically said "oh, the transsexuals all have this opinion where they reject the social component". I'm saying that's way too much of a generalisation to make, and that transsexuals (like humanity at large) will have varying attitudes on how social construct plays into gender.
>
> Also, I think you're a little off the mark in saying that they only have social avenues to express it and zero biological ones. Sure, sure, you can't operate on a man so they've got a functioning pair of ovaries, but hormone therapy and sex reassignment does alter the biology, so as to get a bit closer to being female.
ahh it's all horseshit
> I'm not sure you really addressed my point.
>
> Your first post basically said "oh, the transsexuals all have this opinion where they reject the social component". I'm saying that's way too much of a generalisation to make, and that transsexuals (like humanity at large) will have varying attitudes on how social construct plays into gender.
>
> Also, I think you're a little off the mark in saying that they only have social avenues to express it and zero biological ones. Sure, sure, you can't operate on a man so they've got a functioning pair of ovaries, but hormone therapy and sex reassignment does alter the biology, so as to get a bit closer to being female.
ahh it's all horseshit
Mordor joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 24 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,509
A transexual loves himself and cares for others at the same time
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 53 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,510
if i get arrested i'm going to say i identify as a woman so i can go to a female jail
Mordor replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,515
No you don't, you can always do justice to females.
Mordor double-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,516
OOOR you could investigate females and crack them up with what they think of boys trying to make sex last longer ideas.
Anonymous F replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,598
@639,443 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
It in fact proves that it is a social construct that they have to go to those lengths to signal that they are a woman to others.
It in fact proves that it is a social construct that they have to go to those lengths to signal that they are a woman to others.
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,614
@639,438 (squeegee)
except that's not true
loads of trans people don't conform to societal ideas of "passing"
and those that do, i mean if you're denied long pretty hair and cute dresses then chances are you'll grab that when you can, hrt is basically puberty 2.0 man
except that's not true
loads of trans people don't conform to societal ideas of "passing"
and those that do, i mean if you're denied long pretty hair and cute dresses then chances are you'll grab that when you can, hrt is basically puberty 2.0 man
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #639,621
Anonymous K replied with this 10 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,659
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,671
@previous (K)
me n my ex never really changed up presentation during our various gender identity crises
it was kinda fun
me n my ex never really changed up presentation during our various gender identity crises
it was kinda fun
Anonymous K replied with this 10 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,673
@previous (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
personally i've always identified as a man, though bisexual, i can't say i haven't wondered what it's like to be a girl though
personally i've always identified as a man, though bisexual, i can't say i haven't wondered what it's like to be a girl though
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,731
@639,413 (E)
> I love how trannies have to accentuate female parts like the hair and clothing. Kind of throws out the 'gender is a social construct' thing
"gender is a social construct" is so fuckin stupid
> I love how trannies have to accentuate female parts like the hair and clothing. Kind of throws out the 'gender is a social construct' thing
"gender is a social construct" is so fuckin stupid
Smeagol replied with this 10 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,738
Well I polish my SS ring. Paint my nails etc
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 10 years ago, 50 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,762
@639,731 (M)
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/will-smiths-son-as-the-new-face-of-louis-vuitton-womenswear-might-seem-progressive-but-its-a6797461.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/will-smiths-son-as-the-new-face-of-louis-vuitton-womenswear-might-seem-progressive-but-its-a6797461.html
kook !!mCVqftDha double-posted this 10 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,765
@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Jaden seems to be up for this gender-neutral, equal clothing rights thing which allows men to wear women’s clothes without any fear of ridicule. But there is another, more important issue afoot.
There’s a reason why men wear men’s clothes and women wear women’s clothes, and why they are generally so different. OK, I know women have been wearing trousers for decades but they’re usually a femme version of the male equivalent - and I’m not talking about unisex clothes like jeans and t-shirts.
I’m talking about basic clothes norms that depict which gender is wearing them, even in the modern world. Stereotypically, men wear trousers and women wear dresses and skirts. That’s the ‘norm’ and it’s more than that – it’s a uniform.
When you get out of bed in the morning the most important thing you have to do all day is tell the world what your gender is, because from that, everything else flows. You may think that your job is to be an office supervisor or a stockbroker or police officer but these are all human constructs. Deep down your real job is to reproduce, and showing other humans your gender is the first step on that path.
So, to help make it plain for anyone to see which gender you are, you put on a uniform. Men put on trousers and have men’s haircuts, and women put on dresses and skirts, feminine tops and tights and women’s shoes to show their femininity and declare to the world that they are female.
They have women’s hair-dos and they put use cosmetics to make themselves look nicer and more presentable and to reinforce the female uniform a bit more.
So, when some people come along and want equal clothing rights, that upsets the apple cart a bit.
Male-to-female transgender people rely on props like clothes, shoes, make-up and hairstyles to create the gender identity they want to portray to the world because most of the time their bodies alone are unable to do that. There are a few lucky ones who don’t have to do a thing to put across a female persona, but most trans women have to work hard at it.
Of course it will take time - a long, long time even - for things to change to the extent where men wearing skirts and girly stuff will be totally acceptable.
But trans people should be aware that well-known faces like Jaden Smith are starting to encroach on our territory. They’re starting to wear the trans uniform without actually stating that they are transgender, and they’re claiming it for themselves under the guise of gender-neutral fashion. All of which begs the question: where does that leave us?
Jaden seems to be up for this gender-neutral, equal clothing rights thing which allows men to wear women’s clothes without any fear of ridicule. But there is another, more important issue afoot.
There’s a reason why men wear men’s clothes and women wear women’s clothes, and why they are generally so different. OK, I know women have been wearing trousers for decades but they’re usually a femme version of the male equivalent - and I’m not talking about unisex clothes like jeans and t-shirts.
I’m talking about basic clothes norms that depict which gender is wearing them, even in the modern world. Stereotypically, men wear trousers and women wear dresses and skirts. That’s the ‘norm’ and it’s more than that – it’s a uniform.
When you get out of bed in the morning the most important thing you have to do all day is tell the world what your gender is, because from that, everything else flows. You may think that your job is to be an office supervisor or a stockbroker or police officer but these are all human constructs. Deep down your real job is to reproduce, and showing other humans your gender is the first step on that path.
So, to help make it plain for anyone to see which gender you are, you put on a uniform. Men put on trousers and have men’s haircuts, and women put on dresses and skirts, feminine tops and tights and women’s shoes to show their femininity and declare to the world that they are female.
They have women’s hair-dos and they put use cosmetics to make themselves look nicer and more presentable and to reinforce the female uniform a bit more.
So, when some people come along and want equal clothing rights, that upsets the apple cart a bit.
Male-to-female transgender people rely on props like clothes, shoes, make-up and hairstyles to create the gender identity they want to portray to the world because most of the time their bodies alone are unable to do that. There are a few lucky ones who don’t have to do a thing to put across a female persona, but most trans women have to work hard at it.
Of course it will take time - a long, long time even - for things to change to the extent where men wearing skirts and girly stuff will be totally acceptable.
But trans people should be aware that well-known faces like Jaden Smith are starting to encroach on our territory. They’re starting to wear the trans uniform without actually stating that they are transgender, and they’re claiming it for themselves under the guise of gender-neutral fashion. All of which begs the question: where does that leave us?
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Mordor replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,766
So Low.
Mordor double-posted this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,767
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,770
Mordor replied with this 10 years ago, 14 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #639,771
I still wonder about that healthy vagina now .. :)