Topic: FAO: Eels

Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #475

I saw you talking about Windows 7 so I partitioned my Linux installation and gave it a try.

This is nice, but I still prefer Linux. What's so special about it? :/

I admit music is infinitely better though.

(Edited 16 seconds later.)

Mr Johnson !8RsxK0x1Jo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #8,924

ubuntu?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,927

@previous (Mr Johnson !8RsxK0x1Jo)
ooboontoo
ubantoo
orbongo

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,936

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
XP is quicker and does all the same things.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 19 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,938

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Care to elaborate?

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,950

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Makes sense. Just curious though; why are you running Windows on your Macbook? Don't you like OS X? Because that's what made me wonder "wow, 7 must kick some major ass".

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,957

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Excessive memory usage and eye candy leads to a bad experience.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,966

@previous (D)
According to the task manager, my Windows 7 install is only using a third of my RAM; that's about as much as a vanilla Ubuntu install for me (3GB DDR2). Considering how nice it looks and how responsive it is, that's pretty good.

The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,989

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
What is an accelerated GUI?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,990

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
That's a great point; I've never needed any Windows-only programs so it never made a difference to me.
I'm probably going to keep this installed for the sake of having the best of both worlds.
Also, even the most seasoned open source fanatic hates X.org, bloated piece of buggy shit makes Windows' window management feel like sex. I really, really hope Ubuntu really is switching to Wayland.

(Edited 55 seconds later.)

The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #8,997

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
ah ok

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #9,013

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
I would imagine. :)
Yeah, to me the benefits only outweigh the downsides by a thin margin. This foobar2000 program my friend told me about that I installed reminds me what I miss about Windows....some stuff really does need a corporate backing to work well (audio as a whole, not the program).

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #9,018

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
cost

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #9,024

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
I have a few reasons, they're subjective though. My aspirations are not in technology so I can use whatever I damn well please so long as it gets the job done. :P
But um....doesn't Windows 7 have the Subsystem for Unix-based Applications? Does it suck or something?

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #9,046

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Mostly it's because I think and operate in words and phrases, not pictures and buttons. A terminal feels natural to me, as weird as it sounds.
Debian's APT and repositories have been a hugely convenient time saver for me. I like being able to install something by opening up a terminal, typing in a command and waiting forty seconds. And if I can't do that, .deb packages are easy to find. I've even bought Linux-compatible games with Debian packages ready to go.
I also like being able to customize and personalize the fuck out of the desktop to where it feels comfortable and natural to use. If there's a little quirk here and there, I can spend a minute fixing it and my computer feels more natural to use from then on.
I have run into some troubles here and there but I feel that it was worth it; I'm a writer, so a smooth, comfortable workspace is needed to focus and let creative energy flow.

Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #9,064

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
I prefer to use AbiWord, a magnificent little word processor. If I need to make the text look pretty, though, I use LaTeX.
I use GNOME or Xfce. There isn't enough time in the world to make KDE comfortable to use.

Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #9,100

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
If I'm going to use a tiling WM I go for awesome. Sooooooooooooooo much fun.

advi !!3gpAcg/hF (OP) quintuple-posted this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #9,124

yep, finally done installing

thanks eels, i was trying to practice changing my text voice and 4chan loads too slow.

i would pick something like politics or religion but trolling makes it too easy

(Edited 5 minutes later.)

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #9,138

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Because Windows XP has all the relevant functionality that Windows 7 has

advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,546

u no haet me? :( sorry I was bored and wanted to talk

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,661

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Its odd you get so excited about operating systems.

Very odd.

advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,662

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

luddism?

advi !!3gpAcg/hF double-posted this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,672

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

there's a reason I directed this thread at you, lol

Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 35 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,673

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Please dont get into psychology.

sim !SimonKaPg. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,683

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
What?

advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,812

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

yes, and it made me wat hard

advi !!3gpAcg/hF double-posted this 15 years ago, 18 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,841

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

It was strange but genuinely amazing to use. What would those patches do exactly?

advi !!3gpAcg/hF triple-posted this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,851

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

Sounds pretty cool. If they included Wayland it would already be more usable than GNU/Linux.

advi !!3gpAcg/hF quadruple-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,856

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

A guy can dream can't he? :p

advi !!3gpAcg/hF quintuple-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,869

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

Then it really would be as innovative and magical as they say in their ads.

advi !!3gpAcg/hF sextuple-posted this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,877

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)

Absolutely. I need to whip up a hackintosh when I get the money.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,894

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
FreeDOS doesn't have multitasking. Do you even know what DOS is? It's cute how you have a limited understanding of operating systems yet have such a strong opinion of them. You'd make a great politician!

Anonymous D double-posted this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,905

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
lol. I know you're trolling at this point. But your "debates" are always fun, so I'll play along.

> FreeDOS isn't an OS as it doesn't maintain control over the hardware. Think of it as a bootloader. There were, indeed, TSR and programs that allowed multitasking.
lolno.

> Also the lack of multitasking is not the lack of it in the progamming but rather the lack of it in the CPU Mode DOS needs while operating; this is REAL mode.
Real mode, protected mode, and long mode have jack shit to do with it. Operating systems never made use of the TSS (only available in p-mode and later depreciated in long mode). Multi-tasking is implemented by clock interrupts which every CPU has had since the beginning of time. It would in fact be impossible to design a CPU not based on the clock.

> Any program that DOS laods (which effectively becomes the OS) can switch to protected mode allowing mutli-tasking.
And then it effectively takes the role of the OS: see Windows 9x and friends.

Try again!

Anonymous D triple-posted this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #9,930

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> Lets define OS. OK?
> blah blah blah
> DOS isn't an OS
Oh, okay. You should learn how to correctly do a bait and switch. Normally when this is attempted the discussion is changed with the aid of circular reasoning to "prove" the point. You've done the opposite and ended up refuting yourself. You first claim that FreeDOS has all the functionality of Windows 7:
> ...So does FreeDOS really...
Now you claim that it's not even an OS, refuting what you said earlier. Be more careful next time, bud.

> Multitasking cannot be done in safely in REAL mode.
Segmentation.
> Of course it can be done but it has certain terrible short comings.
Such ass?

Anonymous D quadruple-posted this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,263

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> Memory corruption.
Segmentation.

> It is fully extensible and has been extended to do everything that XP can do.
I'm sure you can think of a bigger lie than that.

Anonymous D quintuple-posted this 15 years ago, 25 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,287

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> Why do you keep saying segmentation? Do you even know what that means? It has nothing to do with the memory not being protected.
Yes, but you don't. You also can't even comprehend simple sentences:
> In computing, memory segmentation is one of the most common ways to achieve memory protection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_segmentation

> The Linux kernel can run as a DOS device, so I think I am right here.
But as you've argued, DOS isn't really an operating system so the comparison to Windows is invalid.

Anonymous D sextuple-posted this 15 years ago, 33 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,334

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> Doesn't exist on all devices that support REAL mode. Not really usable nor does it provide adequate protection.
Even the 8086 supported segmentation; it's a feature that every single Intel processor has had and was one of the Intel processor's main selling points. And it has and still is usable, even in long mode. The intel manuals have consistently maintained this too, in congruence with what the Wikipedia article says.

> Next you are going to be arguing Linux is not an operating system when it is loaded by Grub.
lol, that's basically what your argument was for DOS and a good example of your position in general.

Anonymous D septuple-posted this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,343

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> [citations needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8086#Segmentation
You aren't even trying any more.

> Jesus, it isn't like any modern OS which is why it is fully extensible. You can't use this against me in two opposite ways to prove your point. It is either not an modern OS that delegates no control over the hardware which it allows it to be fully extensible or it doesn't.
It's exactly what you've been doing.

> DOS isn't an OS
> No, it is an OS
Please be consistent.

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,344

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Why so anon, Eels?

advi !!3gpAcg/hF (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,355

sim !SimonKaPg. replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,399

Serious debates on Minichan.

Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,415

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> It isn't a modern OS and does nothing an OS should do; label it how you will.
Oh, okay. And how does this relate at all to your original position?

> It is nearly impossible to write multitasking code in real mode. I have never seen an example of multitasking in real mode, so for all practical reasons it is impossible. Even with segmentation it is easy easy to corrupt the memory.
It's actually easier to implement than modern day paging. Paging requires the creation and maintenance of a large page table. Segmentation requires just the creation of a GDT and LDT. Instead of having an entry for each 4kb page, these tables only have an entry for each process running. If the DPL is set (which is easier and more versatile than the ring0-3 protection mechanism with paging), then there's no way to access memory outside of the segment.

http://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19776

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous D double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,416

@10,399 (sim !SimonKaPg.)
du arg.

Anonymous D triple-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,424

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Check it out.

Anonymous D quadruple-posted this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #10,440

(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> Still requires a 286 or higher.
Only due to the BIOS, not because of the segmentation.

> What software has used this technique?
The one I linked. The reason why this was never used is largely historical, not technical. somewhat similar as to why the TSS was never used.