Topic: The irony of atheism in Iceland
Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago #41,045
Iceland has a high number of atheists and perhaps the highest number of people (per capita) who take the theory of evolution at heart. The irony is that despite this there is still large support
for state sponsored Christianity.
I think that this is a sign of the pure dominance that Christianity has in Iceland, while a few atheists and priests talk about the high number of atheists as a sign of Christian decline, i think
they are making a mistake. I think that secretly and maybe unknowingly, all those atheists are heavily influenced by Christianity.
What do i mean? Consider this analogy:
A soldier caught in a hellish war decides that he doesn't believe in that war anymore and deserts. While the soldier deserts he comforts himself by convincing himself that even though he deserts
he is not changing anything for the better or worse because others will continue to fight the good fight.
So the military discipline has such a strong hold on that deserter that the only true way to desert is to rationalize it in a way that it is as if he is making excuses to the military commander himself.
In that way, atheists depend upon state sponsored Christianity as a way to explain to the priest that he is not needed in Christianity and thus Christianity will go on without him. This is a sign of strong
Psychological stronghold on them. One is reminded that fuck you angry guy.
for state sponsored Christianity.
I think that this is a sign of the pure dominance that Christianity has in Iceland, while a few atheists and priests talk about the high number of atheists as a sign of Christian decline, i think
they are making a mistake. I think that secretly and maybe unknowingly, all those atheists are heavily influenced by Christianity.
What do i mean? Consider this analogy:
A soldier caught in a hellish war decides that he doesn't believe in that war anymore and deserts. While the soldier deserts he comforts himself by convincing himself that even though he deserts
he is not changing anything for the better or worse because others will continue to fight the good fight.
So the military discipline has such a strong hold on that deserter that the only true way to desert is to rationalize it in a way that it is as if he is making excuses to the military commander himself.
In that way, atheists depend upon state sponsored Christianity as a way to explain to the priest that he is not needed in Christianity and thus Christianity will go on without him. This is a sign of strong
Psychological stronghold on them. One is reminded that fuck you angry guy.
Green joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later[^] [v] #545,636
Iceland is a myth.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,640
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,646
Green double-posted this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,647
Don't tell me you dumbass americans believed they were real?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,649
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,652
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 18 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,660
I like you a lot, Iceland Guy. I enjoy your topics about Iceland.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,664
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,665
Green stands alone.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,666
Green replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #545,667
@previous (A)
Green also knows this tiny planet isn't enough. I won't stop until this entire universe is under my control. I am the God of the Reternalists!
Green also knows this tiny planet isn't enough. I won't stop until this entire universe is under my control. I am the God of the Reternalists!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,668
@previous (Green)
I hope Green knows that knowledge is overate. Sometimes knowledge isn't really knowledge at all, but belief
I hope Green knows that knowledge is overate. Sometimes knowledge isn't really knowledge at all, but belief
Syntax joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,670
@previous (A)
So having no clue how far this state sponsorship goes I hit wiki
Affiliation by religious movement (1 January 2014)
Church of Iceland
75%
Other Christian
12%
Other and not specified
6%
Unaffiliated
5%
Germanic neopaganism
0.7%
Buddhism
0.4%
Islam
0.3%
Bahá'í Faith
0.1%
Icelanders have freedom of religion under the constitution of Iceland, though the Church of Iceland, a Lutheran body, is the state church. The Registers Iceland keeps account of the religious affiliation of every Icelandic citizen. In 2014, Icelanders were divided into religious groups as follows:
75% members of the Church of Iceland.
12% members of some other Christian denomination.
6.4% other and not specified
5.3% unaffiliated
1.5% members of non-Christian denomination.
Iceland is a very secular country: as with other Nordic nations, religious attendance is relatively low. The above statistics represent administrative membership of religious organisations, which does not necessarily reflect the belief demographics of the population of Iceland. According to a study published in 2001, 23% of the inhabitants are either atheist or agnostic. A Gallup poll conducted in 2012 found that 57% of Icelanders considered themselves "a religious person", 31% consider themselves "a non religious person", while 10% define themselves as "a convinced atheist", placing Iceland among the top 10 atheist populations in the world.
So Iceland dude Exactly wot is the problem?
So having no clue how far this state sponsorship goes I hit wiki
Affiliation by religious movement (1 January 2014)
Church of Iceland
75%
Other Christian
12%
Other and not specified
6%
Unaffiliated
5%
Germanic neopaganism
0.7%
Buddhism
0.4%
Islam
0.3%
Bahá'í Faith
0.1%
Icelanders have freedom of religion under the constitution of Iceland, though the Church of Iceland, a Lutheran body, is the state church. The Registers Iceland keeps account of the religious affiliation of every Icelandic citizen. In 2014, Icelanders were divided into religious groups as follows:
75% members of the Church of Iceland.
12% members of some other Christian denomination.
6.4% other and not specified
5.3% unaffiliated
1.5% members of non-Christian denomination.
Iceland is a very secular country: as with other Nordic nations, religious attendance is relatively low. The above statistics represent administrative membership of religious organisations, which does not necessarily reflect the belief demographics of the population of Iceland. According to a study published in 2001, 23% of the inhabitants are either atheist or agnostic. A Gallup poll conducted in 2012 found that 57% of Icelanders considered themselves "a religious person", 31% consider themselves "a non religious person", while 10% define themselves as "a convinced atheist", placing Iceland among the top 10 atheist populations in the world.
So Iceland dude Exactly wot is the problem?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,671
The irony about Iceland, is that no one gives a shit about it
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,673
@545,670 (Syntax)
How can it be secular country when you learn about Jesus as a fact in public schools?
How can it be secular country when you learn about Jesus as a fact in public schools?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,685
Ha! Oh Iceland guy, you cannot stop atheism. What you have described is merely a minor setback.Soon all of Iceland will be converted, and then we'll see if Jesus is taught in the public schools! Mwahahahah!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,689
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
What i have described, Killer Lettuce, is the stronghold of religion. It is not a minor setback, it is a symptom of dominance.
What i have described, Killer Lettuce, is the stronghold of religion. It is not a minor setback, it is a symptom of dominance.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,691
@previous (A)You naive fool. Atheism is the only true religion. No "stronghold" can withstand us.
Soon Lord Dawkins will ascend, and strike down the heathens.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,692
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You silly little blasphemous lettuce! As soon as the anti-christ strikes one believer down, two more shall take his place.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
You silly little blasphemous lettuce! As soon as the anti-christ strikes one believer down, two more shall take his place.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #545,697
@previous (A)Augh, so many heathens!
But no matter. They will convert to science in due course. They must.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,700
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)If they do my dear, it does not signify the end of religion as clearly explained in this thread.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,703
@previous (A)Of course not. Atheism will just be the only religion.
Tell me, child, what happened to you to make you turn away from atheism? It is a peaceful, wise philosophy that can answer all of life's important questions. I cannot see why someone wouldn't want that!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,709
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
The only reason to become atheist is that you lack the belief in God. When atheists try to produce just that, inside myself, they seem to be unable to realize that they aren't just creating a lack
of belief in God but a general disapproval of belief. What is the world without belief? It is a world where you cannot believe in Ideals and a world without Ideals is a barbaric world.
The only reason to become atheist is that you lack the belief in God. When atheists try to produce just that, inside myself, they seem to be unable to realize that they aren't just creating a lack
of belief in God but a general disapproval of belief. What is the world without belief? It is a world where you cannot believe in Ideals and a world without Ideals is a barbaric world.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,711
@previous (A)I don't care. We will create a world without belief or joy, and make humanity into a race of perfectly efficient automatons. Bwhahahaha!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,712
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
But a world without belief is a world that does not believe in your cause. You shall never succeed, you shall never take over the world and never will you remove the eternal stronghold of christian ideology
http://thehiddenbay.net/torrent/9630227/The.Perverts.Guide.To.Ideology.2012.DVDRip.x264-WaLMaRT
But a world without belief is a world that does not believe in your cause. You shall never succeed, you shall never take over the world and never will you remove the eternal stronghold of christian ideology
http://thehiddenbay.net/torrent/9630227/The.Perverts.Guide.To.Ideology.2012.DVDRip.x264-WaLMaRT
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 58 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,719
@545,703 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
@545,711 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Why did her eye color swap?
@545,711 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Why did her eye color swap?
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,721
@545,673 (A)
LOL
I learned about Jesus while in school nor was it state sponsored.
According to a few school mates I killed Jesus.
LOL
I learned about Jesus while in school nor was it state sponsored.
According to a few school mates I killed Jesus.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,722
@previous (Syntax)
So what you are saying is that, teaching children to be Christian in public schools is not at all anti-secular?
So what you are saying is that, teaching children to be Christian in public schools is not at all anti-secular?
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,724
@previous (A)
Just making some humor over the situation. My parents wood have been pissed if they were actually teaching Jesus in my school.
Just making some humor over the situation. My parents wood have been pissed if they were actually teaching Jesus in my school.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,728
@previous (Syntax)
Well it is not as bad as it sounds to be honest. It is not like a priest stepped into school and warned us about hell. Instead it was more about the moral of stories and how forgiveness is important.
The books would be filled with art work that would feel amazing to look at.
Well it is not as bad as it sounds to be honest. It is not like a priest stepped into school and warned us about hell. Instead it was more about the moral of stories and how forgiveness is important.
The books would be filled with art work that would feel amazing to look at.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 54 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,729
@545,670 (Syntax)
> So having no clue how far this state sponsorship goes I hit wiki
>
>
> Affiliation by religious movement (1 January 2014)
>
> Church of Iceland
>
> 75%
> Other Christian
>
> 12%
> Other and not specified
>
> 6%
> Unaffiliated
>
> 5%
> Germanic neopaganism
>
> 0.7%
> Buddhism
>
> 0.4%
> Islam
>
> 0.3%
> Bahá'í Faith
>
> 0.1%
>
> Icelanders have freedom of religion under the constitution of Iceland, though the Church of Iceland, a Lutheran body, is the state church. The Registers Iceland keeps account of the religious affiliation of every Icelandic citizen. In 2014, Icelanders were divided into religious groups as follows:
>
> 75% members of the Church of Iceland.
> 12% members of some other Christian denomination.
> 6.4% other and not specified
> 5.3% unaffiliated
> 1.5% members of non-Christian denomination.
>
> Iceland is a very secular country: as with other Nordic nations, religious attendance is relatively low. The above statistics represent administrative membership of religious organisations, which does not necessarily reflect the belief demographics of the population of Iceland. According to a study published in 2001, 23% of the inhabitants are either atheist or agnostic. A Gallup poll conducted in 2012 found that 57% of Icelanders considered themselves "a religious person", 31% consider themselves "a non religious person", while 10% define themselves as "a convinced atheist", placing Iceland among the top 10 atheist populations in the world.
>
> So Iceland dude Exactly wot is the problem?
say, r04r, werent you going to ban syntax if he didnt stop with the wiki bullshit?
> So having no clue how far this state sponsorship goes I hit wiki
>
>
> Affiliation by religious movement (1 January 2014)
>
> Church of Iceland
>
> 75%
> Other Christian
>
> 12%
> Other and not specified
>
> 6%
> Unaffiliated
>
> 5%
> Germanic neopaganism
>
> 0.7%
> Buddhism
>
> 0.4%
> Islam
>
> 0.3%
> Bahá'í Faith
>
> 0.1%
>
> Icelanders have freedom of religion under the constitution of Iceland, though the Church of Iceland, a Lutheran body, is the state church. The Registers Iceland keeps account of the religious affiliation of every Icelandic citizen. In 2014, Icelanders were divided into religious groups as follows:
>
> 75% members of the Church of Iceland.
> 12% members of some other Christian denomination.
> 6.4% other and not specified
> 5.3% unaffiliated
> 1.5% members of non-Christian denomination.
>
> Iceland is a very secular country: as with other Nordic nations, religious attendance is relatively low. The above statistics represent administrative membership of religious organisations, which does not necessarily reflect the belief demographics of the population of Iceland. According to a study published in 2001, 23% of the inhabitants are either atheist or agnostic. A Gallup poll conducted in 2012 found that 57% of Icelanders considered themselves "a religious person", 31% consider themselves "a non religious person", while 10% define themselves as "a convinced atheist", placing Iceland among the top 10 atheist populations in the world.
>
> So Iceland dude Exactly wot is the problem?
say, r04r, werent you going to ban syntax if he didnt stop with the wiki bullshit?
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 28 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,730
@545,728 (A)
With so few attending Church it sure looks like the education system is not exactly a funnel of any real value for the church as a whole.
With so few attending Church it sure looks like the education system is not exactly a funnel of any real value for the church as a whole.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,732
@previous (Syntax)
Perhaps not, but it can't be denied that children are exposed to indoctrination that isn't even known to the rest of the world.
Perhaps not, but it can't be denied that children are exposed to indoctrination that isn't even known to the rest of the world.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,753
Anddddddddd I wood like to add that I, yes I, have nigger cum n my anus.
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 19 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,757
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 39 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,766
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,767
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,769
@previous (J)
It means there is someone who is gay as well as a racist who pretends to be me and posts as such.
Since I do not use a trip code they can as they wish. I just make it clear they are faggot and racist n me not
It means there is someone who is gay as well as a racist who pretends to be me and posts as such.
Since I do not use a trip code they can as they wish. I just make it clear they are faggot and racist n me not
Anonymous J replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,770
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 32 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,775
@previous (J)
Could be for one of 100 reasons and mostly jealously.
I simply use a reaction image to counter yet recently others do if for me LoL
On TC there may be 4 reaction images to counter his sad attempt to slander me
Could be for one of 100 reasons and mostly jealously.
I simply use a reaction image to counter yet recently others do if for me LoL
On TC there may be 4 reaction images to counter his sad attempt to slander me
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,776
@previous (Syntax)
That kind of attention seems pathological. Do you fear that your critics are as insane as they sound like? Those types of people will show up when you least suspect them and they will inflict damage.
That kind of attention seems pathological. Do you fear that your critics are as insane as they sound like? Those types of people will show up when you least suspect them and they will inflict damage.
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,777
@previous (K)You mean like death threats? I surf ever day and sharks are in the water. If I can live with a chance of being dinner for a shark I think I can brush off such pathology.
Anonymous K replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,778
@previous (Syntax)
Sharks are nothing compared to the minds of these degenerate times. Sharks could injure you or even kill you but the people stalking you who also hate you, they will hurt you in ways that even suicide can't repair.
Sharks are nothing compared to the minds of these degenerate times. Sharks could injure you or even kill you but the people stalking you who also hate you, they will hurt you in ways that even suicide can't repair.
Syntax replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,779
@previous (K)
Been on net since dial up days of like 300 bits per second. Admit to even pushing a few to make death threats. Also because I go to a huge number of festivals and publish in advance my plans its not impossible to find me and on occasions people have stopped me to say hello and tell me who they b. I figure if someone is going to stalk me in person - as they reach out to do harm they will trip and fall over and break their neck but I will have moved on and not even been aware of close harm.
Worst case as they reach out and I see them I offer to buy them a beer and some quality street food and the beast in them will calm down for at least the free beer and food
Been on net since dial up days of like 300 bits per second. Admit to even pushing a few to make death threats. Also because I go to a huge number of festivals and publish in advance my plans its not impossible to find me and on occasions people have stopped me to say hello and tell me who they b. I figure if someone is going to stalk me in person - as they reach out to do harm they will trip and fall over and break their neck but I will have moved on and not even been aware of close harm.
Worst case as they reach out and I see them I offer to buy them a beer and some quality street food and the beast in them will calm down for at least the free beer and food
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,781
Anonymous K replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,782
Anonymous K double-posted this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,783
Anonymous K triple-posted this 11 years ago, 18 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,786
@previous (K)
Like, killing people would be foolish. But what i am saying is that sometimes you get yourself in places where you think that is the only option even though it aint. So i guess i mean is that be careful.
Like, killing people would be foolish. But what i am saying is that sometimes you get yourself in places where you think that is the only option even though it aint. So i guess i mean is that be careful.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 6 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,832
@545,719 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)Wow, you're perceptive.
They just swap sometimes, why they do that hasn't been explained yet. gif related.
The Owl !KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,858
"I have a strange claim and to prove it, here is some unfounded speculation about what a hypothetical soldier may think when deserting his hypothetical war"
OP why would your soldier comfort himself by saying that others will continue the fight if he no longer believes in said war? Other people continuing the fight would be the last thing he would want. In fact it's totally unreasonable to think that your deserting soldier would think through that paradigm. They'd more likely justify it either by saying that it's best for them personally, or by saying that the war is unethical and that by deserting he is doing the right thing by choosing not to partake.
Also why would atheists have an interest in convincing priests that they aren't needed for Christianity to function? Why would they have an interest in structuring a religion they don't believe in so that it might be sustained after the loss of the priests, which the atheists apparently caused?
OP why would your soldier comfort himself by saying that others will continue the fight if he no longer believes in said war? Other people continuing the fight would be the last thing he would want. In fact it's totally unreasonable to think that your deserting soldier would think through that paradigm. They'd more likely justify it either by saying that it's best for them personally, or by saying that the war is unethical and that by deserting he is doing the right thing by choosing not to partake.
Also why would atheists have an interest in convincing priests that they aren't needed for Christianity to function? Why would they have an interest in structuring a religion they don't believe in so that it might be sustained after the loss of the priests, which the atheists apparently caused?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #545,860
@previous (The Owl !KThEOwLwbU)
I find it's better not to take Iceland guy too seriously. He can have some pretty unusual thought processes.
I find it's better not to take Iceland guy too seriously. He can have some pretty unusual thought processes.