Topic: Belief in evolution vs. national wealth
Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago #41,268
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 25 minutes later[^] [v] #548,630
Shoutout to USAmerica there for admirably resisting the educational benefits of more money.
Green joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #548,632
Ha. People who believe in evolution are idiots. If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #548,633
@previous (Green)
Because we diverged from them. We have a common ancestor, but what are now modern monkeys evolved in a different direction to us.
It now occurs to me that talking to Green about a serious matter like this is probably pointless, but I already wrote that first part so oh well.
Because we diverged from them. We have a common ancestor, but what are now modern monkeys evolved in a different direction to us.
It now occurs to me that talking to Green about a serious matter like this is probably pointless, but I already wrote that first part so oh well.
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #548,634
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I didn't evolve from no monkey. Do I even look like a monkey?
I didn't evolve from no monkey. Do I even look like a monkey?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #548,635
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #548,637
Here is a picture of a chimpanzee I saw at the zoo years ago. They are like little people <3
Green double-posted this 11 years ago, 49 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #548,639
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #548,644
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Now someone tell me that Green does not look like a monkey....Metæ joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,733
Ha! We get money AND religion! Yuropoors=pwnt.
I am actually surprised to see so little belief in evolution in the formerly communist Eastern bloc. Even decades of state atheism and repression of religion can't quash religion.
I am actually surprised to see so little belief in evolution in the formerly communist Eastern bloc. Even decades of state atheism and repression of religion can't quash religion.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 21 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,738
Why is the US the only country from the Americas? I'd be interested to know where Canada, Mexico, Brazil, and the rest all fall on this graph. And where is most of Asia? That more than 3/4ths of the world's population is missing from the graph makes it look like just another Europe v. US Internet meme. (Well, Europe, Japan, and Turkey) Yeah, I get it that the US is backward with a largely (wilfully) ignorant population, but I knew that already. I live there. I'd like to see the whole picture though.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,739
@previous (G)
Yeah, Canada would be really interesting to see. I'm guessing they're of comparable wealth, yet they have a reputation for being more liberal than USAmerica. Would be interested to see if and roughly how much that translates into a more scientific outlook in the citizens.
Yeah, Canada would be really interesting to see. I'm guessing they're of comparable wealth, yet they have a reputation for being more liberal than USAmerica. Would be interested to see if and roughly how much that translates into a more scientific outlook in the citizens.
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Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,742
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I would wager countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and maybe even Brazil and Argentina would probably both fit the curve pretty well while lending a little more credibility to the graph. But I'd love to see India, China, and Russia on there too.
I would wager countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and maybe even Brazil and Argentina would probably both fit the curve pretty well while lending a little more credibility to the graph. But I'd love to see India, China, and Russia on there too.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,743
@previous (G)
Now China would be really interesting to see. Correct me if I'm wrong, but their government is atheistic whilst their citizens are generally a bit poorer, right? So maybe they'd be an inverse anomaly of the USA? High belief in evolution despite people being a bit worse off?
Now China would be really interesting to see. Correct me if I'm wrong, but their government is atheistic whilst their citizens are generally a bit poorer, right? So maybe they'd be an inverse anomaly of the USA? High belief in evolution despite people being a bit worse off?
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,744
Austria and Switzerland rate a lot lower on the evolution line than I expected.
@548,738 (G)
I'm guessing that Asia is not featured becaseu they are not christian(Japan and Turkey were featured because they are outliers). Latin America would very likely be low on both sides of the graphic.
@548,738 (G)
I'm guessing that Asia is not featured becaseu they are not christian(Japan and Turkey were featured because they are outliers). Latin America would very likely be low on both sides of the graphic.
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,747
@548,743 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I think you are right. Some light Googling puts China's GDP per capita (not adjusted) at around 6800 USD while around some 70% responded in favor of the prompt "Human beings are evolved from early animal" in at least one survey. It's probably good to treat any survey results lightly as getting a representative sample of all of China's citizens by any one survey would be difficult, but I think you're probably correct that China would show up as an outlier on the opposite end as the US.
I think you are right. Some light Googling puts China's GDP per capita (not adjusted) at around 6800 USD while around some 70% responded in favor of the prompt "Human beings are evolved from early animal" in at least one survey. It's probably good to treat any survey results lightly as getting a representative sample of all of China's citizens by any one survey would be difficult, but I think you're probably correct that China would show up as an outlier on the opposite end as the US.
Anonymous G double-posted this 11 years ago, 16 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,751
@548,744 (H)
> Latin America would very likely be low on both sides of the graphic.
Latin America is pretty heavily a Catholic demographic, but the Catholic Church doesn't really have a problem with evolution. So religion there doesn't play the same role in acceptance of evolution as it does in, say, the US where evangelical protestant sects are the most vocal opponents of evolution. Just from some quick poking around it looks like Argentina would fall somewhere around Croatia on that curve. (low on the x-axis, but around midpoint on the y-axis)
> Latin America would very likely be low on both sides of the graphic.
Latin America is pretty heavily a Catholic demographic, but the Catholic Church doesn't really have a problem with evolution. So religion there doesn't play the same role in acceptance of evolution as it does in, say, the US where evangelical protestant sects are the most vocal opponents of evolution. Just from some quick poking around it looks like Argentina would fall somewhere around Croatia on that curve. (low on the x-axis, but around midpoint on the y-axis)
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 38 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,764
@548,639 (Green)
Didn't you say you were going to post a picture of a chimpanzee? That's an African native.
Didn't you say you were going to post a picture of a chimpanzee? That's an African native.
Anonymous H replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,796
@548,751 (G)
It's not about being Catholic, it's about being poor and ignorant, a big part of the population is rural/alienated from urban centers, and has very little education.
Also, Brazil has a huge population of evangelicals nowadays, practicing evangelics probably already outnumber catholics, and they are steadily gaining more political power. That would have a big impact.
The southern cone (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and the southern half of Brazil) would have similar GDP to Poland, with y-axis being as around 60%. I'd expect Chile to be country most receptive to evolution, and maybe Argentina the least.
Most of the remaining continent roughly speaking would score low on both, with GDP lower or similar to Turkey and maybe 45% on the y-axis. I know for sure that Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador and Venezuela would be low, I'm not too certain about Colombia though.
It's not about being Catholic, it's about being poor and ignorant, a big part of the population is rural/alienated from urban centers, and has very little education.
Also, Brazil has a huge population of evangelicals nowadays, practicing evangelics probably already outnumber catholics, and they are steadily gaining more political power. That would have a big impact.
The southern cone (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and the southern half of Brazil) would have similar GDP to Poland, with y-axis being as around 60%. I'd expect Chile to be country most receptive to evolution, and maybe Argentina the least.
Most of the remaining continent roughly speaking would score low on both, with GDP lower or similar to Turkey and maybe 45% on the y-axis. I know for sure that Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador and Venezuela would be low, I'm not too certain about Colombia though.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 11 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,884
Are birds descendants of flies?
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #548,885
@548,796 (H)
> Brazil has a huge population of evangelicals nowadays
Holy shit. I don't follow Brazilian politics a whole lot, but the evangelicals are even making headway into politics. Argentina, I suppose, just got big dose of Catholicism in the arm because of Pope Francis, so I assumed status quo for other South American nations. Thanks for the heads up.
@previous (J)
Birds probably descend from a select group of dinosaurs. (which, in turn, come from a group of reptiles) They share a (very distant) common ancestor, but "descendants of" would most likely not be correct.
> Brazil has a huge population of evangelicals nowadays
Holy shit. I don't follow Brazilian politics a whole lot, but the evangelicals are even making headway into politics. Argentina, I suppose, just got big dose of Catholicism in the arm because of Pope Francis, so I assumed status quo for other South American nations. Thanks for the heads up.
@previous (J)
Birds probably descend from a select group of dinosaurs. (which, in turn, come from a group of reptiles) They share a (very distant) common ancestor, but "descendants of" would most likely not be correct.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #548,914
Anonymous H replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #548,918
Isn't the Czech Republic very atheist, by the way? They don't seem to believe in evolution a lot for an irreligous country.
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #548,919
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@548,739 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Canada wasn't in the cited study, but a quick Wiki search shows "61% of Canadians believe that humans evolved from less advanced life forms, while 22% believe that God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years" cited from http://angusreidglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012.09.05_CreEvo.pdf
GDP per capita is $44,500 (2014 est.) in 2013 US dollars, from CIA world factbook
So it'd be near Switzerland.
The line of best fit on the graph is evolution belief = 101(1 - 9260/GDP per capita)
y = 101(1 - 9260/44500)
101(1 - 9260/44500) actually equals 79.9%. So Canada would be fairly below the curve afaik.
As for India: "Among those who had heard of Charles Darwin and knew something about the theory of evolution, 77% of people in India agree that enough scientific evidence exists to support Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution.[115][116] Also, 85% of God believing Indians who know about evolution agree that life on earth evolved over time as a result of natural selection.[115]" cited from http://ncse.com/news/2009/07/opinions-evolution-from-ten-countries-004885 and http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2009/07/darwin-and-unnatural-disbelief.html
GDP per capita is: $5,800 (2014 est.) in 2013 US dollars from CIA world factbook
y = 101(1 - 9260/5800)
101(1 - 9260/5800) = -60%
India doesn't fit on this graph. It'd be far to the left (too far to fit on the scale, which starts at 10'000 GDP per capita) and very high on the y-axis.
@548,739 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Canada wasn't in the cited study, but a quick Wiki search shows "61% of Canadians believe that humans evolved from less advanced life forms, while 22% believe that God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years" cited from http://angusreidglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012.09.05_CreEvo.pdf
GDP per capita is $44,500 (2014 est.) in 2013 US dollars, from CIA world factbook
So it'd be near Switzerland.
The line of best fit on the graph is evolution belief = 101(1 - 9260/GDP per capita)
y = 101(1 - 9260/44500)
101(1 - 9260/44500) actually equals 79.9%. So Canada would be fairly below the curve afaik.
As for India: "Among those who had heard of Charles Darwin and knew something about the theory of evolution, 77% of people in India agree that enough scientific evidence exists to support Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution.[115][116] Also, 85% of God believing Indians who know about evolution agree that life on earth evolved over time as a result of natural selection.[115]" cited from http://ncse.com/news/2009/07/opinions-evolution-from-ten-countries-004885 and http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2009/07/darwin-and-unnatural-disbelief.html
GDP per capita is: $5,800 (2014 est.) in 2013 US dollars from CIA world factbook
y = 101(1 - 9260/5800)
101(1 - 9260/5800) = -60%
India doesn't fit on this graph. It'd be far to the left (too far to fit on the scale, which starts at 10'000 GDP per capita) and very high on the y-axis.
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Anonymous J replied with this 11 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #549,001
@548,914 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
What's not how evolution works? It's just a big tree where all you see are some of the leaves isn't it?
It's mad how two different species both won the flight attribute.
What's not how evolution works? It's just a big tree where all you see are some of the leaves isn't it?
It's mad how two different species both won the flight attribute.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #549,006
Anonymous H replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #549,043
@549,001 (J)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution
> the flight attrivute
you make it sounds like it's an rpg lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution
> the flight attrivute
you make it sounds like it's an rpg lol
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #549,129
@previous (H)What if it is just an RPG and we're all just grinding for XP, levelling up and waiting to evolve?
Anonymous H replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #549,146
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Then it's a very shitty one, and I demand a refund. You can't even have more than 1 character.
Then it's a very shitty one, and I demand a refund. You can't even have more than 1 character.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 9 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #549,258
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 6 days later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #551,343
Here's one that's of US states!Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #551,348
@previous (A)
Oh look, the northeast is carrying the intellectual and economic weight of the nation as usual.
Oh look, the northeast is carrying the intellectual and economic weight of the nation as usual.
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@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I will need to consult my attorney before I answer that question, thanks. But yes.
I will need to consult my attorney before I answer that question, thanks. But yes.
Anonymous N replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #551,380
@551,353 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
@551,370 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Sticking up for Killer Lettuce.
He has family that fought long and hard on American soil. They only wanted tax money Americans refused to pay the King.
@551,370 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Sticking up for Killer Lettuce.
He has family that fought long and hard on American soil. They only wanted tax money Americans refused to pay the King.