Topic: Scientist says huge clumps of dark matter may lie just beyond the Moon
squeegee started this discussion 11 years ago #48,032
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/11/scientist-says-huge-clumps-of-dark-matter-may-lie-just-beyond-the-moon/paving the way for indirect detection maybe?
beckyderp !4aMoRa.T2Q joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 48 seconds later[^] [v] #628,230
yeah i was just reading this, pretty cool
squeegee (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #628,232
@previous (beckyderp !4aMoRa.T2Q)
it would also seem that a galaxy can be stripped of it's dark matter. they have imaged some interesting galaxy mergers and found huge imbalances in gravitational lensing effects which lead them to believe that the collision flung all of the matter out. so it kind of informs on the properties of the stuff. it would seem that if dark matter acts as a "bowl" within which matter accumulates it can slosh its contents out, which is kind of neat.
it would also seem that a galaxy can be stripped of it's dark matter. they have imaged some interesting galaxy mergers and found huge imbalances in gravitational lensing effects which lead them to believe that the collision flung all of the matter out. so it kind of informs on the properties of the stuff. it would seem that if dark matter acts as a "bowl" within which matter accumulates it can slosh its contents out, which is kind of neat.
beckyderp !4aMoRa.T2Q replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #628,233
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #628,234
@OP
So they can prove "dark matter" exists, but they still can't prove Apollo wasn't faked. Cool story, NASA.
So they can prove "dark matter" exists, but they still can't prove Apollo wasn't faked. Cool story, NASA.
batman joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 19 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #628,241
kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #628,246
Syntax joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #628,247
Dark matter and Dark Energy. So much of it yet its only scientific speculation which is covered by Math/Physics YET is still 95.1% a mystery.
On the other hand the balance 4.9% is well understood and visible to science
On the other hand the balance 4.9% is well understood and visible to science
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,267
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,304
@628,247 (Syntax)
Were you somehow personally involved in the discover of dark matter and dark energy?
Were you somehow personally involved in the discover of dark matter and dark energy?
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,308
Syntax double-posted this 11 years ago, 30 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,310
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,312
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,321
"huge clumps"? I don't like the sound of that.
gruppi joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,336
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Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 3 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,377
@628,247 (Syntax)
Why do people believe that dark matter exists but god does not when neither have been scientifically verified?
Why do people believe that dark matter exists but god does not when neither have been scientifically verified?
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,380
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,441
@628,377 (M)
i think you're confused. people speculate that dark matter exists and are looking for evidence that proves it exists. no one is claiming it does exist and everyone should believe it despite a lack of evidence for it. science is educated guesswork and verification and disposing of that which is proven false.
it's the exact opposite of faith which you seem to have confused for the scientific method.
i think you're confused. people speculate that dark matter exists and are looking for evidence that proves it exists. no one is claiming it does exist and everyone should believe it despite a lack of evidence for it. science is educated guesswork and verification and disposing of that which is proven false.
it's the exact opposite of faith which you seem to have confused for the scientific method.
Anonymous C replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,442
squeegee (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 27 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,444
@previous (C)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
take a moment and read what's already archived on wikipedia if you're really asking. my favorite are the grammar school kids using simple radio equipment to pick up apollo 17 on the way to the moon. 3rd to 6th graders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
take a moment and read what's already archived on wikipedia if you're really asking. my favorite are the grammar school kids using simple radio equipment to pick up apollo 17 on the way to the moon. 3rd to 6th graders.
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 30 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,446
@628,442 (C)
You fool! The moon landing hoax is just a cover to draw attention away from the FACT that space travel is a hoax and ALL supposed satellite imagery and orbiter and lander images were FAKED by NASA. We have never traveled to so called "space" and it may not even exist. In fact, "the moon" is actually a hoax perpetuated by NASA. The moon is ACTUALLY a mass hallucination induced by chemtrails.
You fool! The moon landing hoax is just a cover to draw attention away from the FACT that space travel is a hoax and ALL supposed satellite imagery and orbiter and lander images were FAKED by NASA. We have never traveled to so called "space" and it may not even exist. In fact, "the moon" is actually a hoax perpetuated by NASA. The moon is ACTUALLY a mass hallucination induced by chemtrails.
Anonymous C replied with this 11 years ago, 45 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,455
@628,444 (squeegee)
There is no proof that NASA didn't just send up an unmanned vehicle that was simply broadcasting a recording. Use your common sense, please.
@previous (L)
Your tinfoil hat is showing.
There is no proof that NASA didn't just send up an unmanned vehicle that was simply broadcasting a recording. Use your common sense, please.
@previous (L)
Your tinfoil hat is showing.
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,457
@previous (C)
A demeaning response from another shill for big astronomy, NASA, and the reptilians trying to drive attention away from the real issue. Your subdermal Illuminati RFID badge and Masonic ring are showing.
A demeaning response from another shill for big astronomy, NASA, and the reptilians trying to drive attention away from the real issue. Your subdermal Illuminati RFID badge and Masonic ring are showing.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,458
Anonymous F replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,462
@628,457 (L)
By your logic there is no proof weather satellites exist.
In fact those so called wars in middle east are all fiction. Everything is peaceful.
By your logic there is no proof weather satellites exist.
In fact those so called wars in middle east are all fiction. Everything is peaceful.
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,486
@previous (F)
If you can provide solid proof, then I will believe you. BTW Any photos from NASA, the US government, or world wide news agencies I will immediately consider photoshopped and invalid. I doubt the existence of these "satellites" you falsely imply to exist. Please stop poisoning the populace with your weird claims.
If you can provide solid proof, then I will believe you. BTW Any photos from NASA, the US government, or world wide news agencies I will immediately consider photoshopped and invalid. I doubt the existence of these "satellites" you falsely imply to exist. Please stop poisoning the populace with your weird claims.
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,491
@previous (L)
Yes I No full well you are only trolling. But it did remind me that many here have seen objects in space with just their eyes like Planets n Stars and a few have even viewed a moving Satellite.
One of the very best views is to see Globalstars competitor Iridium - Iridium Flares are very interesting as they move 17,500 MPH. Iridium's body is highly reflective. My Satellites are not reflective at all.
http://www.heavens-above.com/
One can use this website to find interesting things to add to Planets n Stars. Iridium is on the list. Click it and it will tell you when YOU depending on where YOU are - can see the Satellite Flares.
So Troll no need for me to prove anything to you when U can C for self.
Oh by the way the Koran does say Earth is Flat. Bet you cannot prove otherwise.
http://www.heavens-above.com/
Yes I No full well you are only trolling. But it did remind me that many here have seen objects in space with just their eyes like Planets n Stars and a few have even viewed a moving Satellite.
One of the very best views is to see Globalstars competitor Iridium - Iridium Flares are very interesting as they move 17,500 MPH. Iridium's body is highly reflective. My Satellites are not reflective at all.
http://www.heavens-above.com/
One can use this website to find interesting things to add to Planets n Stars. Iridium is on the list. Click it and it will tell you when YOU depending on where YOU are - can see the Satellite Flares.
So Troll no need for me to prove anything to you when U can C for self.
Oh by the way the Koran does say Earth is Flat. Bet you cannot prove otherwise.
http://www.heavens-above.com/
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 13 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,493
@previous (Syntax)
You are obviously a government plant with the intention of keeping THE SHEEPLE in place. All of the photos taken on site at the Apollo missions, the photos from orbit, the video footage, the Apollo sites being imaged by the later Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, radio transmissions from earth to the moon and back, and personal testimony from numerous people who have been to the moon ARE NOT EVIDENCE!!!!11! They were faked by NASA! It is way more obvious they are a half century long worldwide conspiracy perpetuated by the Bilderberg Group, the Rothschild family, and aliens from Zeta Reptili and the Pleiadians. Obama is part of it, YOU are part of it, and every major worldwide government is part of it!
You are obviously a government plant with the intention of keeping THE SHEEPLE in place. All of the photos taken on site at the Apollo missions, the photos from orbit, the video footage, the Apollo sites being imaged by the later Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, radio transmissions from earth to the moon and back, and personal testimony from numerous people who have been to the moon ARE NOT EVIDENCE!!!!11! They were faked by NASA! It is way more obvious they are a half century long worldwide conspiracy perpetuated by the Bilderberg Group, the Rothschild family, and aliens from Zeta Reptili and the Pleiadians. Obama is part of it, YOU are part of it, and every major worldwide government is part of it!
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squeegee (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,494
ask buzz aldrin. his fists will clear up any misconceptions one may have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU
he is the wrong kind of person to call a liar to their face... lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU
he is the wrong kind of person to call a liar to their face... lol
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Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,495
squeegee (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,497
@previous (L)
me too. the man flew rockets to the fucking moon, i wouldn't think he'd be afraid to physically respond to provocations. calling that boyscout a liar would be like calling a navy seal a pussy. not the best idea.
me too. the man flew rockets to the fucking moon, i wouldn't think he'd be afraid to physically respond to provocations. calling that boyscout a liar would be like calling a navy seal a pussy. not the best idea.
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 50 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,498
@628,493 (L)
Ah got You figured out as a Christian Scientist.
> Sickness is an illusion.
Colds Flue Aids is just illusion in your mind.
Ah got You figured out as a Christian Scientist.
> Sickness is an illusion.
Colds Flue Aids is just illusion in your mind.
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,501
@628,497 (squeegee)
Oh yeah, the massive amount of moon rocks that were brought back aren't proof either. NASA just faked that.
Oh yeah, the massive amount of moon rocks that were brought back aren't proof either. NASA just faked that.
Anonymous L double-posted this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,503
@628,498 (Syntax)
I'm really just fucking around. There is a massive amount of proof. I was just trying to apply the deny-everything logic to the issue.
I'm really just fucking around. There is a massive amount of proof. I was just trying to apply the deny-everything logic to the issue.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,510
@628,501 (L)
i've heard people even deny evidence gathered by the russians. what's funny though is that the absolute best proof for the lunar landing comes from how the flight computer works. to save weight they went with a 3 gimbal instead of 4 gimbal (anti-gimbal lock) configuration for their positional tracking. this required that the flight computer be calibrated manually in-flight by reading taken from an on board sextant. this would have been an impossible feat to accomplish from the ground, and every single apollo flight ended up with gimbal lock and had to calibrate the flight computer usually more than once during a flight. this was a critical problem that would have resulted in missing lunar injection (like quite a lot of early lunar probes had done.)
so the simple fact that a vehicle of the apollo type was able to perform the kinds of course corrections made during a typical flight (as tracked by the russians) shows that manned intervention occurred. but, that's a rather high-tech example and requires people know something about how mechanical gimbals and early positional tracking was done.
i've heard people even deny evidence gathered by the russians. what's funny though is that the absolute best proof for the lunar landing comes from how the flight computer works. to save weight they went with a 3 gimbal instead of 4 gimbal (anti-gimbal lock) configuration for their positional tracking. this required that the flight computer be calibrated manually in-flight by reading taken from an on board sextant. this would have been an impossible feat to accomplish from the ground, and every single apollo flight ended up with gimbal lock and had to calibrate the flight computer usually more than once during a flight. this was a critical problem that would have resulted in missing lunar injection (like quite a lot of early lunar probes had done.)
so the simple fact that a vehicle of the apollo type was able to perform the kinds of course corrections made during a typical flight (as tracked by the russians) shows that manned intervention occurred. but, that's a rather high-tech example and requires people know something about how mechanical gimbals and early positional tracking was done.
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Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 17 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,519
@628,503 (L)
Thanks for coming out as a troll. On rare occasions I have been known to troll.
@previous (squeegee)
Way back I had a HP calculator with a moon landing program and one had to go through all the steps the apollo crew went through to land successfully. I think I got it right in one of 8 tries. Very tricky. Usually I wood run out of fuel and float.
Just looked up that Apollo computer Geeeeeshhhhh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
Worth a quick skim - All made with just One type of Fairchild three-input NOR gate,4,100 of them and Clock was 2.048 MHz.
Memory 16-bit wordlength,
2048 words RAM (magnetic core memory), 36,864 words ROM (core rope memory)
My first Engineering hands on computer assignment was to increase the production throughput of Magnetic core memory blocks. Ended up having to go on the production line to train girls how2 and I became somewhat famous for a few weeks until the girls started to throw them at me when I came down the isle.
Thanks for coming out as a troll. On rare occasions I have been known to troll.
@previous (squeegee)
Way back I had a HP calculator with a moon landing program and one had to go through all the steps the apollo crew went through to land successfully. I think I got it right in one of 8 tries. Very tricky. Usually I wood run out of fuel and float.
Just looked up that Apollo computer Geeeeeshhhhh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
Worth a quick skim - All made with just One type of Fairchild three-input NOR gate,4,100 of them and Clock was 2.048 MHz.
Memory 16-bit wordlength,
2048 words RAM (magnetic core memory), 36,864 words ROM (core rope memory)
My first Engineering hands on computer assignment was to increase the production throughput of Magnetic core memory blocks. Ended up having to go on the production line to train girls how2 and I became somewhat famous for a few weeks until the girls started to throw them at me when I came down the isle.
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,523
@628,494 (squeegee)
I seriously just watched that clip over and over. Laughing.
If you know who is confronting Buzz in that clip, and how often he has harassed him it's fucking hilarious.
I seriously just watched that clip over and over. Laughing.
If you know who is confronting Buzz in that clip, and how often he has harassed him it's fucking hilarious.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,526
but, i will say that to accept the design of the spacecraft as evidence for a crew you'd have to accept that a vehicle of the apollo type was actually launched. and that's the real big problem with most moon conspiracy stuff is that many of them deny even that. for that to be true then some kind of probe was sent (and tracked) and everyone at nasa (especially the astronauts) are all just liars and the whole thing was a hoax. which means that any evidence is outright dismissed since everything that happened post-launch is pure fabrication. that basically means that no evidence (except evidence that supports a hoax) will ever be considered as valid by deniers. they'll always just move the goal posts and call any supporting evidence part of the lie.
artifacts on the moon (ie reflectors): simply unmanned landers
flights tracked by 3rd parties: simply unmanned probed
direct communication with astronauts: scripted pre-recordings played back via radio from said probes
photographs and video: secret hollywood sound stage
moon rocks: fake moon rocks
testimony from literally tens of thousands of people present for the entire program including astronauts, controllers, engineers, scientists and family members: all liars
short of taking the denier back in time, making them an astronaut and launching them to the moon no amount of "proof" will ever be conclusive enough.
artifacts on the moon (ie reflectors): simply unmanned landers
flights tracked by 3rd parties: simply unmanned probed
direct communication with astronauts: scripted pre-recordings played back via radio from said probes
photographs and video: secret hollywood sound stage
moon rocks: fake moon rocks
testimony from literally tens of thousands of people present for the entire program including astronauts, controllers, engineers, scientists and family members: all liars
short of taking the denier back in time, making them an astronaut and launching them to the moon no amount of "proof" will ever be conclusive enough.
squeegee (OP) double-posted this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,532
@628,523 (L)
i love that he did that. anyone else might have gotten an assault charge, but calling buzz aldrin a liar is clearly a provocation that begs for a physical response. aldrin was defending himself, it's lovely.
i love that he did that. anyone else might have gotten an assault charge, but calling buzz aldrin a liar is clearly a provocation that begs for a physical response. aldrin was defending himself, it's lovely.
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #628,533
@628,526 (squeegee)
> short of taking the denier back in time, making them an astronaut and launching them to the moon no amount of "proof" will ever be conclusive enough.
Pretty much
> moon rocks: fake moon rocks
Funny thing is moon rock is different from earth rock. (i.e. different ratios of isotopes of various elements and concentrations of certain elements) This wouldn't fool geologists, and simply gathering up moon meteors wouldn't either because the passage falling through the atmosphere (read: a fuckton of heat involved) leaves a pretty distinctive mark on the rocks. Plus the Soviet samples matched ours. But maybe it's all a big conspiracy, and we can't trust the gubbment, right?
@previous (squeegee)
I have heard that when Bart was complaining to police that "that man" was a criminal he was told by a police officer that "That man is an American hero." I'm fairly sure this is rumor and hearsay, but I like to imagine it actually happened.
> short of taking the denier back in time, making them an astronaut and launching them to the moon no amount of "proof" will ever be conclusive enough.
Pretty much
> moon rocks: fake moon rocks
Funny thing is moon rock is different from earth rock. (i.e. different ratios of isotopes of various elements and concentrations of certain elements) This wouldn't fool geologists, and simply gathering up moon meteors wouldn't either because the passage falling through the atmosphere (read: a fuckton of heat involved) leaves a pretty distinctive mark on the rocks. Plus the Soviet samples matched ours. But maybe it's all a big conspiracy, and we can't trust the gubbment, right?
@previous (squeegee)
I have heard that when Bart was complaining to police that "that man" was a criminal he was told by a police officer that "That man is an American hero." I'm fairly sure this is rumor and hearsay, but I like to imagine it actually happened.
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