Topic: Its moral to be immoral?
Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago #45,333
If you constantly think about being moral, then you aren't living naturally. To try and always be moral is like having someone criticize you all the time no matter what you do and that only takes away your strength and energy. Therefore you must sometimes ignore the idea of being moral since there is no use in being moral if you are weak and tired.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later[^] [v] #598,580
Concept is to vague. Muslims say eating bacon is immoral.Catholics say harvesting abortion material is immoral.
All religions say sex without marriage is immoral.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #598,581
@previous (B)
So what you are saying is, despite your image... you can't think of any other source of knowledge regarding morality? Like yourself?
So what you are saying is, despite your image... you can't think of any other source of knowledge regarding morality? Like yourself?
Anonymous B replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #598,583
@previous (A)
I think based on parents as role models and later during dating phases and observing other parents close up - I developed a mix of values.
Morals are complex shit. To be comfortable in ones skin, one has to have an open mind. Easier said then done.
I think based on parents as role models and later during dating phases and observing other parents close up - I developed a mix of values.
Morals are complex shit. To be comfortable in ones skin, one has to have an open mind. Easier said then done.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #598,585
@previous (B)
> Morals are complex shit.
Damn right. Parents, other parents and experiences does have a huge effect. There is however no greater effect on morality then the society that you live in. Aren't wars an extra large group of people coming together and deciding that it IS moral to kill as well as fight the perceived enemy?
I think that now we have wondered away from the right path since now days there is an empathis on being moral ALL the time. This makes us tired and weak.
> Morals are complex shit.
Damn right. Parents, other parents and experiences does have a huge effect. There is however no greater effect on morality then the society that you live in. Aren't wars an extra large group of people coming together and deciding that it IS moral to kill as well as fight the perceived enemy?
I think that now we have wondered away from the right path since now days there is an empathis on being moral ALL the time. This makes us tired and weak.
Anonymous B replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #598,593
@previous (A)
> being moral ALL the time. This makes us tired and weak.
I do not feel weak or tired at all. In the past I found it necessary to evade paying business tax's to USA IRS - Used the proceeds to grow the company which resulted in hiring more employees - IRS over all gained more tax's - Was in immoral to evade those taxes? Of course - Was it Moral to do what I did? Yes. Did I have concern if caught? Yes.
> being moral ALL the time. This makes us tired and weak.
I do not feel weak or tired at all. In the past I found it necessary to evade paying business tax's to USA IRS - Used the proceeds to grow the company which resulted in hiring more employees - IRS over all gained more tax's - Was in immoral to evade those taxes? Of course - Was it Moral to do what I did? Yes. Did I have concern if caught? Yes.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #598,600
@previous (B)
I don't fully understand but it sounds like you knew you were doing something immoral but you did it anyway, for the greater good. That is kind of what i am advocating. You may not see yourself as being immoral sometimes but others in your position would.
I don't know how to explain it but for a long time i have been to focused on how things should be. Too focused on the Ideal, the ideal place is a place with no immoral things right? So its important to know that whatever defines the ideal moral place isn't your mind because your mind will always find something that isn't right or something that needs changing.
In other words, its like a fundamentalist christian who is a homosexual and trying to be heterosexual. The more he would try to be heterosexual, the more he reminds himself he isn't.
I don't fully understand but it sounds like you knew you were doing something immoral but you did it anyway, for the greater good. That is kind of what i am advocating. You may not see yourself as being immoral sometimes but others in your position would.
I don't know how to explain it but for a long time i have been to focused on how things should be. Too focused on the Ideal, the ideal place is a place with no immoral things right? So its important to know that whatever defines the ideal moral place isn't your mind because your mind will always find something that isn't right or something that needs changing.
In other words, its like a fundamentalist christian who is a homosexual and trying to be heterosexual. The more he would try to be heterosexual, the more he reminds himself he isn't.
Anonymous B replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #598,604
@previous (A)
Perhaps you are over thinking this. Trying to always be moral, when there is wiggle room to exactly what is moral. Life is difficult enough. One has to find values that makes one comfortable. Anything else is just not going to work.
Perhaps you are over thinking this. Trying to always be moral, when there is wiggle room to exactly what is moral. Life is difficult enough. One has to find values that makes one comfortable. Anything else is just not going to work.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #598,612
@previous (B)
But in a way, the above is my way to think about it less. There is this constant self criticizing and its not doing anything good. So i am criticizing that part of myself, turning the table. Instead of feeling low i instead excuse myself and ask how i could even begin to be a decent person if i don't even treat myself decently.
But in a way, the above is my way to think about it less. There is this constant self criticizing and its not doing anything good. So i am criticizing that part of myself, turning the table. Instead of feeling low i instead excuse myself and ask how i could even begin to be a decent person if i don't even treat myself decently.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 14 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #598,818
@previous (A)
I know what you mean, it can feel like a struggle to get the balance right. On the one hand you could think about the rights and wrongs of every single action becoming too apprehensive to act, or going the other way you could throw it all away and risk acting like a psychopath coke-head.
What gives you confidence in your actions without having to over-analyse them?
I know what you mean, it can feel like a struggle to get the balance right. On the one hand you could think about the rights and wrongs of every single action becoming too apprehensive to act, or going the other way you could throw it all away and risk acting like a psychopath coke-head.
What gives you confidence in your actions without having to over-analyse them?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #598,964
its moral to be immortal