Topic: Alcohol proves again and again that it is the most dangerous drug there is.
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #4,245
Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin or crack'
Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.S. deaths a year
Alcohol to blame for 13,000 cancer cases a year in UK
In the U.S. an average of 37% of all car crash fatalities are because of alcohol. This is as high as 50% in two states. 41,059 people died in car crashes because of alcohol in 2007
Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.S. deaths a year
Alcohol to blame for 13,000 cancer cases a year in UK
In the U.S. an average of 37% of all car crash fatalities are because of alcohol. This is as high as 50% in two states. 41,059 people died in car crashes because of alcohol in 2007
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #75,897
> But I don't drink alcohol, so I'm okay.What if you end up being the victim of one of a homicide? 20-30% involve alcohol.
What if you are involved in a car crash? Chances are about 37% that the person who hit you was drinking.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #75,899
FUCK YOU ALCOHOL.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #75,900
> become addicted to marijuana
> bum around house all day smoking weed, playing call of duty and eating hot pockets, refusing to seek employment
> takes little effort to quit use with help/acknowledgment of problem
> body eventually adjusts to lack of pot, get on with life, stop caring
> become addicted to alcohol
> beat family members savagely in a delirious rage, mortally wound innocent people in car accidents, impregnate women you don't remember seeing before
> takes thousands of dollars to send alcoholic to rehab
> liver and brain are permanently damaged
> bum around house all day smoking weed, playing call of duty and eating hot pockets, refusing to seek employment
> takes little effort to quit use with help/acknowledgment of problem
> body eventually adjusts to lack of pot, get on with life, stop caring
> become addicted to alcohol
> beat family members savagely in a delirious rage, mortally wound innocent people in car accidents, impregnate women you don't remember seeing before
> takes thousands of dollars to send alcoholic to rehab
> liver and brain are permanently damaged
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Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 11 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #75,901
THE BETTER QUESTION IS, WHY DOES OP DRINK ALCOHOL WHEN HE KNOWS IT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUG THERE IS?
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #75,907
> drink daily
> do cocaine, heroine, or meth daily
> which is more harmful
> hurrr durrr
> do cocaine, heroine, or meth daily
> which is more harmful
> hurrr durrr
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #75,932
all I know is withdrawal from opiates is harmless 99 times out of 100
withdrawal from alcohol can be fatal
withdrawal from alcohol can be fatal
Saturn !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,008
@75,900 (C)
Ya because my taxes pay for that fucking potheads weed. I'd prefer if he did beat his wife senseless instead.
Ya because my taxes pay for that fucking potheads weed. I'd prefer if he did beat his wife senseless instead.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 26 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,010
@previous (Saturn !khEOdtKF56)
Exactly. The alcoholic's victim (his wife) can always leave the alcoholic. The pothead's victim (us, the taxpayers) can't leave the pothead.
Exactly. The alcoholic's victim (his wife) can always leave the alcoholic. The pothead's victim (us, the taxpayers) can't leave the pothead.
DrGreen !pFNWNYROxA joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,013
> Orange Juice
> tastier
> cheaper
> healthier
> tastier
> cheaper
> healthier
Saturn !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,029
psychopath !PAHVpsycho joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,031
@76,008 (Saturn !khEOdtKF56)
Maybe just let the free market take care of it so the taxpayers won't? Maybe make it not against the law so they can't go to jail and leech off the prison system?
Maybe just let the free market take care of it so the taxpayers won't? Maybe make it not against the law so they can't go to jail and leech off the prison system?
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 38 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,037
@76,010 (G)
When some drunk goes to prison for vehicular manslaughter, you're paying for his food and shelter.
When some drunk goes to prison for vehicular manslaughter, you're paying for his food and shelter.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,038
But what percentage of alcohol drinkers beat their wives, murder people, and drink and drive? 99% of the population drinks, but less than 1% have ever been convicted of DUI, homocide, or domestic abuse. If the use of the other drugs mentioned ITT were as common and widespread as alcohol use, the societal problems they cause would be way worse than alcohol.
Also, alcohol is not chemically addictive. It's only socially addictive.
Also, alcohol is not chemically addictive. It's only socially addictive.
The Owl !KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 18 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,053
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,061
Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,077
itt: bullshit amateur scientists
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 56 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,108
@previous (Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw)
this ever so hard. the dumbass moralfaggotry in this thread is staggering.
this ever so hard. the dumbass moralfaggotry in this thread is staggering.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,200
@76,010 (G)
More of a government's victim. If pot were legalized we wouldn't have to pay for him.
@76,037 (J)
And healthcare. Funny how innocent poor people can't get free healthcare, but criminals can. (no matter your side on the issue of free healthcare, you must find something wrong with this
@76,038 (K)
> But what percentage of alcohol drinkers beat their wives, murder people, and drink and drive? 99% of the population drinks, but less than 1% have ever been convicted of DUI, homocide, or domestic abuse.
More than should be. If you got hit by a drunk driver you would probably agree that it's too big a problem. It happens all the time. You want some "percentages"? 37% of car accidents.
> If the use of the other drugs mentioned ITT were as common and widespread as alcohol use, the societal problems they cause would be way worse than alcohol.
Lolplease. Victimized wives would probably push weed on their husbands to calm them down. Weed has been shown to be much less of an issue when driving, it does not impede motor skills as much, and is more short-lived.
Per capita deaths of users of many other drugs is shown to be lower than alcohol, so you can't pull the "it's just used more" bullshit.
> Also, alcohol is not chemically addictive. It's only socially addictive.
Wow, that is the stupidest thing I have heard in a very long time. Alcohol is not just psychologically ("socially") addicting it is physically addicting and this is a well known fact.
Alcohol dependence is well-documented, and withdrawl symptoms occur (something that only happens with physical dependence).
National Institutes of Health website on Alcohol Withdrawal
More of a government's victim. If pot were legalized we wouldn't have to pay for him.
@76,037 (J)
And healthcare. Funny how innocent poor people can't get free healthcare, but criminals can. (no matter your side on the issue of free healthcare, you must find something wrong with this
@76,038 (K)
> But what percentage of alcohol drinkers beat their wives, murder people, and drink and drive? 99% of the population drinks, but less than 1% have ever been convicted of DUI, homocide, or domestic abuse.
More than should be. If you got hit by a drunk driver you would probably agree that it's too big a problem. It happens all the time. You want some "percentages"? 37% of car accidents.
> If the use of the other drugs mentioned ITT were as common and widespread as alcohol use, the societal problems they cause would be way worse than alcohol.
Lolplease. Victimized wives would probably push weed on their husbands to calm them down. Weed has been shown to be much less of an issue when driving, it does not impede motor skills as much, and is more short-lived.
Per capita deaths of users of many other drugs is shown to be lower than alcohol, so you can't pull the "it's just used more" bullshit.
> Also, alcohol is not chemically addictive. It's only socially addictive.
Wow, that is the stupidest thing I have heard in a very long time. Alcohol is not just psychologically ("socially") addicting it is physically addicting and this is a well known fact.
Alcohol dependence is well-documented, and withdrawl symptoms occur (something that only happens with physical dependence).
National Institutes of Health website on Alcohol Withdrawal
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Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,201
psychopath !PAHVpsycho replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,203
@76,200 (A)
> Funny how innocent poor people can't get free healthcare, but criminals can. (no matter your side on the issue of free healthcare, you must find something wrong with this
Isn't it the US government's duty to protect LIFE, liberty, and property? The current government fails at all 4 of these requirements.
> Funny how innocent poor people can't get free healthcare, but criminals can. (no matter your side on the issue of free healthcare, you must find something wrong with this
Isn't it the US government's duty to protect LIFE, liberty, and property? The current government fails at all 4 of these requirements.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,204
@76,201 (O)
> Sorry but alcohol is not addictive.
Wow! Not only are you smarter than millions of alcoholics who have admitted they are addicts, but you are smarter than all the doctors, and scientists too!
Amazing!
> 51 seconds later
Also, I'm glad you took the time to read it before replying.
> Sorry but alcohol is not addictive.
Wow! Not only are you smarter than millions of alcoholics who have admitted they are addicts, but you are smarter than all the doctors, and scientists too!
Amazing!
> 51 seconds later
Also, I'm glad you took the time to read it before replying.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,205
@76,200 (A)
37% of car fatalities are done by drunk drivers? so what you're saying is that 63% of car crashes are done by sober people. well it's settled, then, we should force people to drink before they get behind the wheel since the number of non-drunk people causing automobile fatalities is far greater.
37% of car fatalities are done by drunk drivers? so what you're saying is that 63% of car crashes are done by sober people. well it's settled, then, we should force people to drink before they get behind the wheel since the number of non-drunk people causing automobile fatalities is far greater.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,206
@76,203 (psychopath !PAHVpsycho)
Yes. If you want that first one guaranteed you have to break the law first, funny huh?
Yes. If you want that first one guaranteed you have to break the law first, funny huh?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,207
@76,205 (N)
10/10, bud.
Even better: Let's get everyone on acid, because, like only .015 of crashes happen on acid.
10/10, bud.
Even better: Let's get everyone on acid, because, like only .015 of crashes happen on acid.
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Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,208
psychopath !PAHVpsycho replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,209
We could completely eliminate alcohol-related accidents with public transportation!
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,210
@76,205 (N)
....or prohibit alcohol and reduce all car crashes by a third. You know, because alcohol is the only underlying factor.
....or prohibit alcohol and reduce all car crashes by a third. You know, because alcohol is the only underlying factor.
psychopath !PAHVpsycho replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,212
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,214
psychopath !PAHVpsycho replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,216
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,217
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,218
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,219
@76,204 (A)
There are just as many doctors who would say alcohol is not addictive as those who sat it is addictive. Stop trolling.
There are just as many doctors who would say alcohol is not addictive as those who sat it is addictive. Stop trolling.
The Owl !KThEOwLwbU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,221
@previous (O)
> There are just as many doctors who would say alcohol is not addictive as those who sat it is addictive
lol
> There are just as many doctors who would say alcohol is not addictive as those who sat it is addictive
lol
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,222
@76,209 (psychopath !PAHVpsycho)
People will still drive with public transportation available.
@76,210 (J)
Right, it's probably other things like bad weather, or just bad luck. The fact that a third of them is alcohol probably is just a coincidence. /s
@76,212 (psychopath !PAHVpsycho)
People need cars. People don't need booze.
People will still drive with public transportation available.
@76,210 (J)
Right, it's probably other things like bad weather, or just bad luck. The fact that a third of them is alcohol probably is just a coincidence. /s
@76,212 (psychopath !PAHVpsycho)
People need cars. People don't need booze.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,223
The Owl !KThEOwLwbU replied with this 15 years ago, 32 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,247
If I were in charge, I'd ban cars and give everyone a free bicycle.
Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,249
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,268
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,269
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,277
@previous (A)
I'm not for the banning of alcohol, but I had no idea that some people consider it to be non addictive.
I'm not for the banning of alcohol, but I had no idea that some people consider it to be non addictive.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,282
@previous (totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm)
> I'm not for the banning of alcohol
Nor I, that would just make it more dangerous and cause even more problems. A tax to disincentivize and education is the only thing that will work.
> but I had no idea that some people consider it to be non addictive.
Until now I hadn't heard that either. Figured most people just thought of it as a "handleable addiction". Surprising how some people think that alcohol dependence isn't real.
> I'm not for the banning of alcohol
Nor I, that would just make it more dangerous and cause even more problems. A tax to disincentivize and education is the only thing that will work.
> but I had no idea that some people consider it to be non addictive.
Until now I hadn't heard that either. Figured most people just thought of it as a "handleable addiction". Surprising how some people think that alcohol dependence isn't real.
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,285
@previous (A)
I think that people feel that it's okay because it's common and legal. I feel like alcohol is very destructive.
I think that people feel that it's okay because it's common and legal. I feel like alcohol is very destructive.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,293
@76,282 (A)
You are failing to recognize the clinical term of addiction. There are ZERO chemicals in alcohol that cause the brain to crave/build a dependency that the lack of substance would interact in a person's abilities. I agree that alcohol impairs when in use but it lacks the addictive qualities of nicotine or narcotics. You are confusing alcohol with alcoholism which is a disease that causes a need for alcohol (alcohol alone is not the catalyst).
You are failing to recognize the clinical term of addiction. There are ZERO chemicals in alcohol that cause the brain to crave/build a dependency that the lack of substance would interact in a person's abilities. I agree that alcohol impairs when in use but it lacks the addictive qualities of nicotine or narcotics. You are confusing alcohol with alcoholism which is a disease that causes a need for alcohol (alcohol alone is not the catalyst).
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,295
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,298
op proves again and again that they are the biggest faggot there is.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,299
@76,295 (P)
Disease is to what it is referred generically. It is more of an inherited genetic disorder.
Disease is to what it is referred generically. It is more of an inherited genetic disorder.
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,303
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm double-posted this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,304
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,309
@previous (totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm)
Because alcohol is not addictive. The main reason is because of support and other treatments. The thing with alcohol is that it usually leads to life lessons that some people learn from and make the appropriate changes. They will always have the disorder.
Because alcohol is not addictive. The main reason is because of support and other treatments. The thing with alcohol is that it usually leads to life lessons that some people learn from and make the appropriate changes. They will always have the disorder.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,311
@76,293 (O)
Drinking alcohol leads to alcoholism, genius. Alcohol use leads to a dependance, which is- in a "clinical sense"- addictive.
@76,299 (O)
No, a disease does not have to be genetic.
dis·ease /diˈzēz/
Noun: A disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, esp. one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury
A virus is a disease. An addiction is a disease. Other psychological problems are diseases as well.
Drinking alcohol leads to alcoholism, genius. Alcohol use leads to a dependance, which is- in a "clinical sense"- addictive.
@76,299 (O)
No, a disease does not have to be genetic.
dis·ease /diˈzēz/
Noun: A disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, esp. one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury
A virus is a disease. An addiction is a disease. Other psychological problems are diseases as well.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,312
@76,309 (O)
> Because alcohol is not addictive.
*facepalm*
People who drink alcohol regularly, and then stop have withdrawal. People have a very hard time quitting alcohol even when they want to. This should be enough for you to see that it is addicting, but even if that does not do it, see that the DSM classifies alcohol abuse, and dependence as legitimate diseases and addictions.
> The main reason is because of support and other treatments. The thing with heroin is that it usually leads to life lessons that some people learn from and make the appropriate changes. They will always have the disorder.]
See I can change the drug, and it works just as well. I could use your argument to say that heroin isn't addictive, but we all know that's not true either.
> Because alcohol is not addictive.
*facepalm*
People who drink alcohol regularly, and then stop have withdrawal. People have a very hard time quitting alcohol even when they want to. This should be enough for you to see that it is addicting, but even if that does not do it, see that the DSM classifies alcohol abuse, and dependence as legitimate diseases and addictions.
> The main reason is because of support and other treatments. The thing with heroin is that it usually leads to life lessons that some people learn from and make the appropriate changes. They will always have the disorder.]
See I can change the drug, and it works just as well. I could use your argument to say that heroin isn't addictive, but we all know that's not true either.
dreamwourks four mayour joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,313
@76,247 (The Owl !KThEOwLwbU)
Would be bad if you don't live in a city. But I guess if there was good public transport that wouldn't really be a problem.
Would be bad if you don't live in a city. But I guess if there was good public transport that wouldn't really be a problem.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,314
@76,293 (O)
This. There are people who have alcoholism and are "addicted to alcohol", or alcoholics, but alcohol is not chemically addictive like nicotine is. Nicotine causes chemical changes in the brain that lead one to crave nicotine. Alcohol does not cause any chemical changes in the brain like drugs like nicotine do. I was taught this in school, in my health class.
Laugh and facepalm all you want, but alcohol is not chemically addictive.
This. There are people who have alcoholism and are "addicted to alcohol", or alcoholics, but alcohol is not chemically addictive like nicotine is. Nicotine causes chemical changes in the brain that lead one to crave nicotine. Alcohol does not cause any chemical changes in the brain like drugs like nicotine do. I was taught this in school, in my health class.
Laugh and facepalm all you want, but alcohol is not chemically addictive.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,317
@76,312 (A)
It is a legitimate disease and addiction, but it is not chemically addictive like nicotine or heroin are. This is a fact.
It is a legitimate disease and addiction, but it is not chemically addictive like nicotine or heroin are. This is a fact.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,318
@76,311 (A)
Alcohol is not the catalyst. Also giving the definition of a word proves nothing. I have worked for alcohol and substance abuse treatment centers for several years now. I help alcoholics on a daily basis as well as assist in reasearch. I am about a year away from getting into Duke Medical school and plan on concentrating on addiction medicine. You have made a few good points but what you are claiming are misunderstood generalizations. I am not saying you are not intelligent but I think you are a little off with your assertions.
Alcohol is not the catalyst. Also giving the definition of a word proves nothing. I have worked for alcohol and substance abuse treatment centers for several years now. I help alcoholics on a daily basis as well as assist in reasearch. I am about a year away from getting into Duke Medical school and plan on concentrating on addiction medicine. You have made a few good points but what you are claiming are misunderstood generalizations. I am not saying you are not intelligent but I think you are a little off with your assertions.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,321
@76,314 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
People will drink alcohol to stave off withdrawal symptoms which are "physical/chemical changes" in the brain. And psychologically it is even further addicting as people will drink to avoid dealing with issues.
Addiction is behavior that leads to using the drug when it interferes with their life, and they would prefer to stop. Physical dependence and psychological cravings add up to being a legitimate addiction.
People will drink alcohol to stave off withdrawal symptoms which are "physical/chemical changes" in the brain. And psychologically it is even further addicting as people will drink to avoid dealing with issues.
Addiction is behavior that leads to using the drug when it interferes with their life, and they would prefer to stop. Physical dependence and psychological cravings add up to being a legitimate addiction.
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,324
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,328
@76,321 (A)
> People will drink alcohol to stave off withdrawal symptoms which are "physical/chemical changes" in the brain. And psychologically it is even further addicting as people will drink to avoid dealing with issues.
Generalized statement that is not 100% true.
> Addiction is behavior that leads to using the drug when it interferes with their life, and they would prefer to stop. Physical dependence and psychological cravings add up to being a legitimate addiction.
You distinguish between physical dependence and psychological cravings. They are one in the same. Please stop with this misinformation. This subject is very near and dear to me and it is the misinformed abd misunderstood who cause more damage than help.
> People will drink alcohol to stave off withdrawal symptoms which are "physical/chemical changes" in the brain. And psychologically it is even further addicting as people will drink to avoid dealing with issues.
Generalized statement that is not 100% true.
> Addiction is behavior that leads to using the drug when it interferes with their life, and they would prefer to stop. Physical dependence and psychological cravings add up to being a legitimate addiction.
You distinguish between physical dependence and psychological cravings. They are one in the same. Please stop with this misinformation. This subject is very near and dear to me and it is the misinformed abd misunderstood who cause more damage than help.
Anonymous O double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,329
@76,324 (totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm)
> If it's a disease, how come it doesn't exist without alcohol?
It doesn't need alcohol to exist, alcohol is not the catalyst. There are people with lung cancer who never smoked a cigarette.
> If it's a disease, how come it doesn't exist without alcohol?
It doesn't need alcohol to exist, alcohol is not the catalyst. There are people with lung cancer who never smoked a cigarette.
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,332
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,334
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,335
@previous (O)
That's not what I asked. If no alcohol is ever consumed, the alcoholism disease is never noticed, right?
That's not what I asked. If no alcohol is ever consumed, the alcoholism disease is never noticed, right?
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,336
@76,314 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
It may not be chemically addictive, but people can develop a 'need' for just about anything stimulating, be it drugs, electronic entertainment like vidya or the internet, or even sex. If somebody uses it on a regular basis, they can acclimate to it and even depend on it. The depressants in hard beverages are an alluring escape to somebody who needs to zone out and forget about their problems; it's easy to see how somebody can find themselves dependent on a mind-altering substance.
It may not be chemically addictive, but people can develop a 'need' for just about anything stimulating, be it drugs, electronic entertainment like vidya or the internet, or even sex. If somebody uses it on a regular basis, they can acclimate to it and even depend on it. The depressants in hard beverages are an alluring escape to somebody who needs to zone out and forget about their problems; it's easy to see how somebody can find themselves dependent on a mind-altering substance.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,339
@76,335 (totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm)
There is a study currently being conducted that is trying to determine a link between liver problems and alcoholism genes. The initial findings are that some infants born to parents who have a familial connection to alcoholism present issues with liver functioning. The study has not been concluded but I work closely with a doctor who is taking part in it. So yes, initially, the thought is that alcohol does not need to be present to cause problems.
There is a study currently being conducted that is trying to determine a link between liver problems and alcoholism genes. The initial findings are that some infants born to parents who have a familial connection to alcoholism present issues with liver functioning. The study has not been concluded but I work closely with a doctor who is taking part in it. So yes, initially, the thought is that alcohol does not need to be present to cause problems.
The Owl !KThEOwLwbU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,340
ITT Anonymous O, the fat virgin neckbeard with no experience of life, makes shit up and people actually take him seriously
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 30 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,341
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,343
@76,340 (The Owl !KThEOwLwbU)
It bothers me that you would think that. Can I share a personal story with you that led me to wanting to help with people who are effected by alcohol and substance abuse?
It bothers me that you would think that. Can I share a personal story with you that led me to wanting to help with people who are effected by alcohol and substance abuse?
Anonymous O double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,344
@76,341 (totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm)
Nothing shady about doctors doing medical studies. There is evidence that strongly points to it as well as changes in the substance abuse community that are being made based on alcohol not being a catalyst.
Nothing shady about doctors doing medical studies. There is evidence that strongly points to it as well as changes in the substance abuse community that are being made based on alcohol not being a catalyst.
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,347
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,350
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,352
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,355
@previous (totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm)
Medical history and participants in the study provide other info necessary to make the appropriate determinations.
Medical history and participants in the study provide other info necessary to make the appropriate determinations.
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,356
DrGreen !pFNWNYROxA replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,360
Alcohol will ease the pain.Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,361
Anonymous O double-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,363
@76,356 (totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm)
> How do the symptoms of this disease manifest themselves?
I know you don't believe me. This issue means a lot to me. When I was in high school my best friend refused to touch alcohol because his dad was a violent alcoholic. One day his girlfriend broke up with him and he became seriously depressed. He went missing and was found by the police in a public park. When they found my friend he was screaming bannedforlifeshow.com and saying Fats Ferguson has an asshole the size of a mason jar and Leo Vegas is a great wizard. The crazy part is, they found NO alcohol in his system.
> How do the symptoms of this disease manifest themselves?
I know you don't believe me. This issue means a lot to me. When I was in high school my best friend refused to touch alcohol because his dad was a violent alcoholic. One day his girlfriend broke up with him and he became seriously depressed. He went missing and was found by the police in a public park. When they found my friend he was screaming bannedforlifeshow.com and saying Fats Ferguson has an asshole the size of a mason jar and Leo Vegas is a great wizard. The crazy part is, they found NO alcohol in his system.
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,366
totofoeme !!VnSc8bbUm double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,367
hamfist !!mtq555+/1 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,369
42% of car crashes are caused by people masturbating while driving
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,407
@76,329 (O)
> There are people with lung cancer who never smoked a cigarette.
This is a fallacy that comes up again and again.
Just because you can get lung cancer without smoking does not mean smoking has nothing to do with lung cancer. It increases you chances dramatically of getting lung cancer.
The same goes for alcohol. Sure you could get in a car crash anyway, and you could get one of several cancers anyway, or you could say/do something stupid anyway, does not mean it doesn't matter if you drink. alcohol increases the chances of these things happening.
This is a very, very simple concept, why can no one grasp this?
> There are people with lung cancer who never smoked a cigarette.
This is a fallacy that comes up again and again.
Just because you can get lung cancer without smoking does not mean smoking has nothing to do with lung cancer. It increases you chances dramatically of getting lung cancer.
The same goes for alcohol. Sure you could get in a car crash anyway, and you could get one of several cancers anyway, or you could say/do something stupid anyway, does not mean it doesn't matter if you drink. alcohol increases the chances of these things happening.
This is a very, very simple concept, why can no one grasp this?
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,408
Jesus Christ are people so fucking stupid?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,410
@previous (O)
> Jesus Christ are people so fucking stupid?
I think they realized you were a troll with you last post.
> Jesus Christ are people so fucking stupid?
I think they realized you were a troll with you last post.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,414
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,417
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,419
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 54 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,445
Besides meth, and maybe coke, is there really a drug more harmful than alcohol?
The Owl !KThEOwLwbU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,447
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,454
@previous (The Owl !KThEOwLwbU)
> Heroin
Heroin does not harm the liver, brain, or heart. With proper education, and a safe dose (which we can't have because of prohibition) it is not that dangerous. Obviously it incredibly addictive, with a huge dependence, but not that harmful itself.
> cocaine
I mentioned this
> barbituates
Agreed.
> street methadone.
Street heroin and methodone are dangerous because they are on the street.
Legal heroin (which can be found in addict clinics in Canada, Switzerland, and other countries) is not physically damaging, and addicts have even found jobs when they don't have to deal with prohibition prices and impurities in quality and dosage.
The wrong booze could make someone blind, or die during prohibition, because of prohibition, not because it was booze.
> Heroin
Heroin does not harm the liver, brain, or heart. With proper education, and a safe dose (which we can't have because of prohibition) it is not that dangerous. Obviously it incredibly addictive, with a huge dependence, but not that harmful itself.
> cocaine
I mentioned this
> barbituates
Agreed.
> street methadone.
Street heroin and methodone are dangerous because they are on the street.
Legal heroin (which can be found in addict clinics in Canada, Switzerland, and other countries) is not physically damaging, and addicts have even found jobs when they don't have to deal with prohibition prices and impurities in quality and dosage.
The wrong booze could make someone blind, or die during prohibition, because of prohibition, not because it was booze.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 47 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,547
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,551
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,563
@76,547 (L)A sourceless infographic?
Here's another that gets into more detail.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,564
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,587
@76,547 (L)
Cannabis is more dangerous than solvents and GHB? WTFLOL.
Most inaccurate chart evar.
Cannabis is more dangerous than solvents and GHB? WTFLOL.
Most inaccurate chart evar.
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Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,604
@76,563 (A)
The one I looked at had a source on it, that was just the first version of it that I saw
The one I looked at had a source on it, that was just the first version of it that I saw
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,645
@previous (L)
Like I mentioned, this says cannabis is more dangerous than solvents and GHB.
It has a conclusion without giving evidence. If you have a source, provide it, but right now this chart is pretty useless.
There are lots of these "drug danger ranking" charts, all giving different opinions.
Like I mentioned, this says cannabis is more dangerous than solvents and GHB.
It has a conclusion without giving evidence. If you have a source, provide it, but right now this chart is pretty useless.
There are lots of these "drug danger ranking" charts, all giving different opinions.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #76,646
@previous (A)
ok I'll go look for it again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/09/what_is_the_point_of.html
ok I'll go look for it again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/09/what_is_the_point_of.html
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