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Topic: Why don't they just make a reformed English that looks normal?

Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #4,764

http://members.multimania.co.uk/rre/Sample.html

Look that this shit. Weird as hell.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later[^] [v] #84,394

> oo
How the hell would that be pronounced "or"?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #84,395

@previous (B)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,413

@previous (A)
Maybe you should start pronouncing your god damn 'R's then. You know, the British English that was spoken just a couple hundred years ago was closer to what American English is today than what British English is today. This non-rhotic bullshit is a fairly recent phenomenon.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,416

@previous (C)

Maybe we should start pronouncing words like backwards hicks who haven't changed in over a hundred years

YES GOOD IDEA

while we're at it lets start pronouncing our gh's like we're coughing up phlem, since that's how it used to be pronounced

and don't forget to pronounce wh as hw, since that's how we used to do it before we evolved and moved on

Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,418

@previous (D)
> Implying that these arbitrary changes are "evolution" and automatically better and anyone who doesn't follow them is a backwards idiot

You sound like a bigot. There's nothing more sophisticated about the way you speak.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,420

@previous (C)
I never said anything about rhoticists being idiots. Just that changes in the Englihs language haven't reached them just yet. (if you go to the country and other backwards parts of britain they also speak with rhotic accents.)

Non-rhotic English does sound nicer. That's a fact I've been told many times by both native and non-native speakers of it. For that reason alone it is more "sophisticated".

Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 18 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,424

@previous (D)
There is nothing "backwards" about accents. There is no such thing as cultural evolution, and even if there was, something that arbitrary wouldn't apply, so stop with the cultural superiority bullshit. Also, whichever one sounds nicer is simply a matter of opinion, not fact. It sounds nicer to you because you're used to it and culturally biased, and the only reason some rhotic speakers say it sounds nicer is simply because people like exotic accents. There's nothing sophisticated about it, and to proclaim that accents can determine sophistication is a bunch of elitist bullshit.

To be honest, I can't stand the British accent, especially on women, but I don't declare them to be "backwards" or "inferior" or "unsophisticated" simply because of their accents.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,428

@previous (C)

> There is no such thing as cultural evolution...

Really?

Modern European culture with all its knowledge and progress is really no better than some primitive shit-worshiping tribal culture?

> ...and even if there was, something that arbitrary wouldn't apply...

Aesthetics absolutely are important.

> It sounds nicer to you because you're used to it and culturally biased, and the only reason some rhotic speakers say it sounds nicer is simply because people like exotic accents.

It's sounds nicer to me because I'm used to it, but it sounds nicer to everyone else because they're not used to it? How does that make sense?

And why does it even matter if everyone thinks it sounds nicer?

> There's nothing sophisticated about it, and to proclaim that accents can determine sophistication is a bunch of elitist bullshit.

Nonsense.

> To be honest, I can't stand the British accent, especially on women...

g4u.

> ...but I don't declare them to be "backwards" or "inferior" or "unsophisticated" simply because of their accents.

Me neither. Because British accents aren't backwards or inferior.

Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,432

@previous (D)
Cultural relativism, progress means different things to different people and different cultures, aesthetics are a matter of opinion, and I don't declare them to be inferior, not because they're not but because I'm not a prick like you.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,438

@previous (C)

> ...a prick like you.

Can someone explain why Americans have such an inferiority complex? wth. Chances are I would be dead by now if I lived in Africa. That's proof enough to me that some cultures are better than others.

Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,441

@previous (D)
You're right, African cultures are better because because people like you would be dead.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,442

@previous (C)

oh god lol. u mad.

The Owl !KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,484

@84,413 (C)

People in my area speak with a rhotic accent.

psychopath !PAHVpsycho joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 30 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,499

> kansyumeyshan
> Not: konsumeishen
Wat dialekt is this gai spiking?

(Edited 4 minutes later.)

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,501

@previous (psychopath !PAHVpsycho)
That's how I'd pronounce it.

psychopath !PAHVpsycho replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,504

@previous (D)
I find it odd how certain people pronounce their "o" as "a".

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,505

@previous (psychopath !PAHVpsycho)
oh wait. i don't do that. I just do the syu thing.

psychopath !PAHVpsycho replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,506

@previous (D)
My "u"s are pronounced like the Baltic/Slavic "y".

The Owl !KThEOwLwbU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,507

I read it in some kind of a caribbean accent.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,508

@84,506 (psychopath !PAHVpsycho)
that doesn't really help. I got not idea how baltic/slavic y's are pronounced.

psychopath !PAHVpsycho replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,510

@previous (D)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_back_rounded_vowel

The Owl !KThEOwLwbU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #84,511

@84,508 (D)

Like 'yuh', I think, but with emphasis on the 'uh'

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 11 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #85,248

Why reform English at all?
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