Topic: What a delightful surprise!
Bobby2Sox !ROYAL6AaYk started this discussion 11 years ago #41,773
I can scarcely believe me good fortune. Pater took me aside in the parlor after high tea today. He told me that I am becoming a true young man now, and that, ever since my plane crash, he has decided that the only way for me to get back on the horse, so to speak, is to take up flying again. I was mere hours away from my private pilot's license, and pater has decided that I simply must complete the license. So, much to my great surprise, pater has bought me mw own, shiny, brand-new King Air aircraft! It looks very much like the one in this photograph (which is from Google). I can hardly believe my luck. In a few mere months, I shall be flying the skies of England in my own new airplane! Sarah and Peter are beside themselves with shared excitement and happiness. Mary, however, has expressed her disapproval, indicating that I am becoming too spoilt.Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 19 minutes later[^] [v] #554,975
Marsden William "Bill" Miller joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 34 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #554,976
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 39 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #554,978
Cool story bruh
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #554,981
squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 18 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #554,987
nice. So what's the startup procedure like for one of those twin engine aircraft, i'm only familiar with piper cherokees. i've always wondered about variable prop aircraft as well, which a King Air would have. when do you trim the prop and why? i've always wondered that.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #554,995
"spoilt" isnt a word, get the fuck out of minichan you pedophile
Syntax joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #554,999
@OP> So, much to my great surprise, pater has bought me mw own, shiny, brand-new King Air aircraft! It looks very much like the one in this photograph (which is from Google). I can hardly believe my luck.
> I am becoming too spoilt.
Naw Prop plane? No Lear Jet? Sorry to discover your mater pater so poor.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 6 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #555,168
hello, bobby, i asked you a question about variable pitch props and i'm curious to know the answer. I'm also curious what sort of action is required to alter the prop pitch, is it like a dial you turn, or a trim wheel or is it a lever of some kind? what sort of granularity do you have over the pitch, is it fully variable or is it set by degrees of rotation or something? Is there automatic variability, or is it something you always have to control?
Also a double prop aircraft is quite a bit larger and heavier than a small cherokee, and i know we'd land at around around 1700rpm and with 40 degree flaps and then flare around 70mph at idle, so what sort of "by the numbers" landing procedures do you use? for reference a cherokee went 10Deg 80, 25Deg 75, idle and flare at 69, but we almost never used full flaps. How about in a larger craft? i would expect the handling to be more difficult anyway, so full flaps or what, and at what speed?
just curious. I've always loved twin engine aircraft, but i never got licensed on one of those. I never got instrument cert either, but then again i never had a reason to be since we always flew VFR.
Also a double prop aircraft is quite a bit larger and heavier than a small cherokee, and i know we'd land at around around 1700rpm and with 40 degree flaps and then flare around 70mph at idle, so what sort of "by the numbers" landing procedures do you use? for reference a cherokee went 10Deg 80, 25Deg 75, idle and flare at 69, but we almost never used full flaps. How about in a larger craft? i would expect the handling to be more difficult anyway, so full flaps or what, and at what speed?
just curious. I've always loved twin engine aircraft, but i never got licensed on one of those. I never got instrument cert either, but then again i never had a reason to be since we always flew VFR.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 4 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #555,231
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 35 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #555,235
@554,999 (Syntax)
he showed a picture of a Beechcraft King Air 350, which is about a 4-5 million dollar twin-turboprop aircraft, new. Used, it's still going to cost you millions. You can get like a 91 King Air 350 for just under 2 million bucks. even their older B200 is half a million bucks. i mean, those are 11 passenger aircraft, of course it's super expensive. the G58 is a much smaller airplane, but even that's a 6 passenger plane. it's their smallest new twin engine. of course, it's still half a million bucks, used. New, probably closer to 7-8 hundred thousand.
but a king air 350 like OP pictured, especially if he means brand new, is outrageously expensive for a casual flyer who doesn't have a license and very little experience on smaller craft. his dad might as well have bought him a Lamborghini for his first car, it'd be cheaper and probably a whole lot safer.
It's primary civilian use is as a private corporate aircraft, but more often than not they are bought to be used by some military for things like coastal patrols. the 350 carries a very large extra payload and has unusually long range for an airplane that size, and can be outfitted to even drop paratroopers.
it's not everyday you meet someone who actually OWNS one, and a NEW one to boot, since as a civilian plane it competes against jet aircraft which are just flat faster.
he showed a picture of a Beechcraft King Air 350, which is about a 4-5 million dollar twin-turboprop aircraft, new. Used, it's still going to cost you millions. You can get like a 91 King Air 350 for just under 2 million bucks. even their older B200 is half a million bucks. i mean, those are 11 passenger aircraft, of course it's super expensive. the G58 is a much smaller airplane, but even that's a 6 passenger plane. it's their smallest new twin engine. of course, it's still half a million bucks, used. New, probably closer to 7-8 hundred thousand.
but a king air 350 like OP pictured, especially if he means brand new, is outrageously expensive for a casual flyer who doesn't have a license and very little experience on smaller craft. his dad might as well have bought him a Lamborghini for his first car, it'd be cheaper and probably a whole lot safer.
It's primary civilian use is as a private corporate aircraft, but more often than not they are bought to be used by some military for things like coastal patrols. the 350 carries a very large extra payload and has unusually long range for an airplane that size, and can be outfitted to even drop paratroopers.
it's not everyday you meet someone who actually OWNS one, and a NEW one to boot, since as a civilian plane it competes against jet aircraft which are just flat faster.
squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #555,236
and, also, you can totally get a small jet aircraft (like a 6 seater) for less money than a Beechcraft King Air with 11 passenger seats. they go for 1.5 million used. probably 3-4 new.
so... his dad must have really nice taste in aircraft if he's going around buying a king air as a student flyer.
so... his dad must have really nice taste in aircraft if he's going around buying a king air as a student flyer.
kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 19 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #555,237
This thread is so fucking creepy. I can't even accurately describe my feelings about it.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #555,238
Your schtick is terrible. Kindly shut the fuck up.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #555,263
@555,237 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
yeah, i know. it's like his dad has an ulterior motive. like, he's got this accident prone and sickly child, let's put an insurance policy on him and then take out insurance on a multi-million dollar aircraft. put 2 and 2 together and let nature take its course, i suppose.
like seriously, OP should be careful, in the states you have to get licensed to fly single engine light aircraft before you can get licensed to fly a twin-engine. Also you'd have to be instrument rated and ready to fly IFR. so, if OP's dad is like, "Okay, son, time to solo" he might want to conduct his own walk-around and do all his own flight prep.
yeah, i know. it's like his dad has an ulterior motive. like, he's got this accident prone and sickly child, let's put an insurance policy on him and then take out insurance on a multi-million dollar aircraft. put 2 and 2 together and let nature take its course, i suppose.
like seriously, OP should be careful, in the states you have to get licensed to fly single engine light aircraft before you can get licensed to fly a twin-engine. Also you'd have to be instrument rated and ready to fly IFR. so, if OP's dad is like, "Okay, son, time to solo" he might want to conduct his own walk-around and do all his own flight prep.
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Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,360
@555,236 (squeegee)
or he's lying his ass off and grabbed a random airplane pic off the internet becuase he knows so little about aircraft he didn't know not to claim his dad bought him a fucking private passenger plane he can't actually even fly.
it's like he said, "oh joy, pater says i simply must get my driver's license so he bought me a city bus with which to practice sunday driving."
or he's lying his ass off and grabbed a random airplane pic off the internet becuase he knows so little about aircraft he didn't know not to claim his dad bought him a fucking private passenger plane he can't actually even fly.
it's like he said, "oh joy, pater says i simply must get my driver's license so he bought me a city bus with which to practice sunday driving."
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,494
@previous (L)
no, i'm going to take his word for it and just sit here quietly and wait for him to reply to my questions. I know he knows this stuff, he's only a few hours away from being a licensed private pilot after all.
no, i'm going to take his word for it and just sit here quietly and wait for him to reply to my questions. I know he knows this stuff, he's only a few hours away from being a licensed private pilot after all.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,496
@OP
I think Adam Lanza is a pretty cool guy, eh kills elementary schoolers (HILARIOUS) and doesn't afraid of everything.
I think Adam Lanza is a pretty cool guy, eh kills elementary schoolers (HILARIOUS) and doesn't afraid of everything.
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,497
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,525
@555,496 (M)let's try and keep this thread on topic, we're discussing airplanes in this thread. Now usually i wouldn't give a fuck about some shit posting, but there's no one else here for me to talk to about a flying except for bobby. i'd just like to have a serious conversation with him about our shared interest rather than have this thread derailed and filled with shit posts.
that being said here's a picture of a cessna 180, the first plane that my dad owned. it seats 4, it was slow and ugly, but it was a hearty little plane that was really pretty great. you've got a really good view out the side windows with the high wing design. it's essentially a 2 door sedan with folding seats and cramped quarters in the rear. You couldn't carry much additional weight with you, but for short flights it was pretty much perfect. you could make a 6 hour car ride in less than 3 hours, so, it was pretty sweet.
but, it was getting older and needed to be completely reserviced and have the engine rebuilt and have all kinds of cabling replaced and just general maintenance on it was getting into the expensive territory. So he sold it off and bought another plane that had already been recently refurbished. a little newer piper cherokee.
I never really got to fly the cessna, because i was never allowed to pilot the entire flight. i was really way too young to do much but hold a heading once we got to altitude. But, i did learn to trim out the elevators and read the instruments. i could also track our course and do some VFR navigating using charts. i'd call out altitude and my dad let me do the flaps, but i was not ever allowed to land or really do any maneuvering more than a few long banking turns.
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Anonymous M replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,530
@previous (squeegee)
He gets extremely upset whenever anyone mentions the pile of dead kids at Sandy Hook Elementary. This amuses me, sir, and I shall not allow you to obstruct my enjoyment of this board.
He gets extremely upset whenever anyone mentions the pile of dead kids at Sandy Hook Elementary. This amuses me, sir, and I shall not allow you to obstruct my enjoyment of this board.
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,534
@555,237 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
> This thread is so fucking creepy. I can't even accurately describe my feelings about it.
put your foot down then
> This thread is so fucking creepy. I can't even accurately describe my feelings about it.
put your foot down then
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,570
@555,530 (M)very well, carry on. but maybe you could mention planes from time to time?
and actually i'll need to ask my dad if his cessna was a 180 or a 177, i remember it more as a 177 but his landing gears didn't have whatever the fender things are on this one. they were definitely fixed. also i remember the side window in the rear being much smaller. i don't know the year on this one, but i'll have to ask anyway. i sent him a text.
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,572
kook !!mCVqftDha double-posted this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,577
Bobby you arent Lex Luther and you have never survived a plane crash. It's so fucking creepy that you not only pretend to be a survivor of a horrible accident, but also a British schoolboy. There is no way in hell that you are younger than forty, which makes this whole thing worse. Fucking post a time stamped pic of your scars, or clam the fuck up.
Anonymous M replied with this 11 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,578
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,579
When I read this, I literally pictured an old man in a basement, manipulating a corpse of a school boy on strings. Like a rotting, maggot filled Pinnochio.
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,581
bobby are you still 13-14? you know, the same age you were like, 4 years ago? get back to me on these pressing issues with a quickness, the public demands to know
Anonymous M replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,584
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,593
squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,595
okay, so he texted back cessna 150, and this is the closest i've found to what i remember. small back windows, tricycle landing gears.Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,596
@previous (squeegee)
> okay, so he texted back cessna 150, and this is the closest i've found to what i remember. small back windows, tricycle landing gears.
strange such a rich boy would choose such a cheap plane
> okay, so he texted back cessna 150, and this is the closest i've found to what i remember. small back windows, tricycle landing gears.
strange such a rich boy would choose such a cheap plane
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 33 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,606
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,607
after he sold that one he bought a Piper cherokee 140. it was quite a bit newer than the cessna, and also a lot sportier looking. So the cherokee is the plane that as i got older i was allowed to learn to do more things with. This one i learned how to take off, fly VFR, and do landings. even though i was still pretty young (14) and couldn't actually even get a certificate it didn't matter. my dad didn't want to have a heart attack while flying and have it kill ME too. my mom got her license because she insisted more than one person in the vehicle needed to know how to fly. but, flying made her more nervous than happy (when SHE'd be doing it) but she wanted to know how to land if they were taking kids up. I'd go with my dad every sunday and we'd go out flying but my mom didn't always go, so my dad started to teach me enough stuff to get us on the ground in an emergency. it felt like the largest responsibility in the fucking world to be learning the knowledge he was teaching me then. our lives could have depended on me and so it was like, "puff my chest out pride" to be handed the controls. i took it very seriously. it was not a game. but, i'd been operating the controls of an airplane for years before i ever even got to drive a car, so, for some reason it didn't seem odd for me to know more about how to fly a plane than drive.
of course i haven't done any kind of flying since my dad ended up selling it (the flying through guide wires of a radio tower made him reevaluate what was important in his life.)
i've given a lot of thought to going to school and get my license and buy a plane, but, it's really fucking expensive these days.
i'm also not a mechanic and i'd be paying the premium price for maintenance. anything new, airplane wise, is going to cost about the same as a very nice luxury car or like an expensive sports car. anything new is going to have all kinds of crazy expensive composite materials and high-end avionics that cost like 30 grand alone. I'm not sure what kind of super low cost entry level airplanes are out there, and pretty much anything new is going to be "experimental" like little pusher planes and ultralight shit. (which my dad owned too - never get one, fuck that)
So i'd pretty much be looking at stuff like the piper 180s from the mid 80s and stuff, but even those are like buying a new car. plus you've got hangar or lot fees, all kinds of maintenance costs, expensive gas. it's not a cheap hobby at all. Sure, you can always make back what you spent on the plane itself when you sell it, but all the other fees and costs are just lost.
well, spent on the hobby, not lost. but it's still expensive entertainment. An alternative are of course Airplane clubs, where groups own a portion of an airplane and split costs between them. like a time share, basically. at least that way i could get my license and have something to fly rather than pay huge rental costs and shit (which you can't even always find anyway)
but it would be useless to have a license and not have access to an airplane.
Anyway, when my dad sold that plane i objected the loudest. i was shocked, i couldn't believe it. i thought it would be mine one day. very sad. very dark day.
squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,609
@555,596 (G)
pff, middle class. but we're talking the 80s and 90s here, stuff was cheaper back then and my dad owned his house outright at that point. with no mortgage you can have all kinds of stuff, like boats and planes and cars. my dad had a plane, his buddies had the cars and boats. mostly people'd get big fancy 30k ski boats and a truck to tow it around.
it was a different world back then. you didn't used to HAVE to be pretty well-off to own really fancy toys. but he wasn't buying brand new anything because he wasn't rich.
pff, middle class. but we're talking the 80s and 90s here, stuff was cheaper back then and my dad owned his house outright at that point. with no mortgage you can have all kinds of stuff, like boats and planes and cars. my dad had a plane, his buddies had the cars and boats. mostly people'd get big fancy 30k ski boats and a truck to tow it around.
it was a different world back then. you didn't used to HAVE to be pretty well-off to own really fancy toys. but he wasn't buying brand new anything because he wasn't rich.
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,612
@555,606 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
> what are you talking about?
cesna 150 is only 20-30k, if he was truly a rich wee school boy im sure he would have gotten something much more extravagant
except he wont because he cant because hes a 40 year old creep
> what are you talking about?
cesna 150 is only 20-30k, if he was truly a rich wee school boy im sure he would have gotten something much more extravagant
except he wont because he cant because hes a 40 year old creep
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,614
@previous (G)a beechcraft baron g58 would be something much more extravagant at upwards of 1 million bucks, used. it carries six, and is not going to be cheap at all to maintain. being a twin engine your maintenance costs are going to pretty much immediately double. this is one of the largest "personal aircraft" that even makes logical sense, anything bigger is fucking extraordinarily more expensive to own and operate. you're almost at the commercial level with a g58. this is about as extravagant as you can possibly get as a personal aircraft.
and this thing is tiny compared to a fucking king air 350
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FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #555,624
@555,612 (G)
but why did you cite/quote squeegee with that comment? that's the part that threw me off.
but why did you cite/quote squeegee with that comment? that's the part that threw me off.
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 21 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #555,994
if i could have any plane, it would probably be this one. it's over my head, of course, being acrobatic and all. But if i could afford to own this, then i could afford a cessna to fly for a couple of years. but this, this is a fucking airplane. it's god damned gorgeous.squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #555,995
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 28 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #555,996
I notice Bobby2comix doesn't reply to questions. He also can't bother posting a photo of his own plane, making it doubly obvious he's a fake.
@555235 (squeegee)
> but a king air 350 like OP pictured, especially if he means brand new, is outrageously expensive for a casual flyer who doesn't have a license and very little experience on smaller craft. his dad might as well have bought him a Lamborghini for his first car, it'd be cheaper and probably a whole lot safer.
Bobby2comix's story has fallen apart!
@555235 (squeegee)
> but a king air 350 like OP pictured, especially if he means brand new, is outrageously expensive for a casual flyer who doesn't have a license and very little experience on smaller craft. his dad might as well have bought him a Lamborghini for his first car, it'd be cheaper and probably a whole lot safer.
Bobby2comix's story has fallen apart!
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 42 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #555,997
i mean, god damn, dat ass, fuck!squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #555,998
hnnnnggsqueegee triple-posted this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #556,001
oh my godit's hotter than most women
squeegee quadruple-posted this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #556,004
it also goes for around 60 grand, making it totally attainable even though it's not practical. at alli used to know a guy that flew an EDGE 540 out of an airfield in McKinney, i didn't know this, but small municipal airfields sell their hangars like houses. you buy them and then you can actually live in them. he had 2 planes, an EDGE 540 (the Red Bull plane) and a cessna caravan or something, it was like an 8 passenger twin-engine plane he was rebuilding to resell. anyway, he had a loft apartment above the hangar, it was like 2 bedrooms and had a big ass living area. like fully done up like a condo, it was very nice. And then down in the hangar was like 250k worth of airplanes. he was the coolest mother fucker. flight instructor among other things, and he did stunt flying and raced.
edit: totally would have turned gay for him if he wasn't fucking married to some slut
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squeegee quintuple-posted this 11 years ago, 50 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #556,017
well, ones that are 25 years old hit the 60k neighborhood.
more like 190k for the kit to build it yourself new. they are also sold fully assembled at a "Call for Price" kinda price. so, a lot i'm sure. guessing around 250k brand new from the factory.
other options include buying used or buying a partially completed one and finishing the build by hand or by wallet.
i need to make more money, god damn.
edit: and boy is it sure taking bobby a long time to see this thread being bumped and answer my questions. wish he'd reply.
more like 190k for the kit to build it yourself new. they are also sold fully assembled at a "Call for Price" kinda price. so, a lot i'm sure. guessing around 250k brand new from the factory.
other options include buying used or buying a partially completed one and finishing the build by hand or by wallet.
i need to make more money, god damn.
edit: and boy is it sure taking bobby a long time to see this thread being bumped and answer my questions. wish he'd reply.
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FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #556,052
@555,997 (squeegee)
To be honest, that tail reminds me of a crawfish.
@556,004 (squeegee)
whyareyounotlivinginahangarrightfuckingnowbro
To be honest, that tail reminds me of a crawfish.
@556,004 (squeegee)
whyareyounotlivinginahangarrightfuckingnowbro
squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #556,061
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)the dream
for only 800k plus the price of a plane i could live in a private fly-in community :D
squeegee double-posted this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #556,063
but that's a bit different, that's like the "new" thing where it's "more house than hangar"
this is just a straight up hangar on an airfield with a built in apartment. 450k.
this is just a straight up hangar on an airfield with a built in apartment. 450k.
squeegee triple-posted this 11 years ago, 18 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #556,064
oops, forgot pic