Topic: The US is the only first world nation with so many guns readily available to almost anyone.
FORAMASTER 3000 !UMORAXti6g started this discussion 11 years ago #45,043
It also leads most of the world in gun deaths. How can Americans not see the connexion?
hater !JGlOo5d1iU joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later[^] [v] #594,879
That's not the issue. That just makes sense that more guns would result in more gun deaths. The issue is, we have a constitution that says our rights to personal gun ownership will not be infringed. Giving up our guns would mean we have no equalizing force in case of hostile government actions. The risk of dying a gun death isn't so high that I'm concerned. Maybe if I were a young black male, but I'm not.
The UK has more knife deaths and attacks per capita than the US, why don't they ban knives?
The UK has more knife deaths and attacks per capita than the US, why don't they ban knives?
FORAMASTER 3000 !UMORAXti6g (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #594,882
BoringMaster 9001 joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #594,883
Everything he said
hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 33 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #594,886
@594,882 (FORAMASTER 3000 !UMORAXti6g)
Are you being intentionally stupid?
> "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Or, are you suggesting this means the people are allowed to have "keep arms" and "bear arms" and this has nothing to do with gun ownership, if so, what are "keep arms" and how do I get "bear arms?"
Are you being intentionally stupid?
> "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Or, are you suggesting this means the people are allowed to have "keep arms" and "bear arms" and this has nothing to do with gun ownership, if so, what are "keep arms" and how do I get "bear arms?"
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #594,888
hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #594,892
@previous (D)
No what doesn't? Could you try to speak like a intelligent adult and be specific. I made a few statements you could be referring to.
No what doesn't? Could you try to speak like a intelligent adult and be specific. I made a few statements you could be referring to.
Methlyfe !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #594,894
We like our dangerous freedom! Where I live it's fairly common to see people with a gun in a holster on their hip, and it's really no big deal. Those are just the guns you see! Most people conceal their guns. Almost every household around here has guns of some sort, and during hunting season guns are everywhere. But in spite of all that murders are very rare around here.
The inner city the culture is a bit different, most houses don't have guns, and firearms are carried almost exclusively by criminals. Just last week I went to Kansas City Missouri and drove into the scene of double homicide, the guys got shot just a few minutes before at some chicken joint. More guns doesn't mean more murder. Americans will find a way to kill each other, we are a can do kinda people. Look at prison weapons, if people want to kill, they will find a way.
The inner city the culture is a bit different, most houses don't have guns, and firearms are carried almost exclusively by criminals. Just last week I went to Kansas City Missouri and drove into the scene of double homicide, the guys got shot just a few minutes before at some chicken joint. More guns doesn't mean more murder. Americans will find a way to kill each other, we are a can do kinda people. Look at prison weapons, if people want to kill, they will find a way.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,911
@594,879 (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
Are you quite sure that rag-tag bands of citizens could overcome a serious military action from the government?
Are you quite sure that rag-tag bands of citizens could overcome a serious military action from the government?
hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,914
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
The military isn't who you would be facing, you'd be fighting the police most likely.
Still, if the situation is bad enough where the generals are in the pockets of the Washington elite, I certainly wouldn't want to be fighting back with sticks and stones.
The military isn't who you would be facing, you'd be fighting the police most likely.
Still, if the situation is bad enough where the generals are in the pockets of the Washington elite, I certainly wouldn't want to be fighting back with sticks and stones.
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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,919
@previous (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
lol you are delusional, they'll happily gun you down from an attack chopper if you are running around with your toy guns because you're now an insurgent. if you're unarmed, they'll at least think twice
lol you are delusional, they'll happily gun you down from an attack chopper if you are running around with your toy guns because you're now an insurgent. if you're unarmed, they'll at least think twice
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hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,922
@previous (G)
The military isn't trained or indoctrinated to kill uS civilians, and if the national guard starts acting up, I'm sure the military would act as a peacekeeping force. It's the police who would be the threat.
The military isn't trained or indoctrinated to kill uS civilians, and if the national guard starts acting up, I'm sure the military would act as a peacekeeping force. It's the police who would be the threat.
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 24 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,923
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 22 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,933
@594,914 (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
@594,922 (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
Jump, if it reaches a point where the government and some citizens are at odds and openly fighting, the military isn't going to just sit by while you only have to fight those evil, facist police. This situation is about the government fighting the citizens, not just the police.
@594,922 (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
Jump, if it reaches a point where the government and some citizens are at odds and openly fighting, the military isn't going to just sit by while you only have to fight those evil, facist police. This situation is about the government fighting the citizens, not just the police.
teal joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 50 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,934
It's really not a big of a problem as some people make out.
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,938
@previous (teal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
3.55 gun related homicides per 100,000 per year in america. The only countries that are doing worse are:
* Costa Rica
* Nicaragua
* Paraguay
* Mexico
* Panama
* South Africa
* Brazil
* Colombia
* Guatemala
* Swaziland
* Venezuela
* Jamaica
* El Salvador
* Honduras
Meanwhile the first world (other than america) averages at less than 0.6 per 100,000. Americans are 18x more likely to get shot to death than me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
3.55 gun related homicides per 100,000 per year in america. The only countries that are doing worse are:
* Costa Rica
* Nicaragua
* Paraguay
* Mexico
* Panama
* South Africa
* Brazil
* Colombia
* Guatemala
* Swaziland
* Venezuela
* Jamaica
* El Salvador
* Honduras
Meanwhile the first world (other than america) averages at less than 0.6 per 100,000. Americans are 18x more likely to get shot to death than me.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #594,978
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@594,938 (G)
Actually, it greatly depends on where you live and who you are. You have to keep in mind poor black people kill each other at extremely high rates. Far higher than the rest of the US population.
Actually, it greatly depends on where you live and who you are. You have to keep in mind poor black people kill each other at extremely high rates. Far higher than the rest of the US population.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 23 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,007
kook !!Phkn/3Gic joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 38 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,015
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,038
@594,911 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
uh... the american revolution says yes. the war in iraq says yes
uh... the american revolution says yes. the war in iraq says yes
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,039
they should all kill themselves on cam
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,041
@595,038 (squeegee)
I don't recall hearing that the redcoats had choppers and tanks and drones, while the revolutionaries made do and won with just their muskets.
As for Iraq, I suppose the same could apply if the citizens tried fighting guerrilla warfare, but the U.S. army is probably much more numerous and better off in its homeland than a distant, third-world country. But even then, the insurgents in Iraq didn't really defeat the U.S. army, did they?
I don't recall hearing that the redcoats had choppers and tanks and drones, while the revolutionaries made do and won with just their muskets.
As for Iraq, I suppose the same could apply if the citizens tried fighting guerrilla warfare, but the U.S. army is probably much more numerous and better off in its homeland than a distant, third-world country. But even then, the insurgents in Iraq didn't really defeat the U.S. army, did they?
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Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,042
@OP I don't think that is accurate.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,060
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,067
USA Stats up to date.
Murder by gun: 7508
Texting while Driving: 3912
Abortion: 713367
Heart Disease: 389721
Cancer: 376730
Tobacco: 228641
Obesity: 200551
Medical Errors: 137185
Guns? Twice as likely to be killed by a gun then death by texting.
http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php
Murder by gun: 7508
Texting while Driving: 3912
Abortion: 713367
Heart Disease: 389721
Cancer: 376730
Tobacco: 228641
Obesity: 200551
Medical Errors: 137185
Guns? Twice as likely to be killed by a gun then death by texting.
http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php
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Anonymous O replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,092
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the internet of my thing replied with this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,097
Does that include the spontaneous abortions that naturally occur without the chick even knowing that she was pregnat in the first place?
the internet of my thing double-posted this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,098
I am curious about food-specific chokings, such as peanut butter sandwiches versus those fucking oysters that weirdos breathe into their throat.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 7 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,194
hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 30 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,202
@594,933 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Yes they would. The generals are not loyal to the president himself (or ugh, herself) but the office, and would sit back. Do you think private dicksuck is gonna shoot at his momma? No. I find it very unlikely the US military would be involved in any actions against US citizens on US soil.
Yes they would. The generals are not loyal to the president himself (or ugh, herself) but the office, and would sit back. Do you think private dicksuck is gonna shoot at his momma? No. I find it very unlikely the US military would be involved in any actions against US citizens on US soil.
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hater !JGlOo5d1iU double-posted this 11 years ago, 37 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,203
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 41 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,218
hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,221
@previous (D)
That's a miscarriage right? I don't think those are included in the number of abortions or it would be a lot higher, I'm guessing.
That's a miscarriage right? I don't think those are included in the number of abortions or it would be a lot higher, I'm guessing.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 24 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,224
lol I don't know
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,228
@595,202 (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
I'm just not sure that they'll just stand aside if armed insurgents are trying to overthrow the government, you know? It seems like something you would want to deploy your military to help stop!
I'm just not sure that they'll just stand aside if armed insurgents are trying to overthrow the government, you know? It seems like something you would want to deploy your military to help stop!
hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,235
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I'm sure they would try, but I have high faith the military would not intervene against US citizens during civil unrest. It's not like Libya where the dictator is paying their salaries and all the generals are his buddies. Generals in the US are career military personnel, they have no loyalty to individual politicians.
I'm sure at first the different national guards could be deployed, assuming the particular governors support Washington, but if they attempted to do anything like bombing civilians or using tanks, I think the military could very well step in to prevent that. Which, just their presence alone would he enough.
Look at Egypt, happened there.
I'm sure they would try, but I have high faith the military would not intervene against US citizens during civil unrest. It's not like Libya where the dictator is paying their salaries and all the generals are his buddies. Generals in the US are career military personnel, they have no loyalty to individual politicians.
I'm sure at first the different national guards could be deployed, assuming the particular governors support Washington, but if they attempted to do anything like bombing civilians or using tanks, I think the military could very well step in to prevent that. Which, just their presence alone would he enough.
Look at Egypt, happened there.
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Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 10 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #595,243
if a bunch of fuckheads try to rush federal buildings or what have you, then shit turns to shit one way or another
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,418
Metæ replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,420
@594,938 (G)
> * Costa Rica
> * Nicaragua
> * Paraguay
> * Mexico
> * Panama
> * South Africa
> * Brazil
> * Colombia
> * Guatemala
> * Swaziland
> * Venezuela
> * Jamaica
> * El Salvador
> * Honduras
But most of these countries have much stricter gun laws than the US. Are you saying if you brought, say, 1,000,000 Nicaraguans into Yurop that their murder rate would fall to the Yuropean average?
> * Costa Rica
> * Nicaragua
> * Paraguay
> * Mexico
> * Panama
> * South Africa
> * Brazil
> * Colombia
> * Guatemala
> * Swaziland
> * Venezuela
> * Jamaica
> * El Salvador
> * Honduras
But most of these countries have much stricter gun laws than the US. Are you saying if you brought, say, 1,000,000 Nicaraguans into Yurop that their murder rate would fall to the Yuropean average?
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,424
@previous (Metæ)
They're also absolutely shit-tier countries. Try comparing yourself with countries that aren't war/poverty strucken and try again. Unless you want to be comparing yourself with countries like that, which amuses me greatly.
They're also absolutely shit-tier countries. Try comparing yourself with countries that aren't war/poverty strucken and try again. Unless you want to be comparing yourself with countries like that, which amuses me greatly.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,426
@previous (G)
I notice that Somalia didn't make the list. Is it because most of the criminals there are pirates? Are ship cannons not counted as firearms?
I notice that Somalia didn't make the list. Is it because most of the criminals there are pirates? Are ship cannons not counted as firearms?
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kook !!Phkn/3Gic replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,427
Metæ replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,428
@595,426 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Yes. The Somalis are actually among the cleverest in Africa and have exploited the maritime warfare loophole to slash their firearm homicide statistics. Presidential candidate Donald Trump is conducting research into replacing the US firearm stock with very small naval cannons mounted on little boats which is projected to reduce the firearm homicide rate by 97% with only negligible impact on the total murder (all causes) rate.
Yes. The Somalis are actually among the cleverest in Africa and have exploited the maritime warfare loophole to slash their firearm homicide statistics. Presidential candidate Donald Trump is conducting research into replacing the US firearm stock with very small naval cannons mounted on little boats which is projected to reduce the firearm homicide rate by 97% with only negligible impact on the total murder (all causes) rate.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,434
@previous (Metæ)
This would be a genius move by Trump. It would essentially force all gun crime to relocate to the coast or a large body of water, so you could just have the U.S. Navy deal with it instead of the police. Excellent way to free up police resources, Trump is clearly able to apply his business acumen to national issues.
This would be a genius move by Trump. It would essentially force all gun crime to relocate to the coast or a large body of water, so you could just have the U.S. Navy deal with it instead of the police. Excellent way to free up police resources, Trump is clearly able to apply his business acumen to national issues.
Metæ replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,436
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You wanna talk shit, huh? Get yo ass down to the lake and me and the homeboys is gonna bust a cap in yo ass with a Glock mounted to a little remote control sailboat. But you gonna have to stand close to shore because I ain't swimming out there to reload that shit.
You wanna talk shit, huh? Get yo ass down to the lake and me and the homeboys is gonna bust a cap in yo ass with a Glock mounted to a little remote control sailboat. But you gonna have to stand close to shore because I ain't swimming out there to reload that shit.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #595,438
@previous (Metæ)
The only downside I can think of is that aquatic animals might get caught in all of the crossfire, which could cause major backlash from aquatic rights groups.
The only downside I can think of is that aquatic animals might get caught in all of the crossfire, which could cause major backlash from aquatic rights groups.