Topic: The UK is sending more troops to the Falklands
Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago #40,691
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/11491135/Britain-to-increase-Falklands-garrison.html
I for one am glad to see this. The region needs stability. What do you think?
I for one am glad to see this. The region needs stability. What do you think?
Green joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later[^] [v] #541,937
They must have read the minichan fanfic!
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #541,947
Kirchner is batshit crazy, better safe than sorry.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #541,948
One can only pray that Argentina consider more then a meager force of 12 long range Russian bombers.
The remains of the imbedded British Umpire, must be blown to bits to eliminate such invasive elements from Argentina soil.
The remains of the imbedded British Umpire, must be blown to bits to eliminate such invasive elements from Argentina soil.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #541,949
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #541,968
Isn't that something the UK does whenever it starts to feel insecure about losing its empire like a little bitch?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #541,969
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paging syntax for shitposts
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #541,979
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Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #541,989
@previous (H)
What is really shitty about the issue. In Nigeria children have been captured in large numbers as chattel. Syria and so many other places. UK instead of helping - sends troop to hide in the Falklands.
The world as a whole is so much safer as a result.
What is really shitty about the issue. In Nigeria children have been captured in large numbers as chattel. Syria and so many other places. UK instead of helping - sends troop to hide in the Falklands.
The world as a whole is so much safer as a result.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #541,992
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 11 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #542,116
@541,989 (D)
You think that more soldiers killing more people is a good solution? Yeah, fuck those soldiers in the Falklands that aren't dying enough
You think that more soldiers killing more people is a good solution? Yeah, fuck those soldiers in the Falklands that aren't dying enough
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,163
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,167
@542,116 (J)
> You think that more soldiers killing more people is a good solution?
Of course not. On the other hand thieves must be dealt with.
Add to this - Argentina is spending a lot of cold hard cash to lease long range Russian bombers.
Pilots will need practice and a place to bomb. Argentina owns an Island. Its up to them how they use their own property.
> You think that more soldiers killing more people is a good solution?
Of course not. On the other hand thieves must be dealt with.
Add to this - Argentina is spending a lot of cold hard cash to lease long range Russian bombers.
Pilots will need practice and a place to bomb. Argentina owns an Island. Its up to them how they use their own property.
Anonymous K replied with this 11 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,169
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,171
@previous (K)
A small reminder. Once upon a time British Umpire owned lands of USA. India Pakistan & lots of Islands...A very long list of Planet Earth. They did this with rape and pillage of parts of Planet Earth.
They tell everyone they currently own: (All acquired by Rape and Pillage:
Anguilla, Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory, British Indian Ocean territory, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena (Ascension and Tristan da Cunha), South Georgia (and the South Sandwich Islands), Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia and Coat of arms of the Turks and Caicos Islands.svg Turks and Caicos Islands
They even owned a Queen/King ...Now relegated equal to a Disneyland attraction.
One can argue all day/nite about the British Umpire. Everyone knows ownership is transitory. USA simple said fuck it to Tea and converted to coffee. A few died in this conversion and all is so much more better now.
A small reminder. Once upon a time British Umpire owned lands of USA. India Pakistan & lots of Islands...A very long list of Planet Earth. They did this with rape and pillage of parts of Planet Earth.
They tell everyone they currently own: (All acquired by Rape and Pillage:
Anguilla, Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory, British Indian Ocean territory, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena (Ascension and Tristan da Cunha), South Georgia (and the South Sandwich Islands), Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia and Coat of arms of the Turks and Caicos Islands.svg Turks and Caicos Islands
They even owned a Queen/King ...Now relegated equal to a Disneyland attraction.
One can argue all day/nite about the British Umpire. Everyone knows ownership is transitory. USA simple said fuck it to Tea and converted to coffee. A few died in this conversion and all is so much more better now.
Anonymous K replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,172
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,180
@542,171 (D)
Syntax, Argentina never owned that island. That the British took it with imperialism doesn't give Argentina a claim upon it.
Syntax, Argentina never owned that island. That the British took it with imperialism doesn't give Argentina a claim upon it.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,184
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Web history says.
> At various times, the islands have had French, British, Spanish, and Argentine settlements.
> That the British took it with imperialism
To support British ownership after Rape and Pillage is your rite of passage. ISSI wants to return all of North Africa to 6th Century Islamic rules.
Web history says.
> At various times, the islands have had French, British, Spanish, and Argentine settlements.
> That the British took it with imperialism
To support British ownership after Rape and Pillage is your rite of passage. ISSI wants to return all of North Africa to 6th Century Islamic rules.
Anonymous K replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,186
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,207
@542,184 (D)
Let's read a bit closer into history. That Argentinian settlement you refer to came about after Argentina approached a settler called Luis Vernet (who had previously been working with the British government) and made him Governor of the the islands for Argentina. Before that point, the islands had been more or less uninhabited but were still claimed by Britain. So Argentina just came in and took it, effectively. After Britain forcibly reclaimed it, Argentina gave up their claim anyway with the 1850 Convention of Settlement treaty.
Oh, also, the French were actually the first to establish a permanent settlement on the islands. So Britain pretty much just fought other imperial powers over the island.
> To support British ownership after Rape and Pillage is your rite of passage.
If that's how you feel about things, then do you support the USA's taking of native American lands? Some of those were also taken through force or underhand means. Does that mean that you too support "rape and pillage", by your own logic?
Or... We could accept that while the actions of past governments were immoral, they've resulted in present situations where we have populations who have now lived in places for generations, and that forcibly evicting such people now would be equally immoral.
Let's read a bit closer into history. That Argentinian settlement you refer to came about after Argentina approached a settler called Luis Vernet (who had previously been working with the British government) and made him Governor of the the islands for Argentina. Before that point, the islands had been more or less uninhabited but were still claimed by Britain. So Argentina just came in and took it, effectively. After Britain forcibly reclaimed it, Argentina gave up their claim anyway with the 1850 Convention of Settlement treaty.
Oh, also, the French were actually the first to establish a permanent settlement on the islands. So Britain pretty much just fought other imperial powers over the island.
> To support British ownership after Rape and Pillage is your rite of passage.
If that's how you feel about things, then do you support the USA's taking of native American lands? Some of those were also taken through force or underhand means. Does that mean that you too support "rape and pillage", by your own logic?
Or... We could accept that while the actions of past governments were immoral, they've resulted in present situations where we have populations who have now lived in places for generations, and that forcibly evicting such people now would be equally immoral.
The cat joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 47 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,214
@542,171 (D)
> USA simple said fuck it to Tea and converted to coffee. A few died in this conversion and all is so much more better now
I had a seizure converting to coffee, tea withdrawal's harsh haha nah never liked tea, probably makes me guilty of treason under some obscure law.
> USA simple said fuck it to Tea and converted to coffee. A few died in this conversion and all is so much more better now
I had a seizure converting to coffee, tea withdrawal's harsh haha nah never liked tea, probably makes me guilty of treason under some obscure law.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,215
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,217
@542,207 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> If that's how you feel about things, then do you support the USA's taking of native American lands? Some of those were also taken through force or underhand means. Does that mean that you too support "rape and pillage", by your own logic?
I thought I had made it clear in past posts. USA including recent history. They invaded Iraq with so called intelligence. Weapons of mass destruction did not exist and they took out a very very bad man aka Saddam. Saddam kept things stable and now its a horrid mess. USA does some terrible things. Gets it wrong OFTEN
Bottom line is - I am not a My country rite or rong kinda person. USA needs to make Puerto Rico a state or turn the place over to the natives.
USA Taking of Native American Lands is/was so very very very WRONG. At least here in California with Natives allowed to run profitable Casinos for which many exist in San Diego County - Indians now have some solid cash flow. The reservations they still live on are on land no one wanted and it remains a place no one really wants to live on.
> Or... We could accept that while the actions of past governments were immoral, they've resulted in present situations where we have populations who have now lived in places for generations, and that forcibly evicting such people now would be equally immoral.
Don't think you can find my saying Brits who live in Falklands should be evicted. They wood make most excellent Argentina Citizens. Much like those who are currently on Rock of Gibraltar wood make most excellent Spanish citizens. USA also took capture of Islands during WW2 Which should be returned to Natives.
> If that's how you feel about things, then do you support the USA's taking of native American lands? Some of those were also taken through force or underhand means. Does that mean that you too support "rape and pillage", by your own logic?
I thought I had made it clear in past posts. USA including recent history. They invaded Iraq with so called intelligence. Weapons of mass destruction did not exist and they took out a very very bad man aka Saddam. Saddam kept things stable and now its a horrid mess. USA does some terrible things. Gets it wrong OFTEN
Bottom line is - I am not a My country rite or rong kinda person. USA needs to make Puerto Rico a state or turn the place over to the natives.
USA Taking of Native American Lands is/was so very very very WRONG. At least here in California with Natives allowed to run profitable Casinos for which many exist in San Diego County - Indians now have some solid cash flow. The reservations they still live on are on land no one wanted and it remains a place no one really wants to live on.
> Or... We could accept that while the actions of past governments were immoral, they've resulted in present situations where we have populations who have now lived in places for generations, and that forcibly evicting such people now would be equally immoral.
Don't think you can find my saying Brits who live in Falklands should be evicted. They wood make most excellent Argentina Citizens. Much like those who are currently on Rock of Gibraltar wood make most excellent Spanish citizens. USA also took capture of Islands during WW2 Which should be returned to Natives.
Anonymous K replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,219
@previous (D)
> USA also took capture of Islands during WW2 Which should be returned to Natives.
Incoherent senile waffle. By your logic the entire continent of North America should be "returned to Natives".
> USA also took capture of Islands during WW2 Which should be returned to Natives.
Incoherent senile waffle. By your logic the entire continent of North America should be "returned to Natives".
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,220
@previous (K)Not practical. However acknowledgment of wrongs and reparations are.
Look at this Map and justify Great Britannia hold on Falklands.
Anonymous K replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,221
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,224
@542,217 (D)
Okay then, it's good you're not saying they should be kicked out. But neither would they make "good Argentinian citizens", because they voted they didn't want to be. They want to be British. Which isn't surprising, since Argentina haven't exactly endeared themselves to the islanders.
@542,220 (D)
Distance isn't a valid reason to claim ownership of something. And it can be justified with the fact that the people there want to be British, and that the UK has the most valid claim on the island.
Okay then, it's good you're not saying they should be kicked out. But neither would they make "good Argentinian citizens", because they voted they didn't want to be. They want to be British. Which isn't surprising, since Argentina haven't exactly endeared themselves to the islanders.
@542,220 (D)
Distance isn't a valid reason to claim ownership of something. And it can be justified with the fact that the people there want to be British, and that the UK has the most valid claim on the island.
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Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,226
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
There were British transported by the Brits to stake a claim.
Hong Kong wood still be British if a vote was allowed. Such was not the case.
So honestly why as a Brit citizen do you want to hold on to Gibraltar or the Falklands?
There were British transported by the Brits to stake a claim.
Hong Kong wood still be British if a vote was allowed. Such was not the case.
So honestly why as a Brit citizen do you want to hold on to Gibraltar or the Falklands?
Metæ joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,227
I'm no expert on UKEnglish imperialism, so could someone tell me why Britain holds onto these so tenaciously? Wouldn't it be cheaper to evacuate the 1500-ish British back home and sell the islands to Argentina? It seems like spending all this money on defending these remote tiny islands is senseless.
Do they have oil or diamonds or something?
Do they have oil or diamonds or something?
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,229
@previous (Metæ)
OIL
Huge amounts offshore ready for drilling.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/02/oil-and-gas-falklands
OIL
Huge amounts offshore ready for drilling.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/02/oil-and-gas-falklands
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,230
@542,226 (D)
As I said, Argentina did exactly that when they first went for the island. The only difference is that they did so whilst the islands were still claimed by somebody else. By your logic. The Argentinians are no better. Just more imperialists.
And I think it should stay British because the people who have lives there want to remain so.
@542,227 (Metæ)
They do have oil, actually. But this all kicked off beforehand.
As to why we don't just sell it, well, Argentina tried to seize the islands by force not too long ago. We beat them off, because we can't really just let a foreign power invade our territory on a whim. And after that, there'd probably be outrage if the government just sold the islands off to the Argies.
But also oil.
As I said, Argentina did exactly that when they first went for the island. The only difference is that they did so whilst the islands were still claimed by somebody else. By your logic. The Argentinians are no better. Just more imperialists.
And I think it should stay British because the people who have lives there want to remain so.
@542,227 (Metæ)
They do have oil, actually. But this all kicked off beforehand.
As to why we don't just sell it, well, Argentina tried to seize the islands by force not too long ago. We beat them off, because we can't really just let a foreign power invade our territory on a whim. And after that, there'd probably be outrage if the government just sold the islands off to the Argies.
But also oil.
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Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,232
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
By your logic the troubles in Ireland wood have been over in a flash because those wanting to split from UK in a simple vote would have it their way and nothing of value wood have been lost.
By your logic the troubles in Ireland wood have been over in a flash because those wanting to split from UK in a simple vote would have it their way and nothing of value wood have been lost.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,233
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,234
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You said re Falkland Citizens
> They want to be British.
The Catholic Irish wanted to be Irish and end the occupation. So yes its relevant.
I am not clear on how the Scottish were given the right to vote yet the Catholics in Ireland not.
You said re Falkland Citizens
> They want to be British.
The Catholic Irish wanted to be Irish and end the occupation. So yes its relevant.
I am not clear on how the Scottish were given the right to vote yet the Catholics in Ireland not.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,235
@previous (D)
Oh. I Didn't say I disagreed with the Irish being allowed to vote.
So we are agreed then, the Falklands should remain British. I am glad we've finally sorted this.
Oh. I Didn't say I disagreed with the Irish being allowed to vote.
So we are agreed then, the Falklands should remain British. I am glad we've finally sorted this.
Anonymous C replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,238
@542,224 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> And it can be justified with the fact that the people there want to be British, and that the UK has the most valid claim on the island.
Because they imported british citizens to the island while kicking the argies out. Of ocurse they want to be british, they eliminated any opposition.
> And it can be justified with the fact that the people there want to be British, and that the UK has the most valid claim on the island.
Because they imported british citizens to the island while kicking the argies out. Of ocurse they want to be british, they eliminated any opposition.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,240
@542,235 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Nice try - Irish next door neighbors and we agree they should be a country of their own.
@previous (C)
Yes as in a card game if the deck is loaded the game is going to be rigged.
Nice try - Irish next door neighbors and we agree they should be a country of their own.
@previous (C)
Yes as in a card game if the deck is loaded the game is going to be rigged.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,285
@542,238 (C)
...And the Argies imported citizens before that, while the island was still claimed by the British. We've already been over this.
@previous (D)
Still irrelevant. Whatever the situation in Ireland, the situation with the Faklands is clear-cut.
Unless you have anything further to say about the Falklands specifically, I rest my case.
...And the Argies imported citizens before that, while the island was still claimed by the British. We've already been over this.
@previous (D)
Still irrelevant. Whatever the situation in Ireland, the situation with the Faklands is clear-cut.
Unless you have anything further to say about the Falklands specifically, I rest my case.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,288
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,293
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,294
@542,285 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)KL I consider you a level headed UK dude who means well. And your replies have been respectful on this subject. You are honest to say the take over really is UK Imperialism.
I did a quick search for a Map of UK vs California for comparison. Considering how Great Britain along with France Spain Italy Portugal - Each fought tooth and nail to dominate Planet Earth.
So now in general terms UK is on a quest as with Scotland to hold on to future major oil reserves. Falklands is UK's best bet for a world class ocean grab of Oil.
UK is now a postage stamp size by comparison to wot it once was. Holding on to the Rock of Gibraltar? Where is the common sense in that?
Oh and if anyone dares think I am trying to put down UK on basis of compare to California. Least it be forgotten USA owns Calif New Mexico and Texas on the basis of a War. France at least sold land to USA just like Russia did for USA to take over Alaska.
Mexico is getting back at loss of the war by internal Latinos growing in mass - One day when they learn to vote then They will own the states again.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,295
@previous (D)
To be fair, we were holding onto it before the oil was discovered, IIRC. I absolutely agree that the oil is now a factor in the UK being there, but it's not the only one.
To be fair, we were holding onto it before the oil was discovered, IIRC. I absolutely agree that the oil is now a factor in the UK being there, but it's not the only one.
Anonymous P replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,297
@542,293 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
The situation in Ireland is the precedent. Please look into it.
The situation in Ireland is the precedent. Please look into it.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,298
@542,295 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> To be fair, we were holding onto it before the oil was discovered,
True and based on cost of holding on vs wot everyone knows will end up again in a bloody war. Spending cold hard cash for 12 Russian long range bombers is a very expensive move on Argentina part.
I should point out California GDP California 1,958,904 vs UK United Kingdom 2,475,782 2012 numbers. with amounts in USA dollars. Calif is fighting to hold on to water and is making it hard on oil producers. UK now as small as it is - fighting to have some relevance in world economy so it seems that is Oil and not much more.
At least we both agree its all about Imperialism and Oil. Ok sure and the fact that current population Brits planted on Falklands did vote to remain Brits. Everyone I know agrees blood will again flow.
> To be fair, we were holding onto it before the oil was discovered,
True and based on cost of holding on vs wot everyone knows will end up again in a bloody war. Spending cold hard cash for 12 Russian long range bombers is a very expensive move on Argentina part.
I should point out California GDP California 1,958,904 vs UK United Kingdom 2,475,782 2012 numbers. with amounts in USA dollars. Calif is fighting to hold on to water and is making it hard on oil producers. UK now as small as it is - fighting to have some relevance in world economy so it seems that is Oil and not much more.
At least we both agree its all about Imperialism and Oil. Ok sure and the fact that current population Brits planted on Falklands did vote to remain Brits. Everyone I know agrees blood will again flow.
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,302
@542,294 (D)
> a Map of UK vs California for comparison
That's an outline of British Colombia not California.
> a Map of UK vs California for comparison
That's an outline of British Colombia not California.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,304
@previous (Q)Damn I GOOFED - Thanks for the catch and correction
In rush to join friends down on the beach so let me leave you with UK vs Texas instead
See ya all tomorrow
Anonymous Q replied with this 11 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #542,305
@previous (D)No worries. As a Californian, I've been seeing the outline of California pretty much all my life, and I can quickly spot things that are not California. Being fond of geography, it was pretty hard not to notice the sudden addition of Vancouver Island to the San Diego area. If you happen to spot Vancouver Island while down at the beach, let us know.
In the meantime, here is a map of British Columbia vs. California.
@542,302 (Q)
> Colombia
Yeah, I know. I have no idea. Sometimes my fingers just decide how things are spelled, and the spellcheck just doesn't complain in time.
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