Topic: The internalized racism of the social justice warriors is what keeps me from becoming one.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw started this discussion 11 years ago#42,928
I actually don't mind being white. I like the whole changing perspectives on transgender people and opening the gender spectrum and crippling cops and whatnot, but I'm not about to embrace internalized racism.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 52 minutes later[^][v]#568,474
me too except for the racism part, it's the tranny stuff that weirds me out man
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^][v]#568,475
@previous (C)
Internalized racism as in the EXTREME white guilt bs. Just as silly as white supremacy imo
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,509
positivity towards one group isn't inherently negativity towards another and any semblances of negativity are based on direct, willing misinterpretations of the intents of another and can't be trusted
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 49 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,513
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
Try to avoid using words with more than one syllable until you actually know what they mean.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,515
@previous (E)
ah yes sorry for confusing you anon, i forgot i shouldnt speak unless you, anon e, the focus of the conversation, know exactly what im saying
Anonymous E replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,517
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
No one knows exactly what you're saying. You're just posting word salad.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,518
@previous (E)
im saying that being positive towards one group (ie, "trans people are cool") is not the same as being negative towards another (ie, "die cis scum")
and that any percieved negativity towards one group ("die cis scum") is the result of people twisting words and taking positivity towards one group as negativity towards another ("wheres all the CIS POSITIVITY POSTS???? fucking cisphobes")
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,519
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
How is "die cis scum" actually positivity?
(Edited 6 seconds later.)
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,520
@previous (F)
its not but its also not a thing that people say with serious intent. even the most hardcore dont use that unironically anymore. its like saying tubular in the context of "thats cool" in this, 2015.
it was born out of cis people twisting trans positivity into cis negativity since most cis people cant stand having something not involve them
Anonymous F replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,521
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
That's not what you said in the two previous posts though. And if you think people don't use it seriously, you should talk to kook.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 57 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,522
@previous (F)
i never once said that "die cis scum" was considered positivity. try reading the thread, thanks.
kook is fucking stupid and is also probably kathy bates from that movie misery
Anonymous E replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,523
@568,518 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
Don't patronise me, you snot nosed little turd. You used the word "semblances" incorrectly.
Anonymous F replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,524
@568,522 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
Did you read your post @568,520 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc) > "and that any percieved negativity towards one group ("die cis scum") is the result of people twisting words and taking positivity towards one group as negativity towards another.
So you think people who think "die cis scum" as negativity are actually twisting a positive message and interpreting it as negative.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 30 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,525
@568,523 (E) > the outward appearance or apparent form of something, especially when the reality is different.
i used it correctly, thanks. i used it within the context that people are interpreting trans positivity as cis negativity when trans positivity is not inherently cis negativity. there's not a limited amount of positivity out there and y'know where all the cis positivity is? literally everywhere that's not tumblr.
Anonymous E replied with this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,528
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
Maybe you should go back to Tumblr and stay there then.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,560
> Did you read your post @568,520 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc) > >"and that any percieved negativity towards one group ("die cis scum") is the result of people twisting words and taking positivity towards one group as negativity towards another. > > So you think people who think "die cis scum" as negativity are actually twisting a positive message and interpreting it as negative.
he seems to think his movement isn't bigoted despite his movement using bigoted language. they are kidding, he says. of course some republican uses bigoted language no amount of "he's just kidding! he's trolling!" is going to stop the backlash.
and if vocalon is right, if they are all just kidding about hating white straight males then it really shows how immature and unserious this movement is. because when a movement is real and importsnt the people involved don't fuck around and troll and make their whole movement look hateful and bitter and irrelevant.
but die cis scum is sooooooo funny, so i bet it's not going anywhere, at least not until sjw ruin thier whole cause with their own message. lol.
tl;dr vocalon is in denial his little group isn't extremist and marginal
(Edited 52 seconds later.)
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 52 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,561
@previous (squeegee)
squeegee please if youre going to make broad gestures about movements you dont understand and make no effort to understand please, go get a job at fox news
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,563
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
i think you understand your little movement less than i do, bud. you're the one gulping down the koolaid and can't take a minute to see what it's doing to others and what is going on around you.
and i wouldn't call it a marginal little movement if it was more than just insulting memes on tumblr, but it's not. prove me wrong.
(Edited 31 seconds later.)
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,564
@previous (squeegee)
Squeegee- whilst you're here and (nominally) discussing trans people, I'd really like an answer to something. Do you think that transsexuals are a form of homosexual?
Previously, you've said that people who aren't trans are "straight", and that the word CIS is a form of "gay" bigotry. Yet, both of those terms are about sexuality, whilst gender identity (which is what distinguishes trans people) is independent of sexuality. A given trans person might be attracted to men or women, for example. Yet you seem to mix the concepts together.
(Edited 20 seconds later.)
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 51 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,565
@568,563 (squeegee) > i think you understand your little movement less than i do, bud.
squeegee please you need a moment? like, did my RAMPANT cisphobia trigger you by saying that cis people arent inherently superior to trans people?
> you're the one gulping down the koolaid and can't take a minute to see what it's doing to others and what is going on around you.
nah, i can clearly see the effects and yknow what? thats on you. youre the one whos causing the effect, theres a reason anti-SJs are considered reactionaries.
> and i wouldn't call it a marginal little movement if it was more than just insulting memes on tumblr, but it's not.
yeah exactly. communism will rise, capitalism is dead, oink oink the capitalist pig is dead
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,566
@568,564 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
uh, well it's complicated. because yes, in all cases trans people are homosexual even in situations where they are not. allow me to explain. i'll probably have to use examples:
so you've got a tranny, we'll say it's a m2f tranny. so like if that m2f tranny is into women, then it's gay, because it's a woman now, right? so it's a gay woman, or a homosexual.
now, take that same m2f tranny and say it's into men. well, they's pretty gay right? i mean he would have been attracted to men before the transition, right? it's not like you transition and suddenly become straight now because you appear to be a woman. so they're gay.
so yeah, pretty much transsexuals are just homosexual as fuck.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,567
@previous (squeegee)
this was like "yeah, yeah thats about right", and slowly fell down the slippery slope of "dicks are dude-exclusive"
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,568
> theres a reason anti-SJs are considered reactionaries.
lol, by whom? your little group that you claim just go around trolling people to get a reaction from them? look, little boy, trolling and protesting do not fucking mix. and if your movement's message is so unclear that the troll message is the prominent message outside the group then your little movement is failed already. trolling is not activism, you've been fooled if you believe that.
> yeah exactly. communism will rise, capitalism is dead, oink oink the capitalist pig is dead
then what else does the SJW movement do beside troll on the internet? what? what additional level of organization is there besides passing along memes?
squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 48 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,570
@568,567 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
it works with f2m transexuals too, i just used the one kind of tranny as an example, but both are super-gay
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,571
@568,566 (squeegee)
Okay, I understand the idea of "it's always gay if you look at it from a certain angle". But still, gender identity is independent of sexuality, so it's confusing if phrase it like they're the same thing.
Presumably, there's some scientifically accepted, "correct" way to categorise a trans person's sexuality, either going off of their gender identity or biological sex. Whichever way that is, it would make things clearer.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,572
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
hey now, don't confuse my movement's public message of "all trannies are gay" with my actual movement's beliefs. we just believe in equality.
even if all trans are super-duper-gay
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,573
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,575
@568,571 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
its based on what gender they are, not their sex so if theyre a trans woman whos into girls they're lesbian
inb4 kook and her terfspew
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,579
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
That'd be the polite/ethical way to put it. What I'm saying is that I dunno if scientific factors like their hormones or parts of their brain would factor in, though, which would give the biological sex greater importance (if that makes sense).
Regardless, scientists might refer to their sexuality based off of their gender identity anyway, just to be accepting of them.
Metæ joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 31 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,580
@568,566 (squeegee)
But an MtF and an FtM in a relationship would actually be doubly heterosexual.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,587
you're only seeing "the bad parts" because people will paint literally any aspect of it as "a bad part". you're not seeing the positivity because people are quick to paint it as negativity. take a look at some of the posts on the front page of /r/tumblrinaction as of writing this post. This post has a list of ethnically Romani and Jewish people in popular media right now. With no context other than they're people of non-white descent being whitewashed. Not Jewish people by conversion, but people who are descended from other ethnic Jewish people. But y'know what? Most of them look white. Because skin color isn't a deciding factor in whether or not someone is ethnically Jewish, your lineage is. and /r/tumblrinaction painted it as "hah look at these kikes and gypsies trying to be positive about media representation" or whatever. i can barely read it through their inbred as fuck, mock-SJW lingo.
or look at this post from tumblr user sixpenceee, someone who i have my own beef with because of lazy writing but is otherwise a fairly popular user: Its title on /r/TiA is: "So apparently posting a science post about irregular holes is a trigger..." and yknow what? things that induce trypophobia are pretty fucking nasty. im not even really all that trypophobic and shit like lotus pods hurt to look at. asking someone to tag something that makes you wanna vomit isn't all that unreasonable when its, what, 15 keystrokes at best? it takes more effort to type out "no fuck you im going to make you look at the thing that makes you want to vomit thats what you get for following me you scrublord" or whatever they would have typed than it does to use xkit's autotagger and type out "trypophobia" in the box. it makes a blog safer for people to visit but no, it matched a buzzword anti-SJWs latch on to so it's gotta be ridiculed.
or this post about police brutality, something that has claimed, people are saying it's a life taken every 8 hours but i dunno how true that is, but either way, people have absolutely died because of it and the parallel is absolutely justified.
or this post, bringing a minor's blog filled with characters they like or relate to - that's what a fiction kin type is at its core - to the attention of... 3,000 people who visit the subreddit for the sole point of ridicule. like, who cares what this teen does with their time. its not affecting you at all and its certainly not hurting you.
theres more positivity than there is negativity, but yknow, just keep saying the negative aspects are the only thing you see.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,595
GRS treatment actually "flips" orientation quite commonly, during the hormone stage
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,607
@568,598 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
i don't know what's any good
kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,614
Quit bringing me up Vocalon. You're obsessed.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,620
@568,607 (squeegee)
Don't worry, it's okay. I purchased Dark Souls and Sir, You Are Being Hunted. It all worked out in the end.
Thanks for you help!
@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
I suspect it is mutual.
When will you two realise that you're perfect for each other? It's painful to watch. :'(
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,624
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
He's not perfect for me, because he doesnt work and has a penis. He's also a little pussy would never have a confrontation anywhere but on theinternet.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 42 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,625
Anonymous C replied with this 11 years ago, 32 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,661
@568,575 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
Gender is just an alternative word for sex when it is used to mean male or female.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,662
@previous (C)
is this what its like to live under a rock?? like ive never seen someone who has but man, it must be nice being ignorant to both trans positive neologisms AND redefined words
Anonymous C replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,665
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
If you are going to play around with words and use them in ways that mean something other than what ordinary people understand them to mean, then don't get all pissy when people not in your jargon-space are not participating.
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#568,677
@568,662 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
I dont accept your redefined words. It's an attempt at magical thinking.