Topic: so is dark matter a fuckin' hoax or what
Sheila LaBoof started this discussion 10 years ago #48,703
the astronomers made it up to get rich
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #635,380
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 16 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,381
It's an average series at best. I hope season 2 is better
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,382
idk I believe it it makes sense I wont be upset if it doesn't exist tho
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,384
Is dark matter essentially what the force was based on in Star Wars with midichlorians being a reference to the little partials that make up the universe?
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,386
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
I always thought midichlorians were just a plot device rip off version of mitochondria.
I think right now dark matter is pretty much a place holder concept for stuff we haven't yet found that current theory predicts should be there based on other observations.
I always thought midichlorians were just a plot device rip off version of mitochondria.
I think right now dark matter is pretty much a place holder concept for stuff we haven't yet found that current theory predicts should be there based on other observations.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 11 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,387
maybe. we can really only indirectly measure it's effect. pretty much it boils down to how galaxies rotate. in a solar system orbital periods and velocities change the closer you are to the center of mass. the further out you go the faster you move, but the slower your orbital period. galaxies were thought to work the same way, but according to what's observed the leading edge of a galaxy moves with the same angular momentum as the interior of the disk. but, that shouldn't happen based on the mass of the galaxies. galaxies act like there is a giant, massive invisible ring around it (at least that's the mathematical model that delivers the same results as observation.) and what's really interesting is that in order for predictive models to match observational results the amount of other than standard matter/energy is enormous compared to the matter we can see, measure, interact with and study.
of course it's possible the concept for dark matter/energy could be wrong, but the amount of error in the standard model of particle physics is obviously tremendous. something is going on beyond the standard model, new physics is the only thing that can account for the majority of the universe. the best guess is something similar to regular matter, but different enough it's just not detectable. sure, it could be something entirely different, there are some really cool theories out there that have nothing to do with "invisible regular matter" but instead super exotic theories about spacetime. will dark matter/energy be another ether? absolutely maybe.
of course it's possible the concept for dark matter/energy could be wrong, but the amount of error in the standard model of particle physics is obviously tremendous. something is going on beyond the standard model, new physics is the only thing that can account for the majority of the universe. the best guess is something similar to regular matter, but different enough it's just not detectable. sure, it could be something entirely different, there are some really cool theories out there that have nothing to do with "invisible regular matter" but instead super exotic theories about spacetime. will dark matter/energy be another ether? absolutely maybe.
Anonymous D replied with this 10 years ago, 43 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,388
@635,384 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
it's more analogous to qi in Daoism than any actual scientific principle
it's more analogous to qi in Daoism than any actual scientific principle
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 9 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,390
Before Einstein, people used Newton's calculations. The orbit of Mercury was always calculated wrong and so scientists made up a fictional invisible planet Vulcan that they said would correct it. They looked and looked and never found it.
Einstein's math is imperfect like Newton and so scientists made up dark matter and dark energy. Billions of taxpayer dollars are spent each year searching for these. Taxpayer-funded science is mostly a big fraud, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmvLdOkpg2M
Einstein's math is imperfect like Newton and so scientists made up dark matter and dark energy. Billions of taxpayer dollars are spent each year searching for these. Taxpayer-funded science is mostly a big fraud, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmvLdOkpg2M
squeegee replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #635,392
@previous (H)
billions is not spent, don't be daft. at best it's hundreds of millions and that would only be if they were looking to build dark matter hunting satellites. there are a few ongoing projects that are funded world wide looking for dark matter, but what they are doing is invalidating methodologies and trying to chip away at a lack of knowledge. Had science said, "ah yes, 'Vulcan' it is then," and never tried to verify it then we wouldn't have GPS satellites. it was the disproving of that hypothesis and the development of a more correct model of classical mechanics that came from science disproving incorrect ideas. taxpayer funded science is not a fraud, people that refuse to acknowledge everything in their modern lives comes directly from investing in scientific research are the frauds.
billions is not spent, don't be daft. at best it's hundreds of millions and that would only be if they were looking to build dark matter hunting satellites. there are a few ongoing projects that are funded world wide looking for dark matter, but what they are doing is invalidating methodologies and trying to chip away at a lack of knowledge. Had science said, "ah yes, 'Vulcan' it is then," and never tried to verify it then we wouldn't have GPS satellites. it was the disproving of that hypothesis and the development of a more correct model of classical mechanics that came from science disproving incorrect ideas. taxpayer funded science is not a fraud, people that refuse to acknowledge everything in their modern lives comes directly from investing in scientific research are the frauds.
Anonymous F replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #635,394
@previous (squeegee)
Uhm... that.
> at best it's hundreds of millions
Which is a fraction of what we pay people to sniff grandma's shoes for bombs at the airport. NASA funding sucks. Getting a grant sucks. We have telescopes in orbit. Every new observation doesn't mean we launched a billion dollar mission. Astronomers are actually not rich free-money barons running the country. They mostly just live wherever the rent is cheapest and don't drive nice cars. Try talking to an actual astronomer.
@635,390 (H)
> Taxpayer-funded science is mostly a big fraud
You are mostly a fucking moron who believes things he sees on YouTube and the History Channel and doesn't actually know anything apart from what is fed to you by sensationalist cable TV?
Uhm... that.
> at best it's hundreds of millions
Which is a fraction of what we pay people to sniff grandma's shoes for bombs at the airport. NASA funding sucks. Getting a grant sucks. We have telescopes in orbit. Every new observation doesn't mean we launched a billion dollar mission. Astronomers are actually not rich free-money barons running the country. They mostly just live wherever the rent is cheapest and don't drive nice cars. Try talking to an actual astronomer.
@635,390 (H)
> Taxpayer-funded science is mostly a big fraud
You are mostly a fucking moron who believes things he sees on YouTube and the History Channel and doesn't actually know anything apart from what is fed to you by sensationalist cable TV?
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 10 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #635,398
@635,390 (H)
so astronomy might be a hoax, but then I look up your source Stefan Molyneux who apparently is some kind of libertarian blooger. Those fuckers make up hoaxes and get rich on people who tune in every day for the next hoax. I think they make more money than even the astronomers off suckers.
so astronomy might be a hoax, but then I look up your source Stefan Molyneux who apparently is some kind of libertarian blooger. Those fuckers make up hoaxes and get rich on people who tune in every day for the next hoax. I think they make more money than even the astronomers off suckers.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) double-posted this 10 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #635,399
OK haha I'm just joking around about the fabulously weathly astromers.
But you ever go to a science center and they are selling stars that you can name? That's a fuckin scam
but it goes to a good cause to support your science center
But you ever go to a science center and they are selling stars that you can name? That's a fuckin scam
but it goes to a good cause to support your science center
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Anonymous F replied with this 10 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #635,407
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
> But you ever go to a science center and they are selling stars that you can name? That's a fuckin scam
Yeah, it is.
> but it goes to a good cause to support your science center
No... not really.
> But you ever go to a science center and they are selling stars that you can name? That's a fuckin scam
Yeah, it is.
> but it goes to a good cause to support your science center
No... not really.
Adam Jensen joined in and replied with this 10 years ago, 26 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #635,414
Anonymous F replied with this 10 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #635,415
> so astronomy might be a hoax
Are you fucking smoking something?
Are you fucking smoking something?
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