Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,411
@561,354 (C)
WIne MAfia gets me a "discount". Thanks.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,412
@previous (A)
I think he means it's expensive. Why not just get real wine at that price?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,419
@previous (H)
I see it like this: a standard bottle of wine is 750mL. A box of Franzia is 5L which is equivalent to 6.67 bottles of wine. $12.49/6.67=$1.87 per bottle which is, as far as I know, the cheapest wine to be had in an American grocery store.
Anonymous H replied with this 11 years ago, 55 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,420
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,423
@previous (H)
The pink one honestly isn't bad over ice on a hot summer day. The white one is blah and the red one gives you terrible hangovers the next day.
Anonymous H replied with this 11 years ago, 36 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,424
@previous (A)
Red wine hangovers are horrifying in general. Urgh.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,425
Hi. I am @OP. I harass people's deceased loved ones years and years after their death. But I am not a loser. No, really, I promise.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,429
@561,420 (H)
It's not fancy wine. It won't impress the guests at a dinner party. It doesn't have notes of oakmoss and vanilla. It's not not the kind of wine you pour in the wineglass and then hold up to the light scrutinizing the color and sediment. It's not from France and it doesn't have a vintage. But it is satisfying. It's the wine equivalent of a bacon cheeseburger. Yes, it's declassé and louche and prole but sometimes it's just what you want. An unpretentious wine. It's cheap but it's honest. Down to earth. A wine to be enjoyed, not contemplated.
Anonymous I replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,430
@previous (A)
That sounds like a wine review from a trailer park.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,433
@previous (I)
Stop stalking me you obsessed fucker. I see you hiding behind the '82 Camaro on blocks in the backyard.
Anonymous I replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,435
@previous (A)
No, really, harassing people's dead loved ones for years and years is not weird, pitiful, and obsessive, and it does not make you a loser. I swear.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,436
@previous (I)
Okay fine the topic was in bad taste I'm sorry. Now can we just discuss box wine?
Anonymous I replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,438
@previous (A)
Yes. Let's. I have actually had some not-bad box wine.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 32 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,439
Anonymous I replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,440
@previous (A)
I do not remember, as it was a few years ago. It was given to me to taste and to review, as an example of the belief that box wine can be good. I do know it was a Merlot, and it was from California. It was as good as any decent (but not great) bottled Merlot I have had from California.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,447
@previous (I)
Franzia makes a Merlot from California, could it have been that one?
Anonymous I replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,448
@previous (A)
No, not Franzia. It was a brand that you might not find in the average supermarket.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,449
@previous (I)
Isn't it all just spoiled grape juice in the end, though?
Anonymous I replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#561,451
@previous (A)
lol no, it is fermented intentionally, not spoiled.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,115
@previous (I)
But I imagine the first few batches of wine were spoiled fruit juice, and subsequent batches were to replicate it.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,119
@previous (A)
Not so. Wine fermentation must be carefully controlled to allow only certain strains of yeast. If you just leave grape juice out, it will be contaminated with random yeaasts, molds, and bacteria, and will become sour and undrinkable, if not hazardous.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,133
@previous (J)
So the very first time paleolithic man tasted alcohol, he "carefully controlled" the wine fermentation to allow "certain strains of yeast"?
Anonymous J replied with this 11 years ago, 53 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,134
@previous (A)
I believe that the gods gave man the knowledge of wine fermentation.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,135
@previous (J)
But there is definitely no way that fruit juice, left to it's own devices, will produce wine?
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,139
@previous (A)
if you add enough sugar to fruit juices you'll get alcohol, and in fact in prisons they use moldy bread as a source of yeast for fermentation.
AND if the alcohol content is high enough it literally sterilizes itself. what you don't want though is just rotten sugar juice without any fermenting going on which i think can happen if you don't add yeast.
it's generally believed that the first alcohols were basically vats of fruit juice left outside where yeast in the air eventually settles and makes alcohol. the process likely wasn't understood for many, many generations.
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squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,140
@562,135 (A)
oh yeah, i've also read that rotting fruit can sometimes form alcohol, like, sitting on the ground. in india there was an elephant that got drunk from eating a bunch of rotting fruit and then ran amok. so i'm betting early drunken man did it by finding fermenting fruit and eating it and then eventually fermenting fruit by intervention.
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FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,150
@562,134 (J)
So you believe a divine being speaks to humans for the sole purpose of teaching them how to create a beverage that leads them to ruination?
Anonymous J replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,153
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Yes. I believe that, as Prometheus brought fire to us, so did Bacchus bring the secret of wine.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,154
@previous (J)
Ah ok. I did not know that. Thank you.
Anonymous J replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#562,155