Doctor Dick !DEePerQmUQ joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later[^][v]#600,146
The guy they're doing it on has spinal muscular atrophy and he's said that even if he is quadriplegic or he dies in the process he doesn't care because he wants to take that chance, Canavero has done it with mice successfully but nobody is sure if it will work on people or not, Canavero is convinced it will though.
brie !uXWPG0MygI joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^][v]#600,147
This is relevant to my interests.
beckyderp !4aMoRa.T2Q joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 24 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^][v]#600,161
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#600,185
@600,178 (Doctor Dick !DEePerQmUQ)
Good point. Only a partial brain transplant.
kook !!Phkn/3Gic replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^][v]#600,188
@600,184 (Doctor Dick !DEePerQmUQ)
This song is so cute and I'm glad that you showed it to me. I like that the British have a racist N word and a racist P word. We dont have that here.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^][v]#600,195
yeah, i read about this. there is a pretty big pushback in the medical community against it. yeah, dude could die, but he actually probably won't. like not immediately anyway. They've already done this with a monkey, they severed the head and kept it alive with tube-fed blood. it eventually died because they just wanted to see if the head could survive that level of trauma. they had no plan to keep it alive for any length of time. And with modern antibiotics and antirejection drugs and all that it's very possible the head will not immediately be rejected. it could actually work, and the guy could potentially live as long as the drugs are taken. and that's where it gets kinda scary.
the "fusing the spinal cord" part is very much a trial run. They've got a drug cocktail that they flush the spinal cord with and that propagates growth. but, the repair is, for lack of a better word, random. The spinal cord is a bundle of nerves, and there's no way they can cause the cord to fuse nerves from the head to the correct nerves in the neck. they'll just kinda fuse together and it's (according to the work they did with mice) possible to propagate a signal across the fused area. the signals could possibly be so fucked up because it gets scrambled at the "fuse" that the head perceives... who the fuck knows what? it would be like cutting a bundle of data cabling and just pressing the ends together with glue and hope all the right wires are touching each other.
some doctors think the nerves will end up signalling nothing but intense and grueling pain into the head, as if your whole body is in incredible pain.
maybe the signals are just blocked and you're 100% paralyzed and need a breathing machine AND a pacemaker and end up with a permanent breathing tube. couldn't even talk to anyone. and it would be permanent.
the risk is just incredibly high that he won't actually be improving his quality of life at all, and in fact may entirely diminish what remains.
i think what'll end up happening is that the dude will survive, and eventually request a DNR order and refuse the breathing tube. i think that the medical establishment that exists to day goes too far in some instances and takes extreme measures to prolong life when they should have enough of a conscience to make sure that people have a dignified death.
turning this man into a willing lab rat by dangling the carrot of life in his face is cruel.
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Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 59 minutes after the original post[^][v]#600,197
@previous (squeegee) > turning this man into a willing lab rat by dangling the carrot of life in his face is cruel
Its his life. He should have the option.
Doctor Dick !DEePerQmUQ replied with this 11 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#600,245
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 25 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#600,251
There was article in Whole Earth Quarterly a couple of decades ago about this topic and how someone took a patent on the idea in order to prevent anyone from actually doing it. I guess the patent ran out. Anyway, some fucked up trannies can swap bodies couldn't they.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 49 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#600,264
@600,245 (Doctor Dick !DEePerQmUQ)
well, IF what they are doing is medically unethical like a lot of doctors are saying then them being approached doesn't make it ethical.
@600,197 (G)
yeah... but should the doctors have "head transplant" as a medical option. right now
i mean, i don't know. from what i've read there's a lot of skepticism in the medical community with some folks calling it an unethical procedure. Doctors take an oath to do no harm, and many doctors feel this is a violation of that and the only thing that can come from it is harm.
sure a person has the right to do what they like with their life, but doctors aren't absolved from their ethical responsibilities just because i want some procedure done. maybe i think that my quality of life will improve if i have my head cut off and put on a 6 foot tall body because my 5 foot tall body isn't as strong. And the doctors going around saying, "oh, we can give you a new body and it'll improve the quality of your life, all we need is a volunteer" might actually be severely misleading this man. and everyone else. it could be that the doctor is as interested in his own fame and he may not be acting only for the patients best interests.
Anyway, we'll see i guess. but i wouldn't be surprised if some kind of injunction gets placed on this. if not, i hope the patient doesn't suffer a diminished quality of life. but i guess if we're ever going to have cyborgs and body farms and weird sci-fi implants and shit then we'll have to start with the human experimentation sometime.
kook !!Phkn/3Gic replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#600,270
@600,251 (J)
that will never happen, because they'd be too high risk for the effort
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#600,631
This seems like it's just going to cause a legal mess. Honestly, the recovery from this sort of thing has got to be so horrible and traumatic that even if it was ultimately successful, I doubt anybody would be happy they had it done.
Also, at what point is it appropriate to stop calling it a head transplant and start calling it a body transplant? Is it the head being transplanted, or is it the body?