Topic: Question about the Cecil the lion shooting.
Metæ started this discussion 11 years ago #44,388
If the dentist Walter Palmer who shot him had instead bagged a deer in Texas hill country, or caught a trout in a Minnesota pond, would it have been a national controversy? Is taking a lion's life for sport worse than taking that of a deer or trout? Why?
beckyderp !4aMoRa.T2Q joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later[^] [v] #586,216
Those other things aren't illegal. What he did was illegal.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #586,219
Perhaps he's lion about the whole thing.
hater !JGlOo5d1iU joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #586,232
It is because it was illegal, and the lion was a pseudo-celebrity, and the lion population is threatened. Deer and trout, as far as I know, are not threatened. Also, the amount he paid is rather extreme. Thats what most people make in a year, to do something most people find offensive.
I personally dont agree that people went after him like they did. I think its an over-reaction, and is superficially about the lion. I think his co-workers and patients having to suffer as a result is ridiculous. The guy is facing legal repercussions, and if anyone doesn't want to associate with him, they do not need to. The harassment isn't necessary.
I personally dont agree that people went after him like they did. I think its an over-reaction, and is superficially about the lion. I think his co-workers and patients having to suffer as a result is ridiculous. The guy is facing legal repercussions, and if anyone doesn't want to associate with him, they do not need to. The harassment isn't necessary.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #586,234
@previous (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
He has made his wealth as result of pulling or filling teeth. Requires total acceptance by the public at large.
Betting he now looks at his wallet and wonders how he will fill it in the future.
> The harassment isn't necessary.
I disagree. This is the 2nd time he has been caught killing big game illegally.
Animals DEAD - Dentist harassed. Seems fair enough at a minimum
He has made his wealth as result of pulling or filling teeth. Requires total acceptance by the public at large.
Betting he now looks at his wallet and wonders how he will fill it in the future.
> The harassment isn't necessary.
I disagree. This is the 2nd time he has been caught killing big game illegally.
Animals DEAD - Dentist harassed. Seems fair enough at a minimum
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #586,237
@OP
Why bully lion?
Why bully lion?
kook !!b4KbSydQS joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,242
They are endangered, and it was a mascot for the park. He was also tagged as research animal. Deers arent any of those things.
hater !JGlOo5d1iU replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,244
@586,234 (Syntax)
He deserves the harshest fines, but not harassment. I also would argue his hunting license should be not be renewed. even if thats how he feeds himself, he has money, let him buy goats or cattle.
He deserves the harshest fines, but not harassment. I also would argue his hunting license should be not be renewed. even if thats how he feeds himself, he has money, let him buy goats or cattle.
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,251
@previous (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
Without doubt the hunter aka Dentist now feels Hunted
So Hunter as target seems most fitting in my book.
I was about to pull up an image of a Hunter with a target painted on his back - But since you have images turned off - I will leave you with my word image.
Without doubt the hunter aka Dentist now feels Hunted
So Hunter as target seems most fitting in my book.
I was about to pull up an image of a Hunter with a target painted on his back - But since you have images turned off - I will leave you with my word image.
Metæ (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,256
@586,216 (beckyderp !4aMoRa.T2Q)
I'm sure it was illegal but that wasn't what I was getting at. Why is it "wronger" to kill a lion than a deer or a boar or a trout?
@586,219 (D)
Don't make a "big game" out of this.
@586,232 (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
Apparently you can kill them legally but he killed the wrong kind.
@586,234 (Syntax)
Re: logistics
@586,237 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I'm not, but I just don't see why, morally, killing a lion for sport is worse than any other animal.
@586,242 (kook !!b4KbSydQS)
I guess there's something to the endangered species argument.
I'm sure it was illegal but that wasn't what I was getting at. Why is it "wronger" to kill a lion than a deer or a boar or a trout?
@586,219 (D)
Don't make a "big game" out of this.
@586,232 (hater !JGlOo5d1iU)
Apparently you can kill them legally but he killed the wrong kind.
@586,234 (Syntax)
Re: logistics
@586,237 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I'm not, but I just don't see why, morally, killing a lion for sport is worse than any other animal.
@586,242 (kook !!b4KbSydQS)
I guess there's something to the endangered species argument.
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,259
@previous (Metæ)
Looked up - How many lions are left
> I guess there's something to the endangered species argument.
Yep
Looked up - How many lions are left
The UK-based conservation group LionAid says as few as 645 lions remain in the wild in western and central Africa. It says lions are extinct in 25 African nations and virtually extinct in 10, and it estimates that 15,000 wild lions remain on the continent as a whole, compared with about 200,000 30 years ago.Jan 8, 2013
> I guess there's something to the endangered species argument.
Yep
whore's back riding joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,265
@586,256 (Metæ)
you were already told -- lion populations are way lower today than in recent history and so on about the affection for this one particular lion
deers are like rats in most places and can recover from depletion pretty quickly
you were already told -- lion populations are way lower today than in recent history and so on about the affection for this one particular lion
deers are like rats in most places and can recover from depletion pretty quickly
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 12 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,266
@586,256 (Metæ)
Let me put it this way- if a big game hunter shot Ron Paul, would you accept the excuse of "there are lots of different kinds of politicians anyway"?
Let me put it this way- if a big game hunter shot Ron Paul, would you accept the excuse of "there are lots of different kinds of politicians anyway"?
Anonymous F replied with this 11 years ago, 54 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,267
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TTEH !FFSTTEHV7. joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,326
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html Intredasting article.
whore's back riding replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,330
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 3 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,372
What if Cecil was trans?
Metæ (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #586,422
@586,326 (TTEH !FFSTTEHV7.)
Thank you, this was actually quite an eye opener. As an American — where lions are something you see at the zoo or in Disney cartoons — it's easy to overlook the perspective of the people who actually deal with lions in real life. For me, lions are an abstraction. Something I see in movies and National Geographic and once or twice in a small pen at the zoo. It's amazing how something so romanticised and revered by us could be seen as a despised predator by another people.
Thank you, this was actually quite an eye opener. As an American — where lions are something you see at the zoo or in Disney cartoons — it's easy to overlook the perspective of the people who actually deal with lions in real life. For me, lions are an abstraction. Something I see in movies and National Geographic and once or twice in a small pen at the zoo. It's amazing how something so romanticised and revered by us could be seen as a despised predator by another people.
Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people? That all the talk about Cecil being “beloved” or a “local favorite” was media hype? Did Jimmy Kimmel choke up because Cecil was murdered or because he confused him with Simba from “The Lion King”?
In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.
When I was 9 years old, a solitary lion prowled villages near my home. After it killed a few chickens, some goats and finally a cow, we were warned to walk to school in groups and stop playing outside. My sisters no longer went alone to the river to collect water or wash dishes; my mother waited for my father and older brothers, armed with machetes, axes and spears, to escort her into the bush to collect firewood.
A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead.
When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm.
. They must think we're nuts!In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.
When I was 9 years old, a solitary lion prowled villages near my home. After it killed a few chickens, some goats and finally a cow, we were warned to walk to school in groups and stop playing outside. My sisters no longer went alone to the river to collect water or wash dishes; my mother waited for my father and older brothers, armed with machetes, axes and spears, to escort her into the bush to collect firewood.
A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead.
When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm.
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