Topic: Why we actually need to think about the "gay agenda"
Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago #47,845
WHY THE "GAY AGENDA" IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT: Let me get real for a second. Systems of prejudice are not arbitrary. These systems didn't just /happen/ -- they were created for specific purposes, to fulfill the military and political strategies of the People In Charge.
Let's not be naive. Marginalized peoples are dehumanized and degraded for specific reasons. Women have been degraded since the Burning Times because the natural power of women (the holders of life and natural keepers of the Old Religion) was a threat to the rise of patriarchal civilization based on oppression and violence, and women are still degraded because the feminine continues to threaten the dominance of this uber-fragile neo-masculinity required to sustain a violent and oppressive culture. The fabricated idea of whiteness created racism to justify Western Civ's violent expansion into and exploitation of lands populated by people of differing skin tones, as well as the continuing exploitation of people of color. So why are queers among the list of oppressed peoples?
Before the rise of patriarchal civilization, queers were the political, spiritual, and medicinal adepts of pretty much all "uncivilized" nature societies. We quite literally hold the balance between male and female energies. We have mediated these forces since the dawn of time. In a world increasingly focused on "black vs white" "women vs men" "gay vs straight" "trans vs cis" "Christian vs ...everything else" "Democrat vs Republican" "western power vs eastern power" "privileged vs unprivileged" "civilized vs wild", we need these natural mediators more than ever.
Queers have an indispensable quality unlike any other group of people -- we transcend boundaries and categories. We exist in every culture, every skin tone, every religion, every nation, and every family. We cannot be exterminated by genocide. We are not bound by blood but liberated by spirit. We have always existed to hold the balance of the natural forces in this world. We are the gatekeepers between this life and the next. When our power is respected, there can be peace rather than conflict. Mediation leads to understanding, not war.
Queer people are not a novelty. Queerness is not about sex anymore than life itself is about sex. The liberation of queer people stands for bringing balance and peace back to a world that's been knocked /way/ out of whack. This isn't about marriage. This isn't about monogamous love. This isn't about the nuclear family.
Queers are literally killed by their own families and communities in many parts of the world today. Many first world queers are allowing themselves to be distracted by recent efforts for greater ease of assimilation. We as queers have a purpose and responsibility to represent a world family not tied by culture, blood, appearance, or ideology. We are uniquely qualified to represent humanity as a whole -- to bridge categories and divisions -- to mediate between groups -- to solve conflict and reclaim peace -- to hold the balance.
We as humans need a radical shift in the way queers are represented, perceived, and treated. We are not the source of evil in this world (violence and oppression [read: evil] have run rampant far more with the rise of Christianity and other anti-queer ideologies than before); we are the source of balance. How can we as queers tap into our natural abilities to bring peace to a world in desperate need of balance? How can we represent ourselves in a way that truly conveys our timeless message -- rather than the assimilationist goals of the modern gay rights movement? How can we tap into our power in order to be better perceived by the world as a transcendent people with the unique capability to unite humanity?
Let's not be naive. Marginalized peoples are dehumanized and degraded for specific reasons. Women have been degraded since the Burning Times because the natural power of women (the holders of life and natural keepers of the Old Religion) was a threat to the rise of patriarchal civilization based on oppression and violence, and women are still degraded because the feminine continues to threaten the dominance of this uber-fragile neo-masculinity required to sustain a violent and oppressive culture. The fabricated idea of whiteness created racism to justify Western Civ's violent expansion into and exploitation of lands populated by people of differing skin tones, as well as the continuing exploitation of people of color. So why are queers among the list of oppressed peoples?
Before the rise of patriarchal civilization, queers were the political, spiritual, and medicinal adepts of pretty much all "uncivilized" nature societies. We quite literally hold the balance between male and female energies. We have mediated these forces since the dawn of time. In a world increasingly focused on "black vs white" "women vs men" "gay vs straight" "trans vs cis" "Christian vs ...everything else" "Democrat vs Republican" "western power vs eastern power" "privileged vs unprivileged" "civilized vs wild", we need these natural mediators more than ever.
Queers have an indispensable quality unlike any other group of people -- we transcend boundaries and categories. We exist in every culture, every skin tone, every religion, every nation, and every family. We cannot be exterminated by genocide. We are not bound by blood but liberated by spirit. We have always existed to hold the balance of the natural forces in this world. We are the gatekeepers between this life and the next. When our power is respected, there can be peace rather than conflict. Mediation leads to understanding, not war.
Queer people are not a novelty. Queerness is not about sex anymore than life itself is about sex. The liberation of queer people stands for bringing balance and peace back to a world that's been knocked /way/ out of whack. This isn't about marriage. This isn't about monogamous love. This isn't about the nuclear family.
Queers are literally killed by their own families and communities in many parts of the world today. Many first world queers are allowing themselves to be distracted by recent efforts for greater ease of assimilation. We as queers have a purpose and responsibility to represent a world family not tied by culture, blood, appearance, or ideology. We are uniquely qualified to represent humanity as a whole -- to bridge categories and divisions -- to mediate between groups -- to solve conflict and reclaim peace -- to hold the balance.
We as humans need a radical shift in the way queers are represented, perceived, and treated. We are not the source of evil in this world (violence and oppression [read: evil] have run rampant far more with the rise of Christianity and other anti-queer ideologies than before); we are the source of balance. How can we as queers tap into our natural abilities to bring peace to a world in desperate need of balance? How can we represent ourselves in a way that truly conveys our timeless message -- rather than the assimilationist goals of the modern gay rights movement? How can we tap into our power in order to be better perceived by the world as a transcendent people with the unique capability to unite humanity?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #626,295
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #626,296
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,332
gays need to 'stay in the closet'..
noone wants to witness such nasty foggotry..
if you want to poke someone in their poopchute...go right ahead...but do not expect me to get all ezcited about it...fruitloop..
noone wants to witness such nasty foggotry..
if you want to poke someone in their poopchute...go right ahead...but do not expect me to get all ezcited about it...fruitloop..
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,336
You know what's worse than the gay agenda?
The albino agenda.
The albino agenda.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,339
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Tl:dr
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this is what happens when you smoke weed while reading the davinci code
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Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 24 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,588
@626,550 (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
I am not abnormal...well not sexually anyhow..
heteros do not have hetero pride parades...heteros do not include men who take a serious interest in sounding like women when they talk..
the whole 'flamer' thing is just so over the top...there is NO need for it...if a man sounds like a man and dresses like a man and wants to go smooch on another man...that doesn't make me cringe...but the flamers make me cringe..
I am not abnormal...well not sexually anyhow..
heteros do not have hetero pride parades...heteros do not include men who take a serious interest in sounding like women when they talk..
the whole 'flamer' thing is just so over the top...there is NO need for it...if a man sounds like a man and dresses like a man and wants to go smooch on another man...that doesn't make me cringe...but the flamers make me cringe..
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,592
@previous (D)
people also don't get beaten up/disowned/arrested/etc for being heterosexual.
fuck off, your alcoholism is over the top
people also don't get beaten up/disowned/arrested/etc for being heterosexual.
fuck off, your alcoholism is over the top
Green joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,594
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,595
@626,592 (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
no need to be so testy..
I say it is wrong as fuck for someone to be beaten up/disowned/arrested/etc for 'loving' another person of the same sex..
I do think it's a brain disorder people are born with...and that doesn't mean they are bad people...there is just something that went wrong...like some people are born with deformities or stuff..
I bet someday scientists will figure out how to help them..
no need to be so testy..
I say it is wrong as fuck for someone to be beaten up/disowned/arrested/etc for 'loving' another person of the same sex..
I do think it's a brain disorder people are born with...and that doesn't mean they are bad people...there is just something that went wrong...like some people are born with deformities or stuff..
I bet someday scientists will figure out how to help them..
Anonymous D double-posted this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,596
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,597
@previous (D)
Do they have dicks? I hate to break it to you, but even if they identify as women, they are men. It's ok to be gay, Bert. I think a lot of your pent up anger is because you want to come out. Come out the closet dude.
Do they have dicks? I hate to break it to you, but even if they identify as women, they are men. It's ok to be gay, Bert. I think a lot of your pent up anger is because you want to come out. Come out the closet dude.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,600
@previous (Green)
why you using green's name..
and no...except for a couple of experimental episodes waaaaaaaaaaay back in the day...I have never played with a penis other than my own..
why you using green's name..
and no...except for a couple of experimental episodes waaaaaaaaaaay back in the day...I have never played with a penis other than my own..
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,603
@626,595 (D)
why do you think not being heterosexual is a mental defect
it's a boon to social communities which is an entire hypothesis in itself
http://www.livescience.com/6106-gay-uncles-pass-genes.html
why do you think not being heterosexual is a mental defect
it's a boon to social communities which is an entire hypothesis in itself
http://www.livescience.com/6106-gay-uncles-pass-genes.html
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,612
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 27 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,617
@626,603 (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
interesting article..
seems to me however...that such a theory if it actually played out how I followed it though...could be construed as a hindrance to the well being of the community outside the subjects family...since the 'gay uncles' were predisposed to focus all their nurturing on their own relatives...whereas the heteros were said to no bias in their affection for all children...gay or straight..
such a thing would certainly be beneficial for the children with the 'gay uncle' sure..
I thought osomething said in the comment section was remarkable...the guy wondered if gay people perhaps were missing a 'hetero' gene....as opposed to the common hypothesis that they have a gay gene which heteros do not..
that is kind of line in my guesses about how the whole gay thing is linked to a 'disorder'..
interesting article..
seems to me however...that such a theory if it actually played out how I followed it though...could be construed as a hindrance to the well being of the community outside the subjects family...since the 'gay uncles' were predisposed to focus all their nurturing on their own relatives...whereas the heteros were said to no bias in their affection for all children...gay or straight..
such a thing would certainly be beneficial for the children with the 'gay uncle' sure..
I thought osomething said in the comment section was remarkable...the guy wondered if gay people perhaps were missing a 'hetero' gene....as opposed to the common hypothesis that they have a gay gene which heteros do not..
that is kind of line in my guesses about how the whole gay thing is linked to a 'disorder'..
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,623
RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,626
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,631
@626,623 (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
perhaps not..
but maybe think down syndrome...or sickle cell anemia...there are many precedents for situations where if the genes aren't right...a certain chaos will result..
perhaps not..
but maybe think down syndrome...or sickle cell anemia...there are many precedents for situations where if the genes aren't right...a certain chaos will result..
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 11 years ago, 13 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,637
@previous (D)
except being gay doesn't result in "chaos"
@626,626 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
if there aren't there should be
except being gay doesn't result in "chaos"
@626,626 (RWBY Rhubarb? !!iNo3FkiZx)
if there aren't there should be
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,642
@previous (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
if being gay is dandy....why shouldn't the entire populace go gay...I think about sixty or seventy years after such a change there might be a bit of chaos..
if being gay is dandy....why shouldn't the entire populace go gay...I think about sixty or seventy years after such a change there might be a bit of chaos..
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,645
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Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,653
@previous (kook !!Phkn/3Gic)
that sentence doesn't really make sense in response to my post? pls explain
that sentence doesn't really make sense in response to my post? pls explain
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,656
now now...ladies..
let's be civil here..
let's be civil here..
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kook !!Phkn/3Gic replied with this 11 years ago, 37 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #626,658
@626,653 (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
It's not a mental disorder if nearly everyone has it and it works to continue the human species. It's like saying to an asthmatic, maybe the people who can breathe properly are actually the sick ones.
It's not a mental disorder if nearly everyone has it and it works to continue the human species. It's like saying to an asthmatic, maybe the people who can breathe properly are actually the sick ones.